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Bartholomew: With Francis, we invite all Christians to celebrate the first synod of Nicaea in 2025
Asia News ^ | May 29, 2014 | NAT da Polis

Posted on 05/31/2014 8:09:18 AM PDT by NYer

Istanbul (AsiaNews) - On his return from Jerusalem , where he met with Pope Francis at the Holy Sepulchre, the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew I, has revealed an important appointment for unity between Catholics and Orthodox: a gathering at Nicaea in 2025, where the first real ecumenical council of the undivided Church was celebrated.

Speaking exclusively with AsiaNews, Bartholomew says that together with Pope Francis "we agreed to leave as a legacy to ourselves and our successors a gathering in Nicaea in 2025, to celebrate together, after 17 centuries , the first truly ecumenical synod, where the Creed was first promulgated".


The Council of Nicaea (now Iznik, 130 km south- east of Istanbul) , brought together more than 300 bishops from East and West in  325 and is considered the first true ecumenical council. It was there that the formula of the Creed was decided, similar to the one recited during the liturgy today, saying that Jesus "is co-substantial to the Father,"to counter the Aryan ideology.

Francis and Bartolomew met to mark 50 years since the embrace between Paul VI and Athenagoras. The 1964 meeting broke a centuries old silence between the Christian East and the West, with all the socio-political consequences that have arisen, and from which Europe still suffers.

The meeting at the Holy Sepulchre has revitalized dialogue between Catholics and Orthodox , two Christian visions that despite their differences, have a common vision of the sacraments and  apostolic tradition.

"The dialogue for unity between Catholics and Orthodox - Bartholomew tells AsiaNews - will start again from Jerusalem. In this city, in the autumn , a meeting of the Catholic-Orthodox Joint Commission  will be held hosted by the Greek -Orthodox patriarch Theophilos III . It is a long journey in which we all must be committed without hypocrisy".

 "Jerusalem - continues Bartholomew - is the place, the land of the dialogue between God and man, the place where the Logos of God was incarnated. Our predecessors Paul VI and Athenagoras have chosen this place to break a silence that lasted centuries between the two sister Churches".

"I walked with my brother Francis in the Holy Land not with the fears of Luke and Cleopas on their way to Emmaus (cf. Luke 24: 13-35), but inspired by a living hope which we learn from our Lord".


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It is not immediately clear what the actual nature or real purpose of this gathering would be.

And it would seem very early to jump to the conclusion that this meeting might turn into an actual Ecumenical Council, bringing together bishops from both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

But that is precisely what some are doing.

A report on the Commonweal magazine website, posted yesterday, May 30, is entitled "Nicea III in 2025," suggesting that the proposed gathering may be an Ecumenical Council, and not just a Roman Catholic Council, but a Council for the entire Christian world.

Here is that report:

Nicea III in 2025?

1 posted on 05/31/2014 8:09:18 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/31/2014 8:09:44 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

By 2025, will there be any organized Christianity left in this secularized and muslimized world?


3 posted on 05/31/2014 8:15:15 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: NYer

That sounds about right! The Great Tribulation starts near the end of 2017 and Jesus returns in 2025.


4 posted on 05/31/2014 8:20:57 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: NYer
entire Christian world

Ummmm . . . . no.

5 posted on 05/31/2014 8:21:41 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: NYer

“Aryan theology” should be “Arian theology.” Big difference!


6 posted on 05/31/2014 8:26:21 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Bryanw92

The good news is that the Christian faith is GROWING bigtime in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. So I do not worry about that.


7 posted on 05/31/2014 8:33:55 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Genoa

Ummmm................YES.


8 posted on 05/31/2014 8:34:49 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SubMareener

Did not Jesus WARNED believers not to speculate about dates and times, because only “ the Father in Heaven knows” ?


9 posted on 05/31/2014 8:36:30 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

So you expect the Baptists to join in?


10 posted on 05/31/2014 8:37:07 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Biggirl
not to speculate about dates and times

Amen! It could be today!

11 posted on 05/31/2014 8:38:23 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

It is time for ALL Christians to come together. We unite by our common baptism.


12 posted on 05/31/2014 8:38:53 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: SubMareener
The Great Tribulation starts near the end of 2017 and Jesus returns in 2025.

Let me mark that on my google calendar.

13 posted on 05/31/2014 8:44:31 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: NYer
"It is not immediately clear what the actual nature or real purpose of this gathering would be."

So in other words Pope Francis is sticking to his usual modus operandi.

14 posted on 05/31/2014 8:45:42 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: Genoa
From Google:

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The Aryan race was a racial grouping commonly used in the period of the late 19th century to the mid 20th century to describe peoples of European and Western Asian heritage. It derives from the idea that the original speakers of the Indo-European languages and their descendants up to the present day constitute a distinctive race or subrace of the larger Caucasian race.

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Arianism is the theological teaching attributed to Arius (c. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt, concerning the relationship of God the Father to the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Arius asserted that the Son of God was a subordinate entity to God the Father. Deemed a heretic by the Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325, Arius was later exonerated in 335 at the regional First Synod of Tyre, and then, after his death, pronounced a heretic again at the Ecumenical First Council of Constantinople of 381.
The Roman Emperors Constantius II (337–361) and Valens (364–378) were Arians or Semi-Arians.

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Lol. "Semi-Arians"?? Even back then there were the wordmeisters lawyers, parsing every syllable.

15 posted on 05/31/2014 8:54:16 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Biggirl

That admonition refers to the day and time of the Rapture of the Church. So I didn’t speculate on that, although it is recorded by John in the Book of the Revelation, that Jesus called John up to Heaven to see the things that must happen before Jesus opened the First Seal.


16 posted on 05/31/2014 9:05:57 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: cloudmountain; NYer; Biggirl; zot; SeekAndFind; Salvation; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; ...

And did the Semi-Arians become seminarians?

But in seriousness, this would be a good time to include all who follow Jesus, i.e. the Protestants too.

Genoa, good catch on Aryans vice Arians


17 posted on 05/31/2014 9:20:37 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Jeff Chandler
You should also add the date when God cancels the United States of America by drawing a slash across it with the shadow of the Moon. Monday, August 21, 2017
18 posted on 05/31/2014 9:25:26 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: GreyFriar
And did the Semi-Arians become seminarians?

LOL. GOOD one.
Your answer: ONLY half of them did.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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But in seriousness, this would be a good time to include all who follow Jesus, i.e. the Protestants too.

True!
Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa!

Note purple color to represent contrition! :o)

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Genoa, good catch on Aryans vice Arians

Thanks. But, I Cloud Mountain, made the catch.
Isn't "vice"supposed to be "versus"?

19 posted on 05/31/2014 9:31:40 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I’m feeling a bit criminal this morning, thus the ‘vice.’


20 posted on 05/31/2014 9:39:50 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Bryanw92

Yes to your question......Catholicism.


21 posted on 05/31/2014 9:40:56 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Biggirl

The so-called “christian” faith in Latin America may be growing, but it’s at the expense of the Catholic faith diminishing.


22 posted on 05/31/2014 9:49:07 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Biggirl

It is time for ALL Christians to become Catholics; that’s what the Popes taught prior to VC II.


23 posted on 05/31/2014 9:50:54 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: cloudmountain

What? Your post was in reply to Genoa’s. Genoa made the catch!


24 posted on 05/31/2014 10:13:25 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa; cloudmountain

Church splits have happened over less.


25 posted on 05/31/2014 10:16:45 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: GreyFriar
I’m feeling a bit criminal this morning, thus the ‘vice.’

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Is the "grey" becoming a bit more DARKish? Hmmmm?

Be careful!
People might mistake you for a JESUIT!! :o)
Oh no!! NOT a JESUIT!! ANYthing but a Jesuit!!

Yay, Franciscans!
We had a Franciscan priest in Saudi Arabia. Imagine, the Saudis provided us Americans with men of the cloth.

Anglicans: a vicar who had a service once a month for the SIX Anglicans on camp.

Catholics: a priest who lived on camp and held DAILY Mass, 9:00 A.M., first in his home, then in a large room in the camp clubhouse. We ended up NOT having to share a "room"/church with the Protestants.

Protestants: a reverend who held their service in that same clubhouse, ONCE A WEEK, usually right after the Catholic service. Protestants have NO obligation to attend ANY service, at any time, for any reason whatsoever--not Sundays, not Christmas, not even Easter, the holiest time of the year. So, they weren't a HUGE force in our camp Christianity.
All the Protestants were lumped together. I'm sure they loved that. (sarcasm)

We were all, I'm pretty sure, just glad to have the opportunity to have men of the cloth there. The Saudis respect Christianity, no matter what the Muslim-haters here say. This is because we Christians are all "people of the Book": the Bible, of course.

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FWIW: In Arabic JESUS is "Issa." We have a California Congressman named Darrell Issa.

From Wikipedia: Darrell Edward Issa
(/ˈaɪsə/; born November 1, 1953) is the Republican U.S. Representative for California's 49th congressional district, serving since 2001. The district, numbered as the 48th District during his first term, covers the northern coastal areas of San Diego County, including cities such as Oceanside, Vista, Carlsbad and Encinitas, as well as a small portion of southern Orange County. Since January 2011, he has served as Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

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DARRELL EDWARD JESUS:
Republican

26 posted on 05/31/2014 10:25:39 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation

>>Yes to your question......Catholicism.

Sadly, you are probably right...as prophesied in Revelation. Fortunately, unorganized Christianity will still exist throughout the world in that time.


27 posted on 05/31/2014 11:00:35 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Genoa
Church splits have happened over less.

No kidding. The Protestants have "split" some 30,000 times. Talk about SPLITS.
Of course, there is no ONE head of the Protestants to prevent this. They will probably split more over the millenia.

28 posted on 05/31/2014 11:12:29 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Genoa

Oh, okay.


29 posted on 05/31/2014 11:12:52 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Genoa

Amen! It could be today!

We will know the season.

http://patburt.com/


30 posted on 05/31/2014 11:35:17 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: cloudmountain; NYer

Visit my home and the story of its destruction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_Church_Greyfriars


31 posted on 05/31/2014 11:41:46 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
The English are paying the price. They have with the "invasions" from all their colonial conquests.

It started with Henry VIII and his six wives, his determination to have a son and his decision to start HIS VERY OWN CHURCH and thereby thumb his nose at the Vatican.
The arrogance of the man still appalls me. After all that England was ruled by a woman. That was retribution of cosmic size.

Why, yes, it was.

32 posted on 05/31/2014 12:11:53 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. I doubt that any Protestants will be invited to this meeting in 2025.


33 posted on 05/31/2014 1:19:07 PM PDT by zot
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To: zot
I doubt that any Protestants will be invited to this meeting in 2025.

Are you kidding? After Assisi's I, II and III group hugs, you can be assured you'll have ample representation, with voting powers.

34 posted on 05/31/2014 1:38:14 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: GreyFriar

You have claimed you are not Catholic. Thus you have no claim that which you do.

Grey friar my aspe.


35 posted on 05/31/2014 2:13:18 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

No kidding. I think Martin Luther will be “canonized” by then as well.


36 posted on 05/31/2014 3:50:24 PM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

I’m not Catholic in this life, however, in a previous life I was a Friars Minor Monk at the abbey in Newgate Street in the early 1300s.


37 posted on 05/31/2014 7:02:46 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: zot

I bet you are wrong. The Orthodox will be hosting, so they will simply have to hold back the Romanist Order of Albino Assassin Monks when they get the scent of nearby Protestant Christians and their blood-lust hits them.

Freegards


38 posted on 05/31/2014 7:14:42 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: SubMareener
That admonition refers to the day and time of the Rapture of the Church. So I didn’t speculate on that, although it is recorded by John in the Book of the Revelation, that Jesus called John up to Heaven to see the things that must happen before Jesus opened the First Seal.

Can you be specific as to how you "know" Christ comes again in 2025? SPECIFICALLY

39 posted on 05/31/2014 7:20:55 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: Ransomed
I bet you are wrong. The Orthodox will be hosting, so they will simply have to hold back the Romanist Order of Albino Assassin Monks when they get the scent of nearby Protestant Christians and their blood-lust hits them.

Heh! Yeah, those Albino Assassin Monks would be a problem.

40 posted on 05/31/2014 7:49:54 PM PDT by zot
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To: workerbee

The Great Tribulation lasts seven years. If it starts in late 2017 or early 2018 it will end in late 2024 or early 2025. Jesus comes back to end the Tribulation and establish His Kingdom on this Earth at that time.


41 posted on 05/31/2014 8:01:10 PM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: SubMareener
Uh-Huh.

In post #4 you state: The Great Tribulation starts near the end of 2017 and Jesus returns in 2025.

You didn't say "about" or "perhaps" or "maybe." So, I ask you again, what specifically is your source of information for these dates?

42 posted on 05/31/2014 9:17:10 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: GreyFriar

So was my pet lizard; his name is Larry. Do you remember him? He was the Green Friar, circa 1320’s.


43 posted on 05/31/2014 9:39:14 PM PDT by ebb tide
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