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Dust on the Hymnal: Pondering the Decline of Hymn Singing in American Denominations
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 6/1/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/02/2014 1:42:10 AM PDT by markomalley

One of the more prominent features of Protestant denominations over the decades was hymn singing. Get in your time machine go back 50 years, to any Protestant denomination, and you would find every member of the congregation on their feet, hymnal in hand, singing quite loudly, even harmonizing the old familiar hymns: Onward Christian Soldiers….Amazing Grace….When the Roll is called up Yonder….More About Jesus….Praise God from Whom All Blessing Flow!

Catholics congregations were rather different. Low Masses in Latin were common where there was little or no singing. High mass featured complex music that a trained choir largely handled. And the few hymns the Catholics did know quite well, were generally not sung with the gusto anywhere near that of the Protestants.

I’ll admit, I’m a big fan of the metrical hymns of the Protestant tradition. One of the regrets I have is that, in the years just after the Second Vatican Council when vernacular songs were permitted, was that we did not borrow more heavily from the English and German traditions of hymns.

Hymns are stately, easy to learn, and have memorable melodies. They were also metrical, which meant that they were sung to a steady beat and almost never had the complicated rhythms of many modern church songs. Congregations have a hard time singing syncopated rhythm (a variety of rhythms which are in some way unexpected which make part or all of a tune or piece of music off-beat).

Many of the old Protestant hymns, especially those from the English tradition, are actually magnificent translations of the Latin hymns of the ancient Catholic Church. Many of them also beautifully paraphrase the Psalms. As such, their themes were biblical, and richly theological.

A beautiful example of this is the English translation of a verse from the beautiful Hymn by St. Ambrose (Veni Redemptor Gentium):

Thy cradle here shall glitter bright,
and darkness breathe a newer light;
An endless light that shines serene,
Where twilight never intervenes.

And there is this line from the well-known English him For all the Saints:

And when the strife is fierce, the warfare long;
Steels on the ear a distant triumph song
and hearts are brave again and arms are strong
Alleluia!

One final example is from the grand hymn O Worship the King:

Thy bountiful care, what tongue can recite?
It breathes in the air, it shines in the light;
Thy mercies how tender, how firm to the end,
our Maker, Defender, Redeemer, and Friend.

I love to sing and listen to these old hymns, I love to play them at the organ.

But lo and behold, it seems the old hymns are dying out, even in many of the Protestant denominations, especially those of the Evangelical sort. Paradoxically, many of the old mainline Protestant denominations which are theologically and morally very liberal are one of the few places where the old hymns are still sung. Many of the Evangelical denominations which adhere more closely to biblical teachings and morality are now using Christian contemporary music which seems to have largely replaced the old hymns.

But most Christian contemporary music, is really music to listen to more, than to sing, and certainly is not designed to be sung by a large group of people.

Here are some excerpts from a recent article article at the Holy Soup Blog by Thom Schulz: (I add a few remarks of my own in plain red text)

Looking around the church last Sunday I noticed that the majority weren’t singing….That’s been the case for years now–in churches large and small. What used to be congregational singing has become congregational staring…. (Looks and sounds like a average Catholic Congregation)

What happened to the bygone sounds of sanctuaries overflowing with fervent, harmonizing voices from the pews, singing out with a passion that could be heard down the street? I suspect it’s a number of unfortunate factors.

Increasingly, the church has constructed the worship service as a spectator event….It seems it’s paramount for church music to be more professional than participatory. The people in the pews know they pale in comparison to the loud voices at the microphones. (Yes this is certainly the case in most megachurches which are even built like theaters and many of the services  look more like a production than a worship service. 

[Further] The musicians’ volume is cranked up so high that congregants can’t hear their own voices, or the voices of those around them, even if they would sing. So they don’t sing. What would it add? The overwhelming, amplified sound blares from big speakers, obliterating any chance for the sound of robust congregational singing. Yes, I learned this as an organist, that if I played too loud, people stopped singing. The singing of the faithful needs to be supported and accompanied, not drowned out and overwhelmed. In some Catholic parishes volume from musicians and even lectors and preachers is a problem too where even smaller church structures have massive PA systems that overload the listeners rather than enhance their listening). 

Sometimes people refrain from singing because the songs are unfamiliar, hard to sing, or just cheesy…I long for an environment that evokes my real heartfelt vocal participation. As stated above it is really rather difficult to get a larger congregation to sing syncopated music. Clear metrical music is better if congregational participation is desired. Just because some song by a soloist sounds nice doesn’t mean its easy to sing. I get the impression that a lot of Catholic contemporary music is really written for soloists and then forced on the congregation who vote with their mouth which stays shut during the song. All the wild flaying of a cantor’s arms doesn’t really change the situation either. If something is singable for a congregation, the wild gesticulation of the lady cantor is not needed. 

At any rate, I’ll just conclude again by saying that I favor metrical hymns for congressional singing and there is a noble history of some five hundred year on which to draw. There are some nice Gregorian Hymns too. I know the combos is bound to find more than a few comments about ditching hymns too and sining the Introit, gradual, etc. But honestly the number of parishes that can accomplish that reasonably are few. Further, even if a trained schola exists in your parish, the topic here is conjugational singing. Sadly, that reality seems to be disappearing even in the denominations which once resounded with hymns and enthusiastic singing by most of the congregation. Its too bad really.

I’m interested in your experience of congregational singing. I find in most parishes that less than 20% even make a pretense of singing. My own congregation is a bit of an exception since we use a lot of Gospel hymns and music that are very easy for the congregation to sing; lots of refrains and memorable melodies. What of your parish?


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Personally, I don't sing because, in general, OCP songs are so horribly bad (and my parish seems to typically have the habit of selecting the very worst ones from the missalette). But that's just me.
1 posted on 06/02/2014 1:42:10 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: AllAmericanGirl44; Biggirl; Carpe Cerevisi; ConorMacNessa; Faith65; GreyFriar; Heart-Rest; ...

Msgr Pope ping


2 posted on 06/02/2014 1:43:12 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

A Mighty Fortress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRJHKzU_t1M


3 posted on 06/02/2014 1:45:23 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million USD for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: markomalley

I can’t stand Christian pop music. Give me the old stoic hymnal any day. I occasionally go to my sister’s church. And they must play a full hour of Christian pop. BORING!


4 posted on 06/02/2014 1:45:52 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Organic Panic

I do not care for the use of “praise” music in congregational settings, with the projection of the words on a screen, like a Mitch Miller sing-along. This has become prevalent even in the Church of Christ with the New Testament, non-instrumental approach to songs. Some CoC congregations have added “praise bands” in the auditorium. My main objection to the “praise” music is it is repetitious and doesn’t really “praise,” IMO.

Give me some Southern gospel shaped-note singing any day. Most any Stamps-Baxter songbook selection will do.


5 posted on 06/02/2014 3:03:28 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Organic Panic

The ECUSA Hymnal 1982 is due to be revised. I am not at all looking forward to what they come up with. Modernity-culture PC nonsense, I suspect...


6 posted on 06/02/2014 3:13:02 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: markomalley

If I see a drum kit in a church I walk out immediately.


7 posted on 06/02/2014 3:17:59 AM PDT by tellw
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To: markomalley

The charismatics have tried to take over the music at our church. Twice a month we have to use the special blue binder, but instrumentally they’ve only gone so far as to add cymbals and a guitar. We have an amazing pipe organ of which I’m a fan, and the organist always “jams out” after the benediction hymn. The praise music just is not my thing.


8 posted on 06/02/2014 3:18:38 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: markomalley

I don’t sing the modern 7/11 songs (7 words, repeated 11 times) because I don’t know the tunes and entrances. I can read music and so can join an unfamiliar tune when following the music. And to those who can’t read music: LEARN HOW! It isn’t that hard. As it is, we are not presenting our best to God.


9 posted on 06/02/2014 3:19:23 AM PDT by Jemian (I CHOSE to be a CALVINIST! ( yes, I do know...))
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To: markomalley; P-Marlowe
But most Christian contemporary music, is really music to listen to more, than to sing, and certainly is not designed to be sung by a large group of people.

The above really isn't so. An overhead slide with the words, and many many of the contemporary songs are great for congregational singing. There is also a genre that combines the old hymns with words of praise or new rhythms that is absolutely praise worthy. "Glorious Day" comes to mind by

Glorious Day

10 posted on 06/02/2014 3:23:05 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: markomalley

The Methodists in the Methodist town of Ocean Grove, NJ, have a choir that sings the great Protestant songs during their services - pure Americana. Not only do they have a great choir, they hire four singers every summer from the Metropolitan Opera to augment the singing. So somebody is doing it right!


11 posted on 06/02/2014 3:35:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: All

The reason why the contempary Christian is being played more in Evangelical churches, so it is to bring in a much more younger group of believers.


12 posted on 06/02/2014 3:37:06 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: markomalley

bttt


13 posted on 06/02/2014 3:39:01 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: xzins
I, too, miss hymnals, reading music and singing along with a congregation, not a "praise and worship" team, especially one whose leader prances across the stage (which the dais becomes more and more).

That being said, try listening to the Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir, whose director (and she is a choir director) Carol Cymbala, not only directs but also writes most of their music - while not being able to read or write music!!!

Along with her husband, Jim, who pastors the diverse church, Carol began their "choir" with a mere 9 people, today ranges in the neighborhood of 250, including some tremendously talented folk who move to the area to be able to sing along with Carol.

This choir has recorded albums and travel to share the love of Christ with their gift of singing.

You feel the angels singing when listening to some of the BTC's music yet I, like you, still long for the days of singing with the congregation, using a hymnal.

To listen to some of Carol's fine gifts, go here: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=brooklyn+tabernacle+choir+youtube&qpvt=brooklyn+tabernacle+choir+youtube&FORM=VDRE

14 posted on 06/02/2014 3:56:28 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: tellw

Ditto....in a FLASH! The only exception is on Youth Sunday.


15 posted on 06/02/2014 4:09:18 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: markomalley

I am married to the worship leader of our church....we rock the place every Sunday morning.

I grew up with the Hymnal.....boring. And not always relevant...who knows what a sheave is anyway?


16 posted on 06/02/2014 4:51:38 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: markomalley

If we could get rid of the insipid pap from Marty Haugen and David Haas things might start to look up.


17 posted on 06/02/2014 4:51:59 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Organic Panic; All

Modern instruments are tuned at standard 440 and old hymns were written when the key of “a” was as low as 410...often depending on the the “a” pipe of an organ. So sometimes a hymn written say in the key of c can be hard to sing especially when when the high notes can be an octave and third higher than base clef c(standard starting note for treble clef c). Some Baptist hymn books have lowered the registers of many songs by a 1/2 step to a step in recognition of this problem and many songs are now much more singable and enjoyable.

My issue with many contemporary Christian praise music is that it is often written by folks who tend to sing in a high tenor or soprano pop like tessitura. The praise and worship band leaders will imitate these songs in the way they heard them on the radio and sing like solo virtuosos with trick rhythm riffs and sudden full octave shifts that most untrained voices can’t follow( baritones and mezzos, basses and altos are lost or are stuck singing at a higher register than they may be comfortable, or may try to harmonize if they are talented enough to follow these complex ‘jiggy’ meolodies, or they go screaming to the comforts of traditional worship services). Sound engineers trade subtlety and finesse in operating the speakers for the power of brute force, blasting the ears of the listeners, intimidating many folks into silence.

I know some contemporary Christian music is very good, though the shorter praise songs don’t have to be repeated 10 times ad nauseum. The time spent repeating the same songs could be used for more praise songs or longer hymns.


18 posted on 06/02/2014 5:01:25 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: markomalley
Our church and many of the Independent Baptist churches still sing hymns from a hymn book and without a huge amount of music covering the voices of the faithful. One of the best I have had the pleasure of attending is Heritage Baptist Church in Woodbridge, VA. Also really wonderful is the Pensacola Christian College Sunday services when all of the students are attending. The sound of hundreds of voices singing the praises of God together is truly inspiring and awesome.
19 posted on 06/02/2014 5:05:57 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: T-Bird45
My main objection to the “praise” music is it is repetitious and doesn’t really “praise,” IMO”

My main objection to a lot of praise music is that while MUCH OF IT IN FACT DOES “praise God”, especially scripturally derived.(Such as the song of Miriam and the prophetesses...known as Horse and Rider)....some praise and worship teams repeat each song about 10 times, making the message of the song sound like a repetitive mind control cultic rant! Twice is enough for some of these songs then they should move on to other songs, testimonies, scriptures, ect.!

20 posted on 06/02/2014 5:11:05 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Organic Panic

I call it “Seven-Eleven Music,” seven words repeated eleven times.


21 posted on 06/02/2014 5:26:08 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Watch for further changes in the lyrics of hymns. Just recently in church we sang the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Instead of “As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,” the words had been changed to “let us live to make men free.”


22 posted on 06/02/2014 5:40:41 AM PDT by buridan
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To: mom4melody

To each is own.

Our minister loves the new music but admits that he needs to talk to the music director about adding some traditional music to the singing.

I choose to wait outside until the drums and electronic noise portion of the program is concluded.


23 posted on 06/02/2014 5:59:47 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: mom4melody

While there are some excellent praise and worship songs, we have to be aware that even praise music can become an idol. To paraphrase Marshall McLuhan, if the ‘medium’ (praise music) BECOMES the ‘message’ (Jesus), rather than the means to communicate the message, it becomes idol worship, as the music becomes the focus, rather than Jesus; a very subtle difference and one easily crossed over.

AFA hymns? Personally, I find that they have such power and are Scripture based and convey the words of Scripture. With many praise songs, not so much.


24 posted on 06/02/2014 6:05:34 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: buridan

We have seen United Church of Christ Hymnals. You should see the lyrics in songs such as ‘America’. It is all about the ‘Americas’ meaning North and South. Many of the hymns have had the lyrics changed.

At our Independent Christian Church we use old and new. We hit the middle ground years ago after a bit of struggle. I don’t worry too much about those not singing because you can only lead a horse to water. We all have our strengths. Our primary problem is a severe lack of folks under 40. Using contemporary music in our area has not been a draw for any of the churches of the younger set.


25 posted on 06/02/2014 6:10:51 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: markomalley
The crux of the Catholic celebration is the Eucharist, nothing else.

Perhaps the crux of many Protestant celebrations is the praising of the Lord through song.

26 posted on 06/02/2014 6:18:59 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: markomalley

O God O Lord of Heav’n and Earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBomcCQmwgk

The parish I attend sings this with gusto and at a faster pace than in this video. Young and old alike. My family and I would be hard pressed if we ever had to move, becuase it is a rare thing to find a parish that considers the Word of God first, and leaves human preferences in the dust where they belong


27 posted on 06/02/2014 6:19:25 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: tellw

Unfortunately, many Evangelical churches have gone that way. At Centre Street Church, they have four services each weekend. The Saturday and Sunday evening services are ‘contemporary’, while the 9:00AM Sunday service is more traditional, though the choir does not always sing at this service, but the worship team sings traditional hymns when the choir is not signing. The 11:00AM service is a mix of contemporary and traditional music. The sermon is the same at all four services.

It is rare to see a large choir in a more ‘liturgical’ service, though many UCC, Anglican (US=’Episcopalian’) and Lutheran churches do have choirs of some kind. As for me, I am blessed to sing in a men’s interdenominational choir of 60+ members from 12 denominations and 30+ churches in Calgary. We sing once each month at different churches around Calgary and usually perform both a Christmas and Spring Concert. The unfortunate thing is that interest in choirs is shrinking. I am 53 years of age and I am one of the ‘kids’ in the choir. The Choir’s name is the Master’s Singers. It is not in reference to age, rather, to sing for the glory of our Master, Jesus. Here are couple of links to the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpp65b77hOU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akRu77RVuRk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4AAZHAaD4


28 posted on 06/02/2014 6:27:06 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: markomalley

All other ground is sinking sand!

Our church’s 11am service is very traditional with that “old time” religion and music. Very formal, somber even at times, more “respectful” I think.

Our early service, 8:30am, has always been more contemporary, to include, more recently, instruments and “drop down screen” accompaniments, with an A/V guy off to the side. A lot of skill and talent go into the service, without a doubt. But, I prefer the later service.

Several years back, a new green-covered hymnal was introduced and used almost exclusively in the early service. The wife didn’t appreciate my humor when I nicknamed it the “Yahni Hymnal”. Dull, boring, repetitive...the book, not my humor.


29 posted on 06/02/2014 6:28:13 AM PDT by moovova
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To: markomalley

A few years ago, a teenage girl was talking excitedly about the megachurch that she attended. But when I asked if it had an organ, her face went blank. I quickly realized that she had never heard of an organ. Most likely, the only sacred music she had ever heard was “praise” music.


30 posted on 06/02/2014 7:03:10 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: T-Bird45

I am a shape note singer and although Southern Gospel developed from shape note the two are very different. Shape note is polyphonic (from the Baroque think 1650 AD) but Southern Gospel is not, it is organized as chords which are presented in sequence.

Shape note is sung is at very loud levels and can be very raw even with great singers. The polyphony is not particularly predictable and you have to be attentive to the written music.

Southern Gospel is simplification of shape note and is really predictable. For many voice parts you can phone it in.

I dislike Southern Gospel although it gets much more interesting if you disregard the written harmonies and create melodies which enhance the main melody.

I also think that contemporary Christian music is terrific. I came to Jesus through CCM and we know that many others have had the same experience because we many, many emails which testify to that fact.

Now let me put on my flame suit and wait for the Southern Gospel Beserkers to attack. Lol.


31 posted on 06/02/2014 7:06:31 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Organic Panic

Christian pop is distracting during Mass but I love it driving around town. My granddaughter and I crank it up and sing along. That has to be good.


32 posted on 06/02/2014 7:07:27 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: mom4melody

I will add that our whole congregation sings and do so very well. They also stand early in the music and rock God’s house.


33 posted on 06/02/2014 7:10:04 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: miss marmelstein
The Methodists in the Methodist town of Ocean Grove, NJ, have a choir that sings the great Protestant songs during their services - pure Americana. Not only do they have a great choir, they hire four singers every summer from the Metropolitan Opera to augment the singing. So somebody is doing it right!

The pastor at the First Methodist Church in Fullerton, Calif., who is Korean, also chooses great Protestant songs for our services. Yesterday, we closed the service with William Cornell's "Wonderful Peace" (1889). Songs by the great hymn writers Charles H. Gabriel, Fanny Crosby, Daniel Towner, William Howard Doane and others can also be heard at our services.

34 posted on 06/02/2014 7:12:16 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: markomalley

The music in the OCP is getting better. We sing “old time” hymns at daily Mass.

Why should the money go to some of these OCP lyricists and composers when they have come out as gay, or attend a Protestant church.

What I’m talking about is a report that is filed weekly so that the composers and lyricists get their two cents (or whatever the royalty is) for each time the song is performed.


35 posted on 06/02/2014 7:16:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: moovova

Where I go has gone modern with a visual screen instead of a book. Unfortunately the A/V person working the screen seems to get us off on the wrong verse quite often.

I still Prefer the old book hymns and my personal favorite is anything by THE CHUCKWAGON GANG.


36 posted on 06/02/2014 7:18:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: markomalley

Have faith. The OCP has changed quite a bit, and I think you know I have been one of loudest complainers. The cover is different. Some of the Hurd, Haugen, Schutte, etc junk isn’t in it any more. More and more chant is being printed in it.

Talk with your own priests and choir directors. Hymns are part of the worship — not a performance.

Off my soap box.


37 posted on 06/02/2014 7:18:51 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mercat

The old hymns also served as popular music and were sung frequently outside of church. Contemporary Christian has re-established that role.


38 posted on 06/02/2014 7:19:52 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: tellw

The drum kit in our church is used at only the Spanish Mass. Don’t judge too readily.


39 posted on 06/02/2014 7:20:09 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley

I agree with the author that a lot of songs now being used in church are rather sappy, and not very inspirational.

As a Catholic I always heard about the wonderful singing in Protestant congregations. I am sad to read that this is not so true anymore.

In my Catholic church, the people do sing, but not with a great enthusiasm UNTIL we are offered up an old song such as ‘Holy God We Praise Thy Name’. When people are familiar with a song and the tune, they usually participate with gusto.


40 posted on 06/02/2014 7:25:05 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: Organic Panic

When we’ve had to relocate for work and have had looked for a new church (Baptist), I gone online and called the pastors. My list of questions is:

What version of the Bible do you use? If not KJV, end the call and move on to the next church on the list.

What hymnal do you use? If they say they don’t use hymnals and/or they put the words of the songs on a screen, end the call and move on to the next church on the list.

When I walk into your church, will I see drums? If “yes”, end the call and move on to the next church on the list.

What contemporary/pop Christian do you have? The correct response would be “none”.

When we moved to Tennessee, we incorrectly assumed it would be easy to find a “good” fundamental Baptist church. We were wrong. Finally, we did find one but it was a chore. You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting 5 or 6 churches; they’re everywhere. Sadly, most have gone contemporary, especially with music, and are into the razzle-dazzle.


41 posted on 06/02/2014 7:25:30 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: mom4melody

One of the things I have noticed over the years is that people will sing with a choir but not so much with a praise team. The bigger the choir the better.

We lead the congregation in Worship rather than just presenting the Gospel. It is very different.


42 posted on 06/02/2014 7:27:12 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Fiji Hill

I love, love, love the traditional Protestant music - and I speak as a Catholic. The hymns are so beautiful and so emblematic of the best of Americana.

I have a cd of the film score of “How the West Was Won,” and it features gorgeous hymns - as well as traditional folk. That film introduced me to those hymns.


43 posted on 06/02/2014 7:30:24 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Gumdrop

I grew up in an old-fashioned Irish Catholic community in NYC. We had Tin Pan Alley Catholic songs like “Bring Flowers of the Fairest.” Years ago, there was a wonderful and very funny book about American Catholic music of the mid-20th century. I have since lost it and forgotten it’s name.


44 posted on 06/02/2014 7:33:24 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Oy vey! I remember my mother dragging me out of a Catholic church if she saw a guitar!


45 posted on 06/02/2014 7:34:23 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: mdmathis6
I'm 50 + and grew up singing from the old Broadman hymnal. I love those old songs but I like some if the new too. I'd much rather sing the new version of One Day than plod through ALL there verses of the old hymn like we use too.

What I don't understand is the dogmatic hatred by some (mostly older) members for the new stuff.

Ironically, the old hymns they love were once “new” music and much was rejected by the church establishment of the day. Silent Night was rejected at 1st for not being sung in Latin and guitar accompaniment.

Style of song worship not being directly addressed in scripture leaves a matter of opinion and taste.

Unless you are Jimmy Swagger, you preach a TV sermon on the evils of modern music before your commercial for your new Southern Gospel album.

46 posted on 06/02/2014 7:39:13 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: fungoking

Church music does change and we are seeing it happen now. Many people respond to CCM and others respond to the old hymns.

Jesus provides what each person needs to bring them to him.


47 posted on 06/02/2014 7:42:53 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: mom4melody
I grew up with the Hymnal.....boring. And not always relevant...who knows what a sheave is anyway?

I don't know of any hymns or gospel songs that contain the word "sheave," which is a grooved wheel used in various types of machinery. However, the word "sheaves," the plural of "sheaf"--as in the gospel song "Bringing in the Sheaves--certainly has relevance:

But they know not the thoughts of the Lord, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.
Micah 4:12

48 posted on 06/02/2014 7:47:39 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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I’m perplexed by professing Christians who say they “don’t sing”. There are both commands and examples of singing in the New Testament. What other parts do you throw out?


49 posted on 06/02/2014 7:47:40 AM PDT by Sloth (Rather than a lesser Evil, I voted for Goode.)
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To: Sloth

Yep. Make joyful noise was the instruction, not make an aria.


50 posted on 06/02/2014 7:50:59 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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