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Pope to Inaugurate Charismatic Convocation in Rome's Olympic Stadium
ZENIT.org ^ | May 30, 2014 | ZENIT.org

Posted on 05/30/2014 3:20:22 AM PDT by Biggirl

For the first time in history, a pope will visit the Rome Olympic Stadium for an international charismatic renewal convocation, the Vatican has announced.This Sunday, Pope Francis will attend and meet members of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal Movement in its 37th National Assembly. The June 1-2 gathering is expected to draw some 50,000 people from over 50 countries.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: charismatic; holyspirit; renewel

1 posted on 05/30/2014 3:20:22 AM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

heretics-yeah I’m a traditionalist so don’t bother, I’m busy today.


2 posted on 05/30/2014 3:32:21 AM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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To: BonRad

Looks like EVERYONE’S staying away from THIS one.


3 posted on 05/30/2014 4:28:52 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Biggirl

Well, at least it isn’t the Colosseum.


4 posted on 05/30/2014 4:58:57 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Biggirl
Kumbaya.
5 posted on 05/30/2014 5:16:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Biggirl

Ick.


6 posted on 05/30/2014 5:28:17 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Democrats are Cruz'n for a Bruisin' in 2016.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Elsie; metmom; daniel1212
From the article:
The Catholic Charismatic Renewal is a popular international movement within the Catholic Church which centers on the Holy Spirit, and is often known for its outside-of-Mass worship, such as faith healings and speaking in tongues.

In an interview with ZENIT, Martinez said the Holy Father enthusiastically agreed to participate in this event.

Another Roman Catholic denomination!


I'm the Pope and I approve of
this denomination!

7 posted on 05/30/2014 6:22:45 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock
I'm the Pope and I approve of this denomination!

ROTFL

8 posted on 05/30/2014 6:33:11 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Gamecock; metmom; redleghunter; mitch5501; BlueDragon; bonfire; WVKayaker; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
Another Roman Catholic denomination!

Indeed more cause for division:

There is nothing Orthodox about the charismatic movement. It is incompatible with Orthodoxy, in that it justifies itself only by perverting the message of the Fathers, suggesting that the Church of Christ needs renewal, and indulging in the theological imagery of, Pentecostal cultism. With such things, one cannot be too bold in his language of condemnation and reprobation. - http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/charmov.aspx

9 posted on 05/30/2014 7:34:46 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Thousand Roman Denominations Placemarker...

...how many charismatic rites are there?????

... if a charismatic prays to Mary in tongues, does she hear it, understand it, turn around and intercede in tongues to prevail on her Son?

... wow, healings too! Just think of all the miracles that will occur that can produce more “saints.”


10 posted on 05/30/2014 7:57:35 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: daniel1212; Gamecock
There is nothing Orthodox about the charismatic movement. It is incompatible with Orthodoxy, in that it justifies itself only by perverting the message of the Fathers, suggesting that the Church of Christ needs renewal, and indulging in the theological imagery of Pentecostal cultism. With such things, one cannot be too bold in his language of condemnation and reprobation. - http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/charmov.aspx


"You never can be too sure."

11 posted on 05/30/2014 8:44:17 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Biggirl

A bunch of our FR Catholic posters should attend; as they are lacking a bit this department.


12 posted on 05/30/2014 8:51:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Biggirl

Why?


13 posted on 05/30/2014 8:52:07 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: BonRad

It’s easy. Just wave your arms in the air, roll your eyes back in their sockets, and shout, “Boogely boogely boogely.”


14 posted on 05/30/2014 8:54:47 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Alex Murphy
The theme of the event, comprising prayer, testimonies, and dialogue, is “Repent! Believe! Receive the Holy Spirit!”.

LOOK! THE HOLY SPIRIT!*

*For those of you who may not be aware, in art and much of church architecture a white dove represents the Holy Spirit

15 posted on 05/30/2014 8:58:32 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Alex Murphy
Pope Frank: The first Pentecostal Pope!

Well, if you don't count this guy:


16 posted on 05/30/2014 9:01:02 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: daniel1212

There is one problem. The word “orthodox” cannot be used at this time, in use by the Eastern Churches. Use the “conservative” or “traditional” instead.


17 posted on 05/30/2014 9:05:07 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Jeff Chandler
It’s easy. Just wave your arms in the air, roll your eyes back in their sockets, and shout, “Boogely boogely boogely.”

Maybe they will say "hocus pocus!" instead?

18 posted on 05/30/2014 9:24:50 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy
Maybe they will say "hocus pocus!" instead?

At least saying hocus pocus is mocking actual words, not meaningless emotional outbursts.

19 posted on 05/30/2014 9:34:53 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Biggirl
The word “orthodox” cannot be used at this time

Capital idea!

20 posted on 05/30/2014 9:36:16 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Alex Murphy
BTW, Hocus Pocus is a parody of the words of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, "Hoc est corpus meum", meaning "This is my body."

Luke 22:19
Matthew 26:26
1 Corinthians 11:24

21 posted on 05/30/2014 10:50:57 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Biggirl
There is one problem. The word “orthodox” cannot be used at this time, in use by the Eastern Churches. Use the “conservative” or “traditional” instead.

It is an EO statement.

22 posted on 05/30/2014 11:34:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Alex Murphy

Note that even “suggesting that the Church of Christ needs renewal” is condemned!


23 posted on 05/30/2014 11:38:21 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Jeff Chandler
It’s easy. Just wave your arms in the air, roll your eyes back in their sockets, and shout, “Boogely boogely boogely.”

So Catholic charismatics are heretics?

24 posted on 05/30/2014 11:54:12 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
So Catholic charismatics are heretics?

Not necessarily. Most of them are probably just silly and naive.

25 posted on 05/30/2014 12:02:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

good answer, it is way of expressing the faith that I don’t care for. They are not heretics otherwise the movement would have been condemned long ago. It is Legitimately sanctioned movement within the Church in communion with the Bishops, but is it not a movement that I would ever affiliate with in terms of prayer meetings like this one.

There are many Gifts of the Holy Spirit, I just prefer to let other people experience and associate with said gifts!!!

Not my cup of tea, but they are Catholic in that they don’t reject Catholic Doctrine, there way of expressing said doctrine does not really interest me at all.


26 posted on 05/30/2014 12:39:36 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: daniel1212

It is, as you say, an EO statement.


27 posted on 05/30/2014 12:49:41 PM PDT by Campion
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To: CTrent1564
it is way of expressing the faith that I don’t care for.

It goes quiet well with the childish, feminized liturgies so popular among the happy-clappy dopey-gropey.

28 posted on 05/30/2014 12:50:33 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Not necessarily. Most of them are probably just silly and naive.

So if not all are heretics, and most of them are probably just silly and naive, are any right in claiming they have the gifts such as tongues?

29 posted on 05/30/2014 12:52:51 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
are any right in claiming they have the gifts such as tongues?

If their gifts include engaging in such buffoonery as spontaneous, emotional outbursts of gibberish, then yes.

30 posted on 05/30/2014 1:08:55 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
are any right in claiming they have the gifts such as tongues?

If their gifts include engaging in such buffoonery as spontaneous, emotional outbursts of gibberish, then yes.

So those who engage in "such buffoonery as spontaneous, emotional outbursts of gibberish" are those who have the gift of tongues, or what Rome herself sanctions is theoretical .

While i do not sanction all that is claimed as being of the Spirit, your judgement is one more example of the diversity of interpretation and belief in Catholicism.

31 posted on 05/30/2014 3:28:49 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
the diversity of interpretation and belief in Catholicism

First, let us be clear: What the charismatics call "talking in tongues" is certainly not what occurred on Pentecost, when the Apostles spoke in languages they had not studied, and people from other lands understood what they were saying. Rather, it is the stringing along of nonsensical utterances. There seems to have been some kind similar phenomenon among a tiny portion of the VERY early Church, the exact nature of which is ambiguous.

Now, there are areas which are core to the faith, outside of which one is not considered a Catholic. Core issues are things such as the triune Godhead, the divinity of Christ, the inspiration of Scripture, etc. There are other areas over which faithful Catholics disagree, and are not pillars of the faith. Non-essential areas are things such as Marian apparitions, charismatic tomfoolery, etc. The Church may tolerate, even encourage these things, but we are not required to believe them.

I suppose I could be more charitable in my attitude towards charismatic hijinks, but it's not going to happen.

32 posted on 05/30/2014 3:58:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Biggirl

1 Corinthians 14

Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues

14 Make love your aim, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3 On the other hand, he who prophesies speaks to men for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified.

6 Now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how shall I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching? 7 If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will any one know what is played? 8 And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? 9 So with yourselves; if you in a tongue utter speech that is not intelligible, how will any one know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning; 11 but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me. 12 So with yourselves; since you are eager for manifestations of the Spirit, strive to excel in building up the church.

13 Therefore, he who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. 16 Otherwise, if you bless[a] with the spirit, how can any one in the position of an outsider[b] say the “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? 17 For you may give thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified. 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind, in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

20 Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; be babes in evil, but in thinking be mature. 21 In the law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” 22 Thus, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 If, therefore, the whole church assembles and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all, 25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so, falling on his face, he will worship God and declare that God is really among you.
Orderly Worship

26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first be silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all be encouraged; 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets. 33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

As in all the churches of the saints, 34 the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. 35 If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. 36 What! Did the word of God originate with you, or are you the only ones it has reached?

37 If any one thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that what I am writing to you is a command of the Lord. 38 If any one does not recognize this, he is not recognized. 39 So, my brethren, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues; 40 but all things should be done decently and in order.


33 posted on 05/30/2014 4:08:18 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Biggirl; BlatherNaut; piusv

Isn’t this wonderful!

While this Pope fawns over the the Charismatic Catholics, which originated in Protestantism, and the Neocatechumenal Way, which originated in the twisted minds of Kiko and Carmen, he keeps an iron fist hammered down on the traditional Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the order of nuns associated with them!

His speeches about mercy are as hollow as Obama’s speeches about health care.


34 posted on 05/30/2014 7:40:25 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
While this Pope fawns over the the Charismatic Catholics, which originated in Protestantism, and the Neocatechumenal Way, which originated in the twisted minds of Kiko and Carmen, he keeps an iron fist hammered down on the traditional Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and the order of nuns associated with them!

Ludicrous, isn't it? But right in line with the clown nose, beach ball, pinocchio mass, tango mass, hand-kissing of heretics, ostentatious humility, etc.

I attended a charismatic meeting once and there were people screeching, throwing themselves down and writhing on the floor, jabbering and claiming to receive "words" directly from above and announcing them to the assembly. Many of the attendees were behaving as though they were mentally ill. Nauseating experience. Neocats are another group which marches to its own drummer so naturally Francis is drawn to them like a blue jay to a shiny object. The merciless destruction of the FFI is monstrous, but consistent with his modernist agenda.

35 posted on 05/30/2014 11:04:23 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Biggirl; ebb tide; BlatherNaut

Another protestantization, uh, I mean “fruit”, of Vatican II.


36 posted on 05/31/2014 5:29:47 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Jeff Chandler
First, let us be clear: What the charismatics call "talking in tongues" is certainly not what occurred on Pentecost, when the Apostles spoke in languages they had not studied, and people from other lands understood what they were saying. Rather, it is the stringing along of nonsensical utterances.

There seems to have been some kind similar phenomenon among a tiny portion of the VERY early Church, the exact nature of which is ambiguous.

It is true the miracle at Pentecost was speaking in known foreign languages, but 1Cor. 14 clearly describes a phenomenon of speaking in unknown languages, "not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries..." "my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful." (1 Corinthians 14:2,14)

Thus an interpreter was needed if more than the speaker was to be edified, "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." (1 Corinthians 14:28)

And rather than this being "among a tiny portion of the VERY early Church," this is the most descriptive account of a church service in the NT, and Paul, who said he spoke "with tongues more than ye all," (v.18) lists tongues (last) along with other spiritual "sign" gifts ("the manifestation of the Spirit") as being standard issue to Christians, "dividing to every man severally as He will." Which is part of the interdependence of the Body. (1Cor. 12:7-10)

Which would continue until "that which is perfect is come," "which is when the believer no longer sees thru a "glass darkly," but is know even as also he is know. (1Cor. 13:10,12) With that being most evidently being realized when the believer sees Christ Jesus as He is, and is made like Him as regards a glorified body. (1Jn. 3:2)

Though i see much of what is claimed to be the exercise of these gifts today as being counterfeit (most esp. prophecy), Whether one believes this is what is realized today or not, or how much, your own church (unless you are Orthodox: FR says your account is banned or suspended) affirms such are for today, "Whatever their character - sometimes it is extraordinary, such as the gift of miracles or of tongues - charisms are oriented toward sanctifying grace and are intended for the common good of the Church." http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2003.htm

Thus my questions to you in the face of your simply negative comments;.

37 posted on 05/31/2014 5:52:56 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Jeff Chandler

In truth, many of those folks are devout Catholics who have a love for the Lord in both the Bible and sacraments.


38 posted on 05/31/2014 8:46:25 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: All

The Charismatic Renewel movement is simply a working of the Holy Spirt and it helps bring those faithful closer to God and the Church.


39 posted on 05/31/2014 8:49:24 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: johngrace

Thank-you and God Bless.


40 posted on 05/31/2014 8:49:57 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: All

God Bless the Catholic Charismatic Renewel!


41 posted on 05/31/2014 8:52:32 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

How does flopping down on the floor and flailing around like an idiot enhance the spiritual life? Have yet to read any saints who recommend this approach.


42 posted on 05/31/2014 12:02:46 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

I have been to a number of prayer group meetings and NONE of what you have posted take place. It is sitting, listening to God speak, clapping hands, rasing hands prayer and prasing, while standing and singing.


43 posted on 05/31/2014 3:12:42 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: BlatherNaut

Are you talking about someone being slain in the Spirit?

That has happened at healing services that I have attended.


44 posted on 05/31/2014 3:17:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Biggirl
How is overwrought emotionalism spiritually edifying? And how do people who claim to have received a "word" know for sure that God is actually speaking to them without careful discernment of spirits? How can they be certain it isn't a devil whispering in their ear?

The movement is controversial in Catholic circles for good reason.

45 posted on 05/31/2014 4:36:02 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Salvation

I’m talking about people rolling around on the floor (some even pretending to pass out) and others claiming they have direct line to God as though they’re on His special ping list.


46 posted on 05/31/2014 4:42:59 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

It does have people who do discern things out.


47 posted on 05/31/2014 5:25:28 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl; BlatherNaut
I have been to a number of prayer group meetings and NONE of what you have posted take place. It is sitting, listening to God speak, clapping hands, rasing hands prayer and prasing, while standing and singing.

When God spoke to you, what did He say and in what language did He say it?

Did God clap His hands and sing with y'all, also?

48 posted on 06/01/2014 4:41:16 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl

God Bless the Franciscans Friars of the Immaculate.

And may God help the Pope who has been persecuting them with no mercy.


49 posted on 06/01/2014 4:46:52 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Amen.


50 posted on 06/01/2014 5:28:41 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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