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After Pastor's Son Comes Out, Southern Baptist Church Breaks With Denomination on Homosexuality
Christian Post ^ | 06/06/2014 | Morgan Lee

Posted on 06/06/2014 8:50:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

A Southern Baptist church in California has broken with the denomination's stance on homosexuality and has decided to accept the LGBT community without judgment. The church made the change after its lead pastor announced that he no longer holds to the teaching that homosexuality is a sin.

Danny Cortez, who leads New Heart Community Church in La Mirada, explained his journey in a letter to progressive Christian blogger John Shore, founder of Unfundamentalist Christians, last month. At the end of that journey, his son came out to him as gay.

"I recently became gay affirming after a 15-year journey of having multiple people in my congregation come out to me every year," Cortez wrote. After reading many of Shore's writings and hearing testimony from gay friends who felt marginalized, Cortez said his "eyes became open to the injustice that the church has wrought" and in August 2013, he said he "realized I no longer believed in the traditional teachings regarding homosexuality."

Soon after his shift in beliefs, his 15-year-old son, Drew, revealed that he was gay and later came out publicly on YouTube.

Cortez believes that if it wasn't for that 15-year journey and his change in theology, "I may have destroyed my son through reparative therapy."

The California pastor, a graduate of Biola University's Talbot School of Theology, told his congregation in February that he had recently informed the church's elders that he now personally affirmed same-sex relationships.

Cortez explained to his church that his conversations with LGBT members of his congregation over the years had increasingly left him dissatisfied.

"I could feel the dread coming in the person I'm talking to. And I was always wondering why, of all of God's commandments, why is this the one commandment that seemed that it was different that seemed to impart life. And this is the one that created so much self-hatred, this was the sense of people feeling like they were imprisoned. A sentence of life with no chance to love," he said.

The majority of his sermon that day focused on Romans 1, a passage which many Christians interpret as condemning homosexual behavior.

"[Romans 1] wasn't so that we could judge everyone else. Paul, in this magnificent, brilliant, writing style was saying, 'I'm writing all of this, but really I'm getting you to agree with how evil it is and then telling you, guess what? You're just the same way,'" he said. "And therefore, Paul says, 'Don't judge anyone.' And yet we use this Romans 1 as the passage most often to judge all sorts of people."

Cortez also cited Matthew Vines, author of God and the Gay Christian, in his sermon. In his letter to Shore, he also acknowledged that Ken Wilson's book, A Letter to My Congregation, had been influential.

Cortez's announcement, which the pastor acknowledged had frustrated church elders by its abruptness, left many in the church displeased and the church decided to vote on whether to terminate the pastor or accept his proposition.

After a period of prayer, study and discernment, which also included hearing from gay and straight teachers on both sides of the homosexuality debate, the church voted in May not to dismiss Cortez and "instead to become a Third Way church," Cortez explained.

According to Cortez, as a "Third Way" church, the Southern Baptist congregation would "accept the LGBT community even though they may be in a relationship. We will choose to remain the body of Christ and not cast judgement (sic). We will work toward graceful dialogue in the midst of theological differences. We see that this is possible in the same way that our church holds different positions on the issue of divorce and remarriage. In this issue we are able to not cast judgement (sic) in our disagreement."

Those who disagree with the church will formally leave it on June 8.

Al Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, criticized the idea of a church trying to embrace a third way.

"A church will either believe and teach that same-sex behaviors and relationships are sinful, or it will affirm them," Mohler stated Monday, suggesting that Cortez's acknowledgement of church members departing evidenced this. "Eventually, every congregation in America will make a public declaration of its position on this issue. It is just a matter of time (and for most churches, not much time) before every congregation in the nation faces this test."

"Even if it is claimed that some continuing members of the church are in disagreement with the new policy and position, they will be members of a church that operates under that new policy. At the very least, their decision to remain in the congregation is a decision to stay within a church that affirms same-sex behaviors and relationships," he added.

Mohler also pointed to progressive Christian blogger Tony Jones, who disagrees with Mohler's views on homosexuality but has made a similar point to that of his conservative colleague last month.

"I've got a few friends to graciously and tenaciously hang on to the idea that a third way can be found on this issue, a middle ground between affirming gay marriage and condemning it. And I agree with them, to a point. ... Those are practices of a middle ground, but that middle ground is necessarily temporary," wrote Jones on his blog.

Why could this not exist?

According to Jones, there could be no middle ground because the same-sex marriage debate in the church is always determined by practices." He cited as an example the World Vision controversy in March, in which the Christian charity announced that it was changing its employment policy to allow for Christians who are in legal same-sex marriages.

"For three years, the WV board of directors studied and prayed about the issue, and no one complained. But as soon as they decided to institute a new practice — that is, hiring legally married gay persons in their U.S. offices — conservative Christians went postal. Spokesmen tweeted, pastors called, and recording artists threatened. In less than 48 hours, WV reversed their decision," he explained.

Mohler said he believes that New Heart will ultimately be forced to leave the Southern Baptist Convention, given that the "the Baptist Faith & Message, the denomination's confession of faith, states that homosexuality is immoral and that marriage is 'the uniting of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime.'"

"Furthermore, the Convention's constitution states explicitly that any congregation that endorses homosexual behavior is 'not in cooperation with the Convention,' and thus excluded from its membership."

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1 posted on 06/06/2014 8:50:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Not a well-taught church. Sad!


2 posted on 06/06/2014 8:51:21 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

And all true Christians should break with that apostate church.


3 posted on 06/06/2014 8:53:03 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: SeekAndFind
Could you imagine how ridiculous everybody would think it was if a story came out entitled "After Pastor's Son Caught Shoplifting, Southern Baptist Church Breaks With Denomination on Theft"???

Yet, this is no less ridiculous in the eyes of God, but there are many people calling it a noble and courageous....

4 posted on 06/06/2014 8:54:04 AM PDT by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind

Preachers don’t read the Bible anymore, so would they even know?


5 posted on 06/06/2014 8:54:05 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It would appear that God is separating the sheep from the goats.


6 posted on 06/06/2014 8:57:20 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

I think - reflecting on Romans 1 - that the whole gay thing and its growing acceptance in the church is simply God’s judgment. It does seem as if people “can’t change”. Why would that be the case? Well...it seems that God is simply judging this generation for apostasy, and for the worship of man which has been going on for some time.....


7 posted on 06/06/2014 9:04:45 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: SeekAndFind

False Christians are starting to show themselves more and more, just like the Bible predicted 2000 years ago.


8 posted on 06/06/2014 9:05:33 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind; xzins; wagglebee

And if his daughter had told him she was a prostitute he would have changed his views on Adultery.

And if his wife had been picked up for shoplifting he would have changed his views on stealing.

Jesus warned us that there would be times when we would have to choose between our love for our children and our love for Him.

This man’s choice not only put his own eternal life in Jeopardy but also those with whom he was charged with shepherding.

His choice to love his sinful child more than Christ could spell the destruction of both of them as well as many members of his congregation.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be in his shoes at the Judgment. To whom much is given.....


9 posted on 06/06/2014 9:06:38 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: HMS Surprise

A friend in my area (central KY) became the pastor of a local Baptist church. They fired him after a year.

He was trying to teach the bible because of some interesting things he saw. There were elderly members that had attended faithfully their entire lives that didn’t know the difference between the old and new testaments. There were all sorts of whacky beliefs. But they didn’t like what he was teaching.


10 posted on 06/06/2014 9:07:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: ConservativeDude

Yes, I think so. Its the end of a people unwilling to submit to God despite much extended grace.


11 posted on 06/06/2014 9:07:35 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Genoa

Reread the article substituting pedophilia for homosexuality.

A brief, harrowing glimpse into the (not distant) future.


12 posted on 06/06/2014 9:08:20 AM PDT by BlueYonder
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To: circlecity

I keep wondering. The bible says “This generation shall not pass away until all these things come to pass.” And they begin with Israel being re-united.

This happened in 1948 and the average lifespan of a generation, according to the bible, is 70 years.

Just sayin’.


13 posted on 06/06/2014 9:08:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: SeekAndFind

Again, ignorance of this disease-ridden lifestyle, the shortened lifespan, and the vectoring of myriads diseases, often to children, should be considered. Too many people think the issue is about love, when the problem is a monstrous public health issue.


14 posted on 06/06/2014 9:08:52 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: ConservativeDude
"I think - reflecting on Romans 1 - that the whole gay thing and its growing acceptance in the church is simply God’s judgment."

Absolutely. Paul tells us that God's wrath against a people who don't want him is to "give them over" to the full extent of their sinful natures. He then goes on to describe the ugly downward descent the follows. This Pastor's take on Roman's 1 is pure heresy. He is reading into scripture exactly what he wants to be in there.

15 posted on 06/06/2014 9:09:14 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind
"I recently became gay affirming after a 15-year journey of having multiple people in my congregation come out to me every year," Cortez wrote. After reading many of Shore's writings and hearing testimony from gay friends who felt marginalized, Cortez said his "eyes became open to the injustice that the church has wrought" and in August 2013, he said he "realized I no longer believed in the traditional teachings regarding homosexuality."

Then resign from being Pastor. You certainly no longer are one.

16 posted on 06/06/2014 9:09:35 AM PDT by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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To: SeekAndFind
Cortez said his "eyes became open to the injustice that the church has wrought"

Once again we see this openly deceptive tactic of blaming "the church" for a)opposing homosexuality; and, b)falsely equating opposing homosexuality with hating those who have succumbed to this practice.

The reality is that it is the Almighty God who is opposed to the practice of homosexuality and prohibited its practice. It is God who said that those who practice homosexuality and do not repent from this sinful activity, like all sinful behavior, will not receive eternal salvation.

Therefore, what this "pastor" is now openly embracing (the practice of homosexuality) is clearly something God opposes. This pastor blames the church for this "cruelty". This pastor is now paraphrasing the Serpent in the Garden: "Did God really say you shouldn't practice homosexuality?"

17 posted on 06/06/2014 9:14:03 AM PDT by Obadiah (Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: apillar

Great point. Ok, homosexual acts are ok. What’s next? As many have said, polygamy? bestiality? Abortion?

It’s not a slippery slope.

It’s a cliff.

Sin destroys the sinner. And opens the door to new sin.

Will be interesting to see what happens to pastor’s church (term and concept not in scripture).


18 posted on 06/06/2014 9:17:41 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: cuban leaf

As Walter Cronkite could have said “That’s the way it is with Kentuckians”.


19 posted on 06/06/2014 9:18:44 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It appears that homosexuality and same-sex marriages are becoming accepted behavior. The mantra is that we must treat everyone equal. Polygamy cannot be far behind. If we allow two people of the same sex to marry, how can we prohibit two men and a woman or two women and a man to marry? How will this “church” view this behavior?

Once the rudder has been removed, the vessel is at the mercy of the winds and the currents.


20 posted on 06/06/2014 9:22:09 AM PDT by Saltmeat
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To: apillar

Great point. Needs to be emailed to the pastor.


21 posted on 06/06/2014 9:29:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Genoa

Because there is no Authority.

He now believes God accepts homosexual behavior. Who is to tell this pastor what he teaches is wrong?


22 posted on 06/06/2014 9:30:38 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: cuban leaf

Also, consider all the Jewish people from all over the world who have and are now reuniting with their homeland Israel. God’s time clock is running down. Look up and be ready.


23 posted on 06/06/2014 9:31:27 AM PDT by Maudeen ("End Times Warrior - Just a Sinner Saved by Grace")
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To: SeekAndFind

Romans: 1 pastor. Quit now so your congregation can find someone more in line with scripture.

CC


24 posted on 06/06/2014 9:31:31 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: Obadiah

**Cortez said his “eyes became open to the injustice that the church has wrought”**

God will be the judge of justice and injustice.

“Hate the sin; love the sinner.”


25 posted on 06/06/2014 9:31:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Truth may only be found in the Catholic Church.


26 posted on 06/06/2014 9:32:04 AM PDT by impimp
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To: Arlis

**Abortion?**

Already OK with lots of people.


27 posted on 06/06/2014 9:32:17 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Maudeen

Also, consider all the Jewish people from all over the world who have and are now reuniting with their homeland Israel. God’s time clock is running down. Look up and be ready.


The thing is, to anyone that is paying attention, there is no way it could go on much longer. The entire civilized world is at the brink of financial collapse and only “burning the furniture” is keeping us warm. The whole thing is a facade.

And the rise of islam, the acceptance of homosexuality as normal within a single generation, etc.

Clearly something is afoot, and it will not go on indefinitely. It may just be another period like WWI or the Great War, only truly worldwide. Or it may be Ezekiel 39.


28 posted on 06/06/2014 9:36:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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29 posted on 06/06/2014 9:38:22 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: SeekAndFind

Third way? There is only ONE way and it is Jesus!


30 posted on 06/06/2014 9:38:33 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: PGR88

Oh he has authority, he’s not willing to submit. He’s in open rebellion and so are all who remain under his ministry. There’s nothing new under the sun. In Jeremiah’s day the priests prophesied falsely and the people loved it.

Jeremiah 14:14 — “Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”

Jeremiah 5:3 — “The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?”


31 posted on 06/06/2014 9:38:37 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: SeekAndFind

He belongs in California. Stay out there. Stay out of the South.


32 posted on 06/06/2014 9:40:06 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: Saltmeat

RE: It appears that homosexuality and same-sex marriages are becoming accepted behavior.

I think the argument can be summed up thusly ( not my argument but the argument of those who support the gay lifestyle):

“Gays were born that way, just as black people were born that way. Therefore since God Himself made gays that way, we have to accept gays the way they are. Just as it is wrong to discriminate someone because of his skin color, it is also wrong to discriminate against someone because of his/her sexual orientation.”


33 posted on 06/06/2014 9:40:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The circumstances of our lives do not change scripture.


34 posted on 06/06/2014 9:41:12 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: impimp
The Truth may only be found in the Catholic Church.

Now behave! The reformers showed us how to find our truth in the word of God! ;-)
35 posted on 06/06/2014 9:41:40 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: SeekAndFind
A Southern Baptist church in California has broken with the denomination's stance on homosexuality and has decided to accept the LGBT community without judgment. The church made the change after its lead pastor announced that he no longer holds to the teaching that homosexuality is a sin.

Danny Cortez, who leads New Heart Community Church in La Mirada, explained his journey in a letter to progressive Christian blogger John Shore, founder of Unfundamentalist Christians, last month. At the end of that journey, his son came out to him as gay.

The church broke with the SBC's stance. I'd bet the church doesn't stay SBC for much longer.

36 posted on 06/06/2014 9:42:19 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SeekAndFind

You know how in pro-life matters, you want to encourage people to finish the sentence? I.e., pro-choice = pro-choice to abort your unborn child.

We are going to have to do the same thing re: homosexuality. “Coming out” sounds so nice. How about “coming out and saying that you enjoy putting your private parts into receptacles of fecal material”? Or some other less clumsy formulation.

This tide is not going to turn until people are forced to put aside the rainbows and look at the ghastly, unhealthy facts.


37 posted on 06/06/2014 9:45:39 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Something incredibly powerful is moving with this homosexuality push in the last decade. Things are happening with increasing regularity, that just a few years ago no one could have dreamed.

It’s coming to a point where conservatives like here on FR and a few other places are finding themselves in a smaller and smaller minority. Either we have this whole thing all wrong, or the world really is becoming as Satanic and apathetic as is foretold for the end times.

It’s astounding.


38 posted on 06/06/2014 9:45:48 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: P-Marlowe; SeekAndFind; xzins
Jesus warned us that there would be times when we would have to choose between our love for our children and our love for Him.

Excellent point!

Because we are all sinners, we are all going to do things that are in contradiction to God's Law and with what our parents and pastors have taught us. That has NEVER meant that someone should change their definition of sin just because someone they love is guilty of a sin.

Moral relativism is quite possibly Satan's most successful tool since the Garden of Eden.

39 posted on 06/06/2014 9:45:50 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: FourtySeven

Yup. And by the way, it’s the latter.


40 posted on 06/06/2014 9:48:42 AM PDT by Obadiah (Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: apillar

I’ve seen just that thing. A parent will justify their child doing just about anything. There are a number of churches who do not count it as stealing if it is a “poor” person stealing from a “rich” person. They see it as a net good.


41 posted on 06/06/2014 9:49:23 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. For we all stumble in many ways.” —James 3:1-2

“Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” —2 Timothy 2:15

“Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?” —John 3:10

“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master.”
— Matthew 10:24

“You then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal?” —Romans 2:21

“All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness...” — 2 Timothy 3:16


42 posted on 06/06/2014 9:49:41 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would he have engaged in reparative therapy? That’s for the people who have the problem, not the pastor?

Remember, having homosexual feelings is not a sin, in the sense that all of us sin, and all of us have a fallen nature that makes us desire various sinful actions.

Our calling is not to engage in sinful acts. You know, there was a time when we actually married people off to strangers, and somehow they learned to “love” each other after time. People have a remarkable ability to become attached to those who they are not immediately drawn to sexually.

But nowadays, we have been trained by culture that we are supposed to “marry” the person who makes us “hot”, who we can’t resist.

But we are called to resist all sorts of things. If you can’t find a woman who will have sex with you, you are expected not to have sex, so why is it so hard to live by the rule that even if you are sexually attracted to another guy, that doesn’t mean you HAVE to become sexually active with them.

I imagine if the son was not gay, but had decided he really loved a girl who was not a christian, and who didn’t accept marriage, that this guy would have eventually decided that the church view on unequal yoking and on being married before sex were also no longer operative.

Because nobody wants to think their kids are living in sin. But sadly, too many pastors have decided that God is powerless in our lives anymore, and therefore simply can’t believe that God would have the capability to give the grace necessary for people to bear the burdens they are given.

One can only imagine how St. Paul would be treated in the modern society.


43 posted on 06/06/2014 9:49:45 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: SeekAndFind

Matthew 10:37. Believe me, from personal experience it’s not easy, but Jesus expects no less.


44 posted on 06/06/2014 9:49:50 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
One can only imagine how St. Paul would be treated in the modern society.

The same way he was in his own. Times change, humanity never changes.

45 posted on 06/06/2014 9:51:33 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: FourtySeven; P-Marlowe; SeekAndFind; xzins
Either we have this whole thing all wrong, or the world really is becoming as Satanic and apathetic as is foretold for the end times.

There is NO WAY that we've had it wrong for six thousand years.

Sexual relations exist for reproduction, all pleasure derived from sex is secondary. As there can be no reproduction from homosexual activities, it can only follow that God didn't intend for them. Despite the lefts wishes to the contrary, humans are the only creatures that engage is such unnatural acts and that is because we alone have free will and use it to defy God.

46 posted on 06/06/2014 9:52:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
humans are the only creatures that engage in such unnatural acts

You haven't met my neighbor's dog.

47 posted on 06/06/2014 9:57:06 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: FourtySeven

Homosexuality has been a problem since the beginning. What’s different now? For one, the media is composed of the extreme left wing. Also, much of this is a result of our public schools, where the children of this country are brainwashed for 12 or more years, years that are crucial in their development.


48 posted on 06/06/2014 9:58:03 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Saltmeat
Once the rudder has been removed, the vessel is at the mercy of the winds and the currents.

The rudder was removed in 1948 when the Supreme Court elevated the rights of atheists to the same level as those who believe that we are a nation Under God. From that point onward, all sorts of moral relativism has rotted the body politic from the inside. And because Protestantism was the mainstream in America, but has no central teaching authority as does Catholicism, the largest old time Protestant churches -- Episcopal, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist -- have been corroded by the influence of a relativistic society, to the point of becoming agents of the devil. Their founders are spinning in their graves. It's mainly offshoot congregations that are holding to the Bible now.

49 posted on 06/06/2014 10:01:11 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: HMS Surprise
Preachers don’t read the Bible anymore, so would they even know?

Or put another way, 'many preachers today no longer preach the word of GOD'. They seem to make it up as they go along depending on the mood of their following and so long as it get's the coffers filled.

50 posted on 06/06/2014 10:04:26 AM PDT by Ron H. (Impeach, Indict & Imprison the lying thieving criminal Barak Hussein Obama.)
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