[NYer]

Ping!

[Jeff Chandler]

Then there's the teen mass:

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[livius]

We’ve already tried the Lutheran one...in the Novus Ordo. That clearly did not work, so maybe it’s time to try the Byzantine model.

Actually, all we have to do is go back to the 1965 missal (which was essentially the traditional Latin rite low mass, with a few minor simplifications and translated into the vernacular) and start over. It was basically the English version that we all had in our missals at the time.

Also, let’s go back to the traditional calendar, although possibly changing it so that Easter is on the same date as Orthodox Easter. Changes to the calendar were terrible. This would include the dropping of various saints, the elimination of rogation days, the strange and unconnected readings and near total elimination of St Paul, and the ability to proclaim Ascension Thursday was now “Ascension Sunday.”

[kalee]

Placemarker

[wonkowasright]

The church does not resemble the offshoots. The offshoots resemble the church.

[vladimir998]

Just use the Sarum Use - its Western, but heavily Eastern flavored.

[paterfamilias]

Were the Church a democracy, I would vote for the 1962 Missal Traditional Latin Rite.

[metmom]

Getting all set for a one world religion, I see.

[Salvation]

**Most historic Protestant denominations continue to move into a post-Christian stance with their theologies and this has created even more division that will be difficult to overcome. Non-liturgical evangelical Protestants tend to be more “Catholic” in their moral teachings than most mainline Protestant denominations, but they are far from us liturgically.**

Interesting comments.

[piusv]

However, what most Catholics don't realize is that our liturgical reforms spurred Protestant denominations, especially Lutherans and Anglicans to make their liturgy more like the Liturgy that Pope Paul VI reformed. Thus we think that the Catholic Liturgy is more Protestant looking when in fact the Protestant liturgy became more Catholic looking in the post-Vatican II sense after Vatican II.

I can't roll my eyes hard enough. Regardless of whether the chicken or egg came first, do we really think that Protestants would make their liturgy more like the Paul VI liturgy if it was truly Catholic? LMAO.

[ebb tide]

However, what most Catholics don't realize is that our liturgical reforms spurred Protestant denominations, especially Lutherans and Anglicans to make their liturgy more like the Liturgy that Pope Paul VI reformed. Thus we think that the Catholic Liturgy is more Protestant looking when in fact the Protestant liturgy became more Catholic looking in the post-Vatican II sense after Vatican II.

Absolutely, pure unadulterated 100% B.S. Why post this crap?

[redgolum]

In my home LCMS parish, the altar was against the wall behind the communion rail. The Catholic churches had the altar away from the wall and no rail. Many other LCMS churches I have been to have the altar placed off the wall, but I can count on one hand the Catholic churches I have been to with a communion rail.

As for the service, both changed about the same time. The old Lutheran service was NOT like it is toady. In fact a great many of my older relatives complained about the change in the 1960’s or so.

Funny thing is the old services also were very close.

[Elsie]

The Latin Rite Mass: Should It Be More Lutheran Or Eastern Orthodox In Appearance?

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

I’m too excited about this development to focus on this right now. But I’m always for a reverent liturgy, and there’s nothing about Eastern Rite and Orthodox liturgies that I don’t like. 8-)