Lutheran (LCMS) Ping!
Alleluia! Christ is Risen!
Posted on 05/22/2014 7:53:21 PM PDT by lightman
Pr. Speckhard is one of the few persons--other than FReepers--to connect the dots of acceptance of ABC with acceptance of the gaysbian agenda.
Alleluia! Christ is Risen!
Ping.
Ping.
What he writes about can apply to most other denominations as well.
Namely, how will churches continue to define marriage as a man and a woman, when the dominant culture says marriage is just any 2 people? Or in the future, sanctions polygamy and group marriage? More liberal members of all denominations will come to accept homosexual marriage as part of the mainstream culture, and perhaps push for it within their churches. They may be voted down, however, this issue has the potential to cause upheaval down the road.
I also want to see if homosexuals start suing churches over the marriage issue. Having gotten civil marriage rights, will they then continue their lawsuits, this time to force religions to accept homosexual marriage, or else lose the right to perform marriages at all, or lost tax exempt status due to “discrimination”. We don’t know if the LGBT peoples will let it go, or continue to steamroller this issue through courts, this time with the target all of organized religion.
“Namely, how will churches continue to define marriage as a man and a woman, when the dominant culture says marriage is just any 2 people”.
The Catholic Church does not change it’s doctrine on what’s the “dominate culture”. The Catholic Church safeguards the truth. Marriage is a sacramental union of a man and woman, so says God. That is not changing. At least in the Catholic Church.
He is risen indeed! Hallelujah!
“Pr. Speckhard is one of the few persons—other than FReepers—to connect the dots of acceptance of ABC with acceptance of the gaysbian agenda.”
Every non-Catholic Christian who rejects it that I have found is invariably very conservative. On the other hand try to find one person of any faith who accepts abortion, ‘gay marriage’, or female clergy but who also thinks bc within marriage is wrong.
Civil divorce and remarriage or at least easy civil divorce and remarriage also is a big contributor. That one conditioned a lot of folks that the state defines marriage and can change it to anything at all if judges, pols, or 50%+1 of the voting public agree it should be changed at any one time.
Freegards
All points on the slippery slope which will inevitably lead to “acceptance” of infanticide, euthanasia, plural “marriage”, and pederasty.
Thank you for referencing that article lightman. Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.
To begn with, why is Rev. Peter Speckhard waving the white flag at the gay agenda?
The consequence of many generations of parents not making sure that their children are being taught how constitutionally enumerated rights and 10th Amendment-protected state powers work is the following. Many patriots unsurprisingly do not know the Constitution well enough to stop pro-gay activist judges from legislating gay rights from the bench.
More specifically, PC, pro-gay interpretations of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protections Clause aside, not only have the states never amended the Constitution to specifically protect gay "rights," but the Constitution's silence about such rights also means this. The states are free to make laws which discriminate against constitutionally unprotected gay agenda issues like gay marriage, as long as such laws don't unreasonably abridge constitutionally enumerated rights.
In fact, note that the Supreme Court case of Minor v. Happersett shows the following. Virginia Minor basically argued that her citizenship and the Equal Protections Clause of the then recently ratified 14th Amendment gave her the right to vote regardless that she was a woman. But the Court argued that wasn't so because 14A didn't add any new rights to the Constitution, it only strengthed constitutionally enumerated rights.
“3. The right of suffrage was not necessarily one of the privileges or immunities of citizenship before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, and that amendment does not add to these privileges and immunities. It simply furnishes additional guaranty for the protection of such as the citizen already had [emphasis added].” —Minor v. Happersett, 1874.
And since woman suffrage wasn't a constitutionally enumerated right before the 14th Amendment was ratified, neither was it a right after its ratification.
Note that Virginia Minor's efforts did not go unrewarded. This is because her case inspired the states to ratify the 19th Amendment which effectively gave women the right to vote.
On the other hand, it remains that PC gay rights remain constitutionally unprotected.
Finally, a way for patriots to fight judicial activism is the following. Citizens need to work with state and federal lawmakers to make punitive laws which require all judges to promptly, clearly and publicly specify all constitutional clauses which justify their decisions. And when the Constitution is silent on a certain issue, such as gay marriage, such laws should also require judges to state that the issue is a unique, 10th Amendment-protected state issue.
Female clergy is another big one. One thing I wonder about is there any faith group that hadn’t accepted bc within marriage but accepted female clergy?
Now, for sure there are groups that have accepted bc within marriage that might never accept female clergy, but did any that did accept female clergy do so before they accepted bc within marriage?
Freegards
“To begin with, why is Rev. Peter Speckhard waving the white flag at the gay agenda?”
I didn’t get that from the article. Where does he say we shouldn’t fight? Unless you think that his predictions for the LCMS aren’t honest? I mean I don’t think someone who bothers to write an article like that is suddenly going to accept ‘gay marriage,’ no matter what the LCMS does or doesn’t do.
Freegards
The reason we are opposed to "homosexual" marriage is because it is a deadly proposition!
As long as we're not subjected to "pastoral" acceptance of homo sex.
How are they connected? Last time I checked, Leviticus 18 only addressed one of these two issues.
His discussion of religious schools raises many interesting issues.
Of course, just like any other unrepentant sin.
Of course, just like any other unrepentant sin.
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What does that translate to?
When Nancy Pelosi (supposedly a Catholic) supported abortion she was DENIED Holy Communion. That was HUGE. I've never seen that done before and kudos to the priest who denied it to her.
So what is the punitive action for a LCMS member?
Excommunication, denial of the Sacrament. Pelosi has managed to get back to the Table even at the Vatican. If the unrepentant sin is known, the denial of the Sacrament should be in force in Synod congregations.
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