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How Can Protestants Be Saved?
http://www.thecatholicthing.org ^ | May 9, 2014 | Howard Kainz

Posted on 05/24/2014 8:26:44 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

When I, a “cradle Catholic,” am accosted by a “born again” Christian, and asked whether I am “saved,” my thoughts usually go to St. Paul’s frequent admonitions to work out your salvation in “fear and trembling.” Even St. Paul, after having been raised to the “seventh heaven,” felt it necessary to chastise his body, lest he become a castaway. (1Cor. 9:27)

The conviction that one is “saved” may be the result of a powerful religious experience. (Catholics have those too!) But people sometimes interpret it like Freud, as something psychological, or just some friendly divine encouragement to keep trying, or perhaps as a sign of God’s mercy in spite of one’s sins.

Personally, I am convinced that, if two-thirds of the angels, who never had to suffer, and had clear insight into what would happen if they rebelled, were saved (Rev. 12:4) – certainly at least that percentage or more of us humans, working our way with limited vision through suffering and often messy lives and bad choices, will be saved. Of course, I try to stand clear of the “universal salvation” heresy of Origen and others, condemned at the Council of Constantinople in 543.

That said, it seems to me that Protestants are really missing out on the multiform assistance that the Church could provide, if they were open to it.

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"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves" ~ John 6:53
1 posted on 05/24/2014 8:26:44 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Most Protestant denominations that I’m aware of have communion with the body & blood.


2 posted on 05/24/2014 8:30:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: NKP_Vet

John 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”


3 posted on 05/24/2014 8:33:00 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

But I don’t think they believe in the Real Presence, as in the bread and wine actually becoming the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus.


4 posted on 05/24/2014 8:34:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

that’s not what people asked the apostles. they asked how they could be saved. and the answer was not you have to be a roman catholic.


5 posted on 05/24/2014 8:36:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Awful broad brush you’re holding there. I’ll bet not every Catholic believes or even knows of that. So, in your opinion, belief in transubstantiation is the ticket to salvation?


6 posted on 05/24/2014 8:36:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: NKP_Vet

That’s probably because such a belief is absolute nonsense.


7 posted on 05/24/2014 8:36:49 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

It is also abhorrent to God.


8 posted on 05/24/2014 8:41:05 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Well......Bye.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Most Protestant denominations that I’m aware of have communion with the body & blood.”

Actually exactly none of them do.

1) The vast majority don’t believe they do.
2) None of them can - for they have no sacrificial priesthood from Christ.


9 posted on 05/24/2014 8:41:16 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: tumblindice
The thief on the cross beside Jesus was saved. Nowhere is it recorded whether he died before of after Christ. Anyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. The church has zero to do with it.
10 posted on 05/24/2014 8:42:02 PM PDT by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Except God gave it to us.


11 posted on 05/24/2014 8:42:07 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Jesus Christ is my high priest.

Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

12 posted on 05/24/2014 8:44:09 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man

Exactly right.


13 posted on 05/24/2014 8:47:11 PM PDT by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: NKP_Vet
'Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.'
14 posted on 05/24/2014 8:49:16 PM PDT by virgil283 (That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved (Acts 16:31).

if you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved (Rom 10:9).

For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God (Eph 2:8).

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us (Titus 3:5).

whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved (Acts 2:21; Rom 10:13).

15 posted on 05/24/2014 8:49:22 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

Enough said!! Nothing else is necessary.


16 posted on 05/24/2014 8:52:13 PM PDT by shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)
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To: PapaNew
ditto that.

Jesus is my savior....the rest is fluff and noise.

17 posted on 05/24/2014 8:56:04 PM PDT by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: NKP_Vet

Some Protestants (Anglicans, Lutherans ) believe in the Real Presence, but not as it is understood in the doctrine of transsubstantiation. That is different from other Protestants who regard the Lord’s Supper as a spiritual communion or purely symbolic. One point of contention between Luther and Calvin was on that issue. Luther insisted that “This is my body...This is my blood” meant exactly that.


18 posted on 05/24/2014 8:57:24 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: shankbear

The Romans didn’t execute common criminals by that method.
Crucifixion was reserved for crimes against Rome. So it is highly unlikely that Jesus was flanked on Cavalry by thieves.

You know, I suppose I could have been charged with heresy and burned for saying such things not too very long ago, or at least flogged. But that was then and this is now.
Today, you may not have enough self-respect to control yourself by not making outlandish statements—such as that Welch’s grape juice and unsalted crackers actually become flesh & blood—but if you do, you’ve got to expect to be called on it by those of us who do have some respect for ourselves and the truth.


19 posted on 05/24/2014 8:57:47 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: shankbear
Jesus did all the heavy lifting. It's probably the easiest thing in the world to be saved. Nevertheless, "no man comes to [Jesus] except the Father draw him" (John 6:44). We're so very fortunate.
20 posted on 05/24/2014 8:57:49 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: NKP_Vet

As a PS, believe what you want to believe, NKP. Just don’t be too shocked if a lot of other people fail to agree with you.
This raises an interesting point, for later discussion I suppose: different religions, certainly Christian, Jewish and Muslim, make one another non-believers.
But even within Christianity, different strongly held beliefs make us atheists, in one sense of the word, to one another.
If you follow what I’m saying, two people holding contradictory opinions on a specific issue cannot both be right. So one is in error, or both, but both cannot be right.


21 posted on 05/24/2014 9:06:31 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: NKP_Vet
Tsk, tsk, poking the beehive again???

First of all, Protestantism is essentially a religion based on a book – i.e., over 30,000 often-incompatible interpretations of the Bible – a Bible compiled by the councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage in the fourth century, and confirmed by Pope Siricius. Unfortunately, in many Protestant versions, parts of the Bible are missing – e.g. the epistle of James, who emphasized (to Luther’s dismay) that faith without works was empty, and the book of Maccabees, which supports the doctrine of Purgatory. (It would certainly be helpful to Protestants if, somewhere in the Bible, it were declared that the Christian religion should be based on sola scriptura.)

First of all, I know a retaliation thread when I see one. That paragraph alone should tell you this blogger is not the religious expert he imagines himself to be. He bases his article on straw men and then gleefully ignites them!

Protestant denominations that have ritual commemorations of the Lord’s Supper (not just coffee and doughnuts, or grape juice and wafers), but, following the path of the Protestant reformers, deny the Catholic doctrine of the Real Presence, end up at most with what Catholics who do not receive communion at Mass sometimes call a “spiritual communion.” But they are missing what Catholics, if they are properly prepared, experience in receiving the substantial body and blood of the Redeemer and allowing him to operate as He wishes in the secret recesses of their souls.

Pretty sad that he only gets worse the more one reads his post. Yes, ANYONE can be saved who receives Jesus Christ as Savior and believes on Him. One doesn't HAVE to be a Roman Catholic church member, either, in order to receive the gift of eternal life by the grace of God THROUGH faith.

I'm surprised at you, NKP_Vet, I thought you told me you were done with posting provocative, Protestant-bashing threads. Didn't you learn your lesson from the last time?

22 posted on 05/24/2014 9:08:08 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: ZinGirl
What come next (once we're saved) is utterly amazing.

As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord [by grace], so walk in him (Col 2:6).

And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come [starting now] he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus (Eph 2:6-7).

23 posted on 05/24/2014 9:08:16 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: NKP_Vet

By the blood of Christ and without man’s foolish traditions and dogma.


24 posted on 05/24/2014 9:10:15 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: PapaNew
Ephesians2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves,

it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works,
so that no one may boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Romans 4:16 For this reason it is by faith,
in order that it may be in accordance with grace,

so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants,
not only to those who are of the Law,
but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham

25 posted on 05/24/2014 9:10:34 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: vladimir998

We have no need for Rome’s sacrificial priesthood for those born again are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, and our once for all time perfect blood sacrifice was made and accepted roughly 2,000 years ago.


26 posted on 05/24/2014 9:12:40 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: NKP_Vet

lutherans do. wels and lc-ms i know do.


27 posted on 05/24/2014 9:12:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

technically - luther and rcc - consubstantiation vs transubstantiation.


28 posted on 05/24/2014 9:14:28 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: NKP_Vet

I don’t have any sort of a mental picture of anybody getting into heaven on the basis of theology....


29 posted on 05/24/2014 9:15:05 PM PDT by varmintman (It must really suck to be a Nazi in Kiev these days...)
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To: tumblindice

What if they stole from Caesar?


30 posted on 05/24/2014 9:15:09 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: NKP_Vet
But I don’t think they believe in the Real Presence, as in the bread and wine actually becoming the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus.

Maybe that's because it doesn't. Here is a question for you. When Jesus instituted the practice of Communion at the Last Supper, was the bread and wine He served to the disciples the actual blood and body of Jesus?

31 posted on 05/24/2014 9:16:37 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: NKP_Vet

Some of us do. However we believe that the bread and wine still exist as a vehicle for the Body and Blood, both are present together. We do however stop short of worshipping the wafers once they are consecrated.

To answer the original question on this thread, we are saved the only way it is possible to be saved. We believe with our hearts and confess with our mouths that Jesus Christ is Lord and has provided the atoning sacrifice to cover our sins.


32 posted on 05/24/2014 9:21:09 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: vladimir998

Lutherans do


33 posted on 05/24/2014 9:21:45 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: NKP_Vet

According to Peter, it’s pretty simple ...

Acts 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.


34 posted on 05/24/2014 9:24:47 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: NKP_Vet

It if faith in Christ given by God, an something you can’t earn through works, sacraments, etc.

Religious experience will not save a person, but being “born of the spirit” (John 3) will!


35 posted on 05/24/2014 9:32:50 PM PDT by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: virgil283

“Ye must be born again’

Born again is nothing in the world but being baptised. Something that many protestants dont think is necessary for salvation.


36 posted on 05/24/2014 9:35:07 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

I guess as a compassionate former “cradle Catholic,” who is now an evangelical Christian I will ask you are you born again?


37 posted on 05/24/2014 9:35:11 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: NKP_Vet

Life Vests...


38 posted on 05/24/2014 9:37:55 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Right. Luther says Christ is present in, with, and under the forms of bread and wine .


39 posted on 05/24/2014 9:38:03 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: boatbums

“That paragraph alone should tell you this blogger is not the religious expert he imagines himself to be”

Now I can say that about another poster on this boards, but you’re not supposed to make it person so I won’t.


40 posted on 05/24/2014 9:38:46 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: boatbums

“Didn’t you learn your lesson from the last time”

“And the truth shall set you free”.


41 posted on 05/24/2014 9:40:34 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: Kartographer

I was baptised, so yes I was “born again”! Praise the Lord and pass the biscuits.


42 posted on 05/24/2014 9:43:51 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet

Was the thief on the cross baptized?


43 posted on 05/24/2014 9:45:17 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man

Jesus can do anything he feels like doing and that thief went with him to paradise that day.


44 posted on 05/24/2014 9:48:38 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died;we should thank God that such men lived" ~ Patton)
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To: NKP_Vet
Born again is nothing in the world but being baptised. Something that many protestants dont think is necessary for salvation.Most Catholics are baptized as infants.

And yet Christ said in John 10" 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

Did the infant confess with its mouth?

Does the baby believe in its heart that Jesus is Lord?

What comes first, the horse or the cart?

45 posted on 05/24/2014 9:52:25 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: NKP_Vet

Jesus CANNOT contradict himself.


46 posted on 05/24/2014 9:53:15 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: vladimir998

He would not go from saying something is abhorrent and forbidden to saying it is OK and acceptable.

The eating of flesh and the drinking of blood are forbidden.


47 posted on 05/24/2014 10:02:20 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Well......Bye.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Good, then what is all the wailing an gnashing of teeth about?

Seems with the atheist, agnostics, Islamist and so forth in the world the followers of Christ have enough enemies without turning on one enough.

I can not help, but think of this quote from Alexandre Dumas 'The Three Musketeers':

"Do you know," said Porthos, "that to twist that damned Milady's neck would be a smaller sin than to twist those of these poor devils of Huguenots, who have committed no other crime than singing in French the psalms we sing in Latin?"


Don't fret over the small stuff Christ has higher plans and purpose for those who follow him and such petty squabbles only strengthen the enemy and keeps us from our work.
48 posted on 05/24/2014 10:11:53 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: tumblindice
"So it is highly unlikely that Jesus was flanked on Cavalry by thieves."

Is it possible that since the Crucifixion was done mostly by agreement between two government officials of two different governments working towards their own goals and needs or the moment that the two "thieves" just happened to be there. Not wanting to waste a good execution moment Pilate agreed to have them executed by roman soldiers while they were executing Jesus... by agreement with the Hebrew officials who needed them gone and would or could not do it because the rules of Passover prohibited it to be done by Jews on that day?

So could it have been just a "favor" of one government agency to another? Think of the reality of the situation. God would have known about all this stuff as he set the situation to happen according to his plan...made years before that date?

After all it was pre-ordained eons before by God and all outcomes and situational events happened according to his creation and plan.

Doubt it? Really? For us to second guess any of the events is just, well, beyond stupid.

And does anyone doubt that God pre-planed that believers might be of different "faiths".

Does anyone think that when the final tally of any one's good actions on earth are diminished by not being pre-registered to any Christian faith.? Are you saying that God only rewards those who were registered to select "clubs of the faithful?
49 posted on 05/24/2014 10:26:59 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS.. We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? Dem's did and voted!)
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To: Kartographer

Pardon, but where does it say Paul was lifted to the “seventh heaven”

I find

2 Corinthians 12:2
“I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.”

But Seventh heaven is not as far as the various Bible search engines I have tried in the Old or New Testament.

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=seventh+heaven&qs_version=NIV

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=seventh+heaven&qs_version=KJV


50 posted on 05/24/2014 10:27:21 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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