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Vatican: prayer with Abbas, Peres opening 'road to peace'
cna ^ | June 6, 2014 | Elise Harris

Posted on 06/07/2014 5:28:35 AM PDT by NYer

Pope Francis prays during his General Audience on Sept. 25, 2013. Credit: Elise Harris/CNA
Pope Francis prays during his General Audience on Sept. 25, 2013. Credit: Elise Harris/CNA

Vatican City, Jun 6, 2014 / 08:56 am (CNA/EWTN News).- The Vatican has released the details for Sunday’s prayer between Pope Francis and the Israeli and Palestinian presidents, stating that although peace will not be immediate, it’s a starting point.

“The intent of this encounter is to open the road to peace,” Fr. Pierbattista Pizzaballa O.F.M., Guardian of the Holy Land, revealed to journalists in a June 6 press conference, telling CNA that “My hope is that this event will help to bring a new atmosphere in the Middle East.”

Speaking to other journalists, he explained that “the goal is not to change dramatically the peace process in the Middle East, but to bring back in the atmosphere among the people in the Middle East the desire, the real desire for peace.”

Detailing the itinerary for the prayer, Vatican spokesman Fr. Federico Lombardi S.J. stated that Presidents Shimon Peres of Israel and Mahmoud Abbas of Palestine will arrive to the Vatican within a few minutes of each other, and will meet Pope Francis and Patriarch Bartolomeo I of Constantinople at the pontiff’s residence in the Saint Martha guesthouse.

Afterward the four will travel together by car to the Vatican Gardens, where a brief explanation of the celebration will be given in English.

The prayer, the spokesman noted, will be divided into three parts following the chronological order of the three faiths: Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Beginning around 7 p.m., the first part of the prayer will be recited in Hebrew, honoring the Jewish faith. It will include an initial prayer, a brief musical interlude, a prayer of forgiveness, a second musical interlude, a prayer invoking peace, and finally a Jewish musical meditation.

The second part of the prayer, dedicated to Christianity, will follow the same structure, and will be recited in English, Italian and Arabic. The third part, honoring the Muslim community, will only be said in Arabic.

Following the three parts of the prayer, Pope Francis will give a discourse invoking peace, and then invite the Israeli and Palestinian leaders to give their own, beginning with Shimon Peres, who will be followed by Mahmoud Abbas.

After giving the speeches, the Pope and the presidents, along with Patriarch Bartolomeo I, will exchange a sign of peace in shaking hands. Pope Francis and the two presidents will then plant an olive tree together as a symbol of peace.

Concluding the celebration, the four will stand side-by-side as the delegations of each come to greet them, and will then travel to the Casina Pio IV nearby for a private discussion, after which the presidents will depart for their own residences, while the Pope and Bartolomeo I go to Saint Martha’s.


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1 posted on 06/07/2014 5:28:35 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Prayer for peace service in the Vatican Gardens, ping!


2 posted on 06/07/2014 5:29:12 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

With God’s Grace, peace can happen.


3 posted on 06/07/2014 5:31:42 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: NYer

I prefer Pope Urban II’s approach.


4 posted on 06/07/2014 5:36:12 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: NYer
"Beginning around 7 p.m., the first part of the prayer will be recited in Hebrew, honoring the Jewish faith. It will include an initial prayer, a brief musical interlude, a prayer of forgiveness, a second musical interlude, a prayer invoking peace, and finally a Jewish musical meditation.

The second part of the prayer, dedicated to Christianity, will follow the same structure, and will be recited in English, Italian and Arabic. The third part, honoring the Muslim community, will only be said in Arabic."


Does ANYONE understand the term "taqiyya" -- that muslims are permitted to lie to non-muslims to advance islam?

See http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm

Why is the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy being taken in by this crap? Why in God's name are they allowing the Muslim prayer only in Arabic -- so that no non-muslims can hear the deceitful words of this "religious system" that supports slavery, misogyny, and pedophilic behavior?
5 posted on 06/07/2014 5:44:41 AM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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It's significant that long time radical leftist and peacenik activist Shimon Peres is participating in the prayer ceremony with the Pope...while Bibi is nowhere to be seen.

Peres, by the way, is a first cousin to Lauren Bacall (born Betty Perske). He is leaving the Israeli presidency this month....thankfully.

Leni

6 posted on 06/07/2014 5:45:41 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: NYer

Sumpin ain’t right..


7 posted on 06/07/2014 6:04:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: NYer

I want to know how prayers from non-Christians are supposed to work. Neither Jews nor Muslims believe in Christ Jesus, the only mediator between God and man.


8 posted on 06/07/2014 6:30:32 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: NYer

I doubt it.


9 posted on 06/07/2014 6:39:58 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: NYer

Prayers for peace never hurt. But I’m not feeling hopeful.


10 posted on 06/07/2014 6:53:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Prayers for peace never hurt. But I’m not feeling hopeful. Maybe WE need to be praying for Pope Francis.


11 posted on 06/07/2014 6:54:03 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

The only road to peace is through the Messiah of Israel...

But in a counterfeit world run by satanic powers and principalities, interfaith unity is the world’s answer to The Way, Truth and Life..

But hey,who are we to judge? :)


12 posted on 06/07/2014 7:01:44 AM PDT by delchiante
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Francis and Four Points of Apostate Action: Islamic prayers to be held at the Vatican
13 posted on 06/07/2014 12:18:38 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
This Sunday, June 8, Pope Francis will allow for the first time in history Islamic prayers from the Quoran to be recited at the Vatican.

First of all, the prayer service will take place in the Vatican Gardens. The "Vatican" is a state. Other Muslims have toured the Vatican and probably offered up prayers; we know of one who attended a prayer service last year in St. Peter's Square. So, this is not the first time.

Which readings and prayers from the Quoran will be read? Where are these listed?

14 posted on 06/07/2014 1:54:53 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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Full text of Pentecost Sunday’s “Invocation for Peace” in the Vatican

In the sacred languages of Hebrew, Arabic, Italian, and English, with His Holiness Pope Francis, the President of the State of Israel, the President of the Palestinian National Authority, and other guests.

INVOCATION FOR PEACE
Vatican Gardens, 8 June 2014
INTRODUCTION
Musical meditation.
Announcement
May the Lord give you peace!
We have gathered here, Israelis and Palestinians, Jews, Christians and Muslims, so that each of us can offer his or her own that each of us can express his or her desire for peace for the Holy Land and for all who dwell there.
Together with Pope Francis, who greatly desired this moment, Patriarch Bartholomaios of Constantinople and all those present, Presidents Shimon Peres and Mahmoud Abbas will join in this calling, voicing the desire of their respective peoples to invoke to God the common longing for peace.
This evening’s meeting will consist of three parts, followed by a conclusion.
Each part will be devoted to an invocation by one of the three religious communities, in chronological order: Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Each part will itself unfold in three moments. The first moment will consist of an expression of praise to God for his gift of creation, and for his having created us as members of the human family.
In the second moment, we will ask pardon from God for the times we have failed to act as brothers and sisters, and for our sins against him and against our fellow men and women.
In the third moment, we will ask God to grant the gift of peace to the Holy Land and to enable us to be peacemakers.
Each of these three moments will be framed by a brief musical interlude. A musical meditation will conclude each of the three main parts.

FIRST MOMENT
JEWISH COMMUNITY
Prayer
(in Hebrew)
Psalm 8
To the leader: according to The Gittith. A Psalm of David.
O LORD, our Sovereign,
how majestic is your name in all the earth!
You have set your glory above the heavens.
Out of the mouths of babes and infants
you have founded a bulwark because of your foes,
to silence the enemy and the avenger.
When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars that you have established;
what are human beings that you are mindful of them,
mortals that you care for them?
Yet you have made them a little lower than God,
and crowned them with glory and honor.
You have given them dominion over the works of your hands;
you have put all things under their feet,
all sheep and oxen,
and also the beasts of the field,
the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea,
whatever passes along the paths of the seas.
O LORD, our Sovereign,
how majestic is your name in all the earth!
Psalm 147
Praise the LORD!
How good it is to sing praises to our God;
for he is gracious, and a song of praise is fitting.
The LORD builds up Jerusalem;
he gathers the outcasts of Israel.
He heals the brokenhearted,
and binds up their wounds.
He determines the number of the stars;
he gives to all of them their names.
Great is our Lord, and abundant in power;
his understanding is beyond measure.
The LORD lifts up the downtrodden;
he casts the wicked to the ground.

Sing to the LORD with thanksgiving;
make melody to our God on the lyre.
He covers the heavens with clouds,
prepares rain for the earth,
makes grass grow on the hills.
He gives to the animals their food,
and to the young ravens when they cry.
His delight is not in the strength of the horse,
nor his pleasure in the speed of a runner;
but the LORD takes pleasure in those who fear him,
in those who hope in his steadfast love.

Praise the LORD, O Jerusalem!
Praise your God, O Zion!
For he strengthens the bars of your gates;
he blesses your children within you.
He grants peace within your borders;
he fills you with the finest of wheat.
He sends out his command to the earth;
his word runs swiftly.
He gives snow like wool;
he scatters frost like ashes.
He hurls down hail like crumbs—
who can stand before his cold?
He sends out his word, and melts them;
he makes his wind blow, and the waters flow.
He declares his word to Jacob,
his statutes and ordinances to Israel.
He has not dealt thus with any other nation;
they do not know his ordinances.
Praise the LORD!
Brief musical interlude.
Prayer
(in Hebrew)
Psalm 25
To you, O LORD, I lift up my soul.
O my God, in you I trust;
do not let me be put to shame;
do not let my enemies exult over me.
Do not let those who wait for you be put to shame;
let them be ashamed who are wantonly treacherous.
Make me to know your ways, O LORD;
teach me your paths.
Lead me in your truth, and teach me,
for you are the God of my salvation;
for you I wait all day long.
Be mindful of your mercy, O LORD,
and of your steadfast love,
for they have been from of old.
Do not remember the sins of my youth or my transgressions;
according to your steadfast love remember me,
for your goodness’ sake, O LORD!
Good and upright is the LORD;
therefore he instructs sinners in the way.
He leads the humble in what is right,
and teaches the humble his way.
All the paths of the LORD are steadfast love and faithfulness,
for those who keep his covenant and his decrees.
For your name’s sake, O LORD,
pardon my guilt, for it is great.
Who are they that fear the LORD?
He will teach them the way that they should choose.
They will abide in prosperity,
and their children shall possess the land.
The friendship of the LORD is for those who fear him,
and he makes his covenant known to them.
My eyes are ever toward the LORD,
for he will pluck my feet out of the net.
Turn to me and be gracious to me,
for I am lonely and afflicted.
Relieve the troubles of my heart,
and bring me out of my distress.
Consider my affliction and my trouble,
and forgive all my sins.
Consider how many are my foes,
and with what violent hatred they hate me.
O guard my life, and deliver me;
do not let me be put to shame, for I take refuge in you.
May integrity and uprightness preserve me,
for I wait for you.
Redeem Israel, O God,
out of all its troubles.
Psalm 130
A Song of Ascents.
Out of the depths I cry to you, O LORD.
Lord, hear my voice!
Let your ears be attentive
to the voice of my supplications!
If you, O LORD, should mark iniquities,
Lord, who could stand?
But there is forgiveness with you,
so that you may be revered.
I wait for the LORD, my soul waits,
and in his word I hope;
my soul waits for the LORD
more than those who watch for the morning,
more than those who watch for the morning.
O Israel, hope in the LORD!
For with the LORD there is steadfast love,
and with him is great power to redeem.
It is he who will redeem Israel
from all its iniquities.
Prayer from the Yom Kippur
(Day of Atonement) service
Your servant David said before you: “Who may discern errors? Cleanse me from hidden faults”. Cleanse us, O Lord our God from all our transgressions, purify us from our impurity and cast pure water on us and purify us, as is written by Your prophets: “I will cast clean water upon you, and you shall be cleansed from all your impurities and from all your contamination I will purify you”. And it is said: “Take words with you and return to the Lord; say to him, “Take away all guilt; accept that which is good, and we will offer up the fruit of our lips.” You are merciful, accepting those who turn back to You, and with regard to repentance You promised from the beginning , and with regard to repentance, our eyes look hopefully to You. And out of Your love or us, O Lord our God, who loved Israel Your people in Your mercy, and in Your compassion with which, You had compassion on the children of Your covenant, You granted us forgiveness of sin and the pardon of transgression and the atonement of iniquity.
Brief musical interlude.
Prayer
(in Hebrew)
Prayer of Nahman of Breslav
Lord of Peace,
Divine Ruler, to whom peace belongs!
Maker of Peace,
Creator of all things!
May it be Your will to put an end to war
and bloodshed in the world,
and to spread a great and wonderful peace over the whole world,
so that nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war anymore.
Help us and save us all,
Let us merit to cling tightly to the virtue of peace.
Let there be a truly great peace
between every person and his fellow,
and between husband and wife,
and let there be no division among people not even in the heart.
Let every person love peace and pursue peace
Always in truth and integrity
Let us never cling to division
Not even when it comes to those who do not agree with us.
Let us never shame any person on earth,
great or small
And may we merit to truly keep the commandment
to “love your neighbor as yourself,”
with an entire heart, body, soul and possessions.
And let what is written be fulfilled in us:
“I will grant peace in the land,
and you shall lie down, and no one shall make you afraid;
I will remove dangerous animals from the land,
and no sword shall go through your land.”
God who is peace, bless us with peace!
Prayer for Peace from the Daily Service
Grant peace,
goodness, blessing, grace, lovingkindness, and mercy;
on us and all your people Israel and on the world.
Bless us all as one by the light
of Your countenance our Father.
For by the light of Your countenance,
You have given us O Lord our God,
a Torah of Life, loving kindness,
and righteousness and blessing
and mercy and life and peace.
May it be Your will to bless us all with Your Peace.
Jewish musical meditation.

SECOND MOMENT
CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY
Prayer
Psalm 8
A reading from the Book of Isaiah 65:17-25
For I am about to create new heavens and a new earth; the former things shall not be remembered or come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I am creating; for I am about to create Jerusalem as a joy, and its people as a delight. I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and delight in my people; no more shall the sound of weeping be heard in it, or the cry of distress. No more shall there be in it an infant that lives but a few days, or an old person who does not live out a lifetime; for one who dies at a hundred years will be considered a youth, and one who falls short of a hundred will be considered accursed. They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit. They shall not build and another inhabit; they shall not plant and another eat; for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be, and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labor in vain, or bear children for calamity; for they shall be offspring blessed by the Lord—and their descendants as well. Before they call I will answer, while they are yet speaking I will hear. The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, the lion shall eat straw like the ox; but the serpent— its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain, says the Lord.
Pause in silence.
Let us pray:
Almighty God and Father,
we gather here together,
we, your children, Jews, Christians and Muslims,
all recognizing you as our Creator.
We come to give you thanks
for the beauty and wonder of Your creation.
It is You, Creator God, Father of us all,
who has placed us in the Holy Land,
especially blessed among all the lands
because there the history of our salvation has unfolded.
May our shared thanksgiving for all Your blessings remind us
that we are brothers and sisters,
beloved of One God our Father,
through Christ our Lord.
Amen.
Brief musical interlude.
Prayer
(in Italian)
A reading from the prayer of Saint John Paul II

Let us turn with trust to God our Father,
who is merciful and compassionate,
slow to anger, great in love and fidelity,
and ask him to accept the repentance of his people
who humbly confess their sins,
and to grant them mercy.

Let us pray that contemplating Jesus,
our Lord and our Peace,
Christians will be able to repent
of the words and attitudes
caused by pride, by hatred,
by the desire to dominate others,
by enmity towards members of other religions
and towards the weakest groups in society,
such as immigrants and itinerants.
Let us pray for all those who have suffered offences
against their human dignity
and whose rights have been trampled.

Pause in silence.

Most merciful Father,
your Son, Jesus Christ, the judge of the living and the dead,
in the humility of his first coming
redeemed humanity from sin
and in his glorious return he will demand
an account of every sin.
Grant that our forebears, our brothers and sisters,
and we, your servants, who by the grace of the Holy Spirit
turn back to you in whole-hearted repentance,
may experience your mercy and receive
the forgiveness of our sins.
We ask this through Christ our Lord.
Amen.
Pause in silence.
Let us pray:
Almighty God and Father,
give us the grace to come before you in humility
and beg your forgiveness for our offenses
against You and our brothers and sisters.
We have not been custodians of Your creation
and especially in Your Holy Land we have waged wars,
engaged in violence,
taught contempt for our brothers and sisters
and thus deeply offended You, Father of us all.
Give us the grace to recommit ourselves to “do justice,
and to love kindness,
and to walk humbly with your God” (Micah 6:8)
through Christ our Lord.
Amen.
Brief musical interlude.
Prayer
(in Arabic)
A reading from the prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi
Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace;
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is discord, harmony;
Where there is error, truth;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
And where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master, Grant that I may not so much seek
To be consoled as to console;
To be understood as to understand;
To be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
Pause in silence.
Let us pray:
Almighty God and Father,
gathered here together we ask You
to make us instruments of Your peace,
seeking justice, agents of pardon
and builders of reconciliation.
Open our hearts to be filled with Your spirit,
open our eyes to see Your image in everyone we meet,
open our hands to join with those of our brother and sisters
to build together a world in which all can live in peace.
Pour down your blessing on the Holy Land,
so that from there this peace
can spread to the ends of the earth,
in the name of Christ our Lord.
Amen.
Christian musical meditation.
THIRD MOMENT
MUSLIM COMMUNITY
Prayer
(in Arabic)
Praise be to God, who created the heavens and the earth, made darkness and light, brought everything out of nothing, created us as the best part of creation, formed us in the best of forms, bestowing on us hearing, sight, intelligence, and heart. Blessed be God, best of creators.
Oh God, to you all praise, O Lord, to you all praise, O Creator of the heavens and the earth, O You who know the unknown and the manifest, O Lord of everything and its sovereign, we testify that there is no god but You alone and You have no partner, we seek refuge in You from the evil in ourselves and the evil of Satan, his partners, his godlessness and his whispering, and we seek refuge in You from godlessness and want, and we seek refuge in You so that we do not bring evil upon ourselves or bring it upon anyone else.
O God, to You all praise, much praise, good and blessed, we praise You for all the grace bestowed upon us, seen and unseen, in religion or in the world, for Your graces cannot be counted or calculated, and we ask You, our Lord, that they last forever, be preserved and blessed, and that they might help us to remember You, thank You and worship You better, until we worship You, remember You and thank You as You desire, and to You all praise, O Lord, as befits the splendor of Your face and the greatness of Your power.
O God, You are all able and we are unable, You possess all and we have nothing, You know all and we know nothing, You know hidden things, we praise You, we thank You for all that You have showered upon us and all You have done so well for us in religion and in this world, to You praise, our Lord, in first things and in the hereafter, to You praise in good times and bad, to You praise until You are gratified and to You praise when You are satisfied, to You praise after satisfaction, there is no power and no strength but in You.
Brief musical interlude.
Prayer
(in Arabic)
O God, our Lord and our God there is no god but You, You created us and we are Your servants, and we are committed to You as best we can, we take our refuge in You from the evil we have done, we return to You by the grace You bestow on us, and we return from our transgressions and our sins, forgive us, for there is no one who forgives sins except You.
O God, our Lord, God whose name is sanctified in the heavens, Your command is in the heavens and on earth, as Your mercy is in the heavens, so let Your mercy be manifest on earth, forgive us our transgressions and our sins, You are the Lord of those who are good, pour down upon us Your mercy, Your pardon, Your goodness and Your healing, Most Merciful of the merciful.
O God, inspire us to tell the truth, to do good, to instruct in virtue, to put an end to what is forbidden, seeking Your generous face, O Master of splendor and honor, so that we do only good for the good of all, all people, removing injustice from the oppressed, so that we may receive Your mercy which encompasses all things, and help us, O Lord, to do right with what is right, in matters of justice and charity, and put an end to indecency, all that is forbidden, evil, injustice and aggression.
O God, we seek refuge in You from going astray or being led astray, from slipping or causing others to slip, from doing wrong or suffering wrong, from committing aggression or having aggression committed against us, forgive us for whatever sins we have committed in all of this, O Most Merciful of the merciful, for our hope is in Your mercy, and we fear Your retribution, do not put us among the unjust violent ones, O Lord of the worlds, help us to come to the assistance of the unjustly oppressed, so that we are granted in this Your mercy, Your pardon and Your satisfaction.
Brief musical interlude.
Prayer
(in Arabic)
Praise to God, merciful, compassionate, king, holy, peace, faith, sovereign, precious, mighty, proud, creator, maker, former.
O God, You are peace, and peace is from You, and to You peace returns, You are blessed and You are glorified, O Master of splendor and honor, inspire us, O Lord, with peace and reveal to us peace and make us dwellers in the realm of peace, among those who do not live in fear or sorrow.
O God, we seek refuge in You from injustice and oppression, from illegitimate aggression, and we ask You, our Lord, to make us rightly guided, not going astray nor leading astray, believing in You and trusting in You, guide us, O Lord, to the most preferred of words, guide us, O Lord, to the most perfect of acts, guide us, O Lord, to the best of morals, for no one can guide to this except You, and You are able to do all things.
O God, make us, O Lord, keys to all that is good, locks to all that is evil, we ask of You what is good and proper, that You provide us with safety, peace, security and faith, for us and for our peoples, our families, our fathers and mothers, our sons and daughters, and for all humanity and all nations, and all creatures in Your great creation, give us, O Lord, in this world good, and in the Hereafter good, and protect us from the torment of the fire.
O God, bring about peace in the land of peace, O Master of splendor and honor, and remove injustice against the oppressed in this land, feed its people who hunger, and secure them against fear, and keep them from evil and evil doers, from unjust aggressors, O Lord of the Worlds.
Muslim musical meditation.
FINAL MOMENT
Announcement
Let us now listen to the words of Pope Francis, followed by those of the two Presidents, each calling for peace for peace.
The two Presidents and the Holy Father will conclude by shaking hands and by planting a small olive tree together as an enduring symbol of the mutual desire for peace between the Israeli and Palestinian peoples.
Invocation of the Holy Father Francis
Invocation of President Peres
Invocation of President Mahmoud Abbas

Sign of Peace

[Source: Bollettino. Incidentally, it is rather sad to see the French post-Romantic prayer once again mistakenly attributed to Saint Francis of Assisi. It is possible that this could be the first time public Islamic prayers are said in the Vatican since the Muslim raids of A.D. 846, in which Old Saint Peter’s on Vatican Hill was sacked and occupied.]
Labels: Bergoglian Milestones, Interreligious moments, The Bergoglio Pontificate
Posted by New Catholic at 6/07/2014 12:54:00 PM
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15 posted on 06/07/2014 2:16:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NYer
First of all, the prayer service will take place in the Vatican Gardens.

Do you think they'll pray in this part of the Vatican Gardens?

Or do you think the Jesuit Pope might cover the statue just like his Jesuit brethren covered up "INRI" at Georgetown University when Obama visited?

16 posted on 06/07/2014 2:28:25 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Thank you for posting these prayers. Where is your disagreement with any of them?


17 posted on 06/07/2014 2:51:05 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: ebb tide
Do you think they'll pray in this part of the Vatican Gardens?

Well, here is a map of the extensive Vatican Gardens. Do you have some insight into where the prayer service will take place?

Or do you think the Jesuit Pope might cover the statue just like his Jesuit brethren covered up "INRI" at Georgetown University when Obama visited?

Many years ago, a professional psychotherapist noted that "sarcasm is cloaked aggression". Your comment proves this assertion.

18 posted on 06/07/2014 3:00:45 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

You asked for the prayers; I provided them for you and the source.

You have not thanked me; yet you accuse me of being sarcastic instead.

Don’t ask me for anything else.


19 posted on 06/07/2014 3:04:56 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NYer

I retract the last post to you and apologize. I now see you did thank me.

My problem with the prayers is that the Jewish and Muslim prayers are to false gods; neither religion recognizes Jesus Christ as God and neither recognizes the Holy Trinity.


20 posted on 06/07/2014 3:08:08 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NYer

I’m feeling much more hopeful after seeing the prayers.

What is dismaying is that people do not realize that there are three monotheistic (belief in one God) religions.
1. Judaism
2. Catholicism
3. Islam

They may use different names to address God, for example, YHWH, Lord, Allah, but they all believe in only one God.


21 posted on 06/07/2014 3:20:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; NYer

Did you notice that the Catholic prayers only reference Jesus Christ as our lord or “God’s son”, but never as God. That even though the Holy Spirit is mentioned, there is no mention of the Holy Trinity? And there is no mention of the Blessed Mother?


22 posted on 06/07/2014 3:34:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Salvation

Satanists also monotheistics; they believe in one God and they hate Him. They worship Lucifer like other religions.

What’s your point?


23 posted on 06/07/2014 3:38:52 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; Salvation
Did you notice that the Catholic prayers only reference Jesus Christ as our lord or “God’s son”, but never as God.

Only reference? Jesus IS the Son of God. In so stating this FACT, the prayer stands in stark contrast with the beliefs of both Judaism and Islam, both of which reject that title.

24 posted on 06/07/2014 5:18:08 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

No it doesn’t. The prayer never mentions that Jesus is God, nor does it mention that the Holy Ghost is God.

Francis tailored his prayers to not offend his infidel visitors. Just like he refused to give a public blessing for fear of offending non-believers upon his installation.

Some successor of Peter he is!


25 posted on 06/07/2014 6:46:47 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NYer
"For the first time in history, Islamic prayers and readings from the Quran will be heard at the Vatican on Sunday"
"Out of respect for Jewish religious culture, the gathering will not be held in a venue dedicated to prayer but in an unadorned garden at the Vatican."

Islamic prayers asked into the Vatican.

This is quite a territorial coup for Islam, they must be ecstatic.

26 posted on 06/07/2014 7:04:16 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: NYer

Peace won’t happen until Jesus returns.


27 posted on 06/07/2014 7:10:57 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: ebb tide; Salvation
No it doesn’t.

Are you now claiming that Judaism and Islam recognize Jesus as the Son of God?

Francis tailored his prayers to not offend his infidel visitors.

Yet another absurd and ridiculous assertion! The Nicene Creed begins with the words: "We believe in one God"; Judaism believes in one God and Islam believes in one God. The Holy Trinity - Three Persons in One God. How in the world can anyone explain that? The answer is that we in this world cannot. It is a mystery beyond our comprehension. How can there be three separate persons- The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost - but yet still all be the same God? This is truly a question that we take on faith as Catholics, because our limited human brains simply cannot understand it.

This is a prayer service, not a theology class.

28 posted on 06/07/2014 9:15:27 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: ansel12
Islamic prayers asked into the Vatican.

You understand, of course, that "the Vatican" is a state. The prayer service will take place in the gardens, not inside the basilica. There are muslim tourists who visit the Vatican and offer up prayers all the time. Last year, a muslim attended a peace prayer service that was held in St. Peter's Square. I doubt he was reciting the "Our Father".

29 posted on 06/07/2014 9:18:31 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

I understand what the entire world’s Muslims will understand.

Islamic prayers formally asked into the Vatican in a ceremonial reciting of Quran scripture to the Pope and the Jews, and televised.

This is an incredible territorial coup for Islam.


30 posted on 06/07/2014 9:25:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: NYer

Why don’t you quote the full Nicene Creed and then tell any fool that’ll believe you that Jews and Muslims believe in the same God as that in the Creed?

Ask a Jew or a Muslim to recite the Nicene Creed. See what response you’ll get.

Maybe a few people need a couple of theology classes before they call for sacrilegious prayer services with infidels. It would do them good.


31 posted on 06/07/2014 9:54:41 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NYer
The prayer service will take place in the gardens, not inside the basilica.

Once again consider illicit teenage sex in the backyard rather than defiling the parents' bedroom.

32 posted on 06/07/2014 9:57:41 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; NYer; ebb tide; ansel12; Old Yeller; Salvation; delchiante; .45 Long Colt; ...

Maybe at least some of the hostilities between the “big three” represented here is because each don’t feel that the other two take their faith seriously and have a derisive, dismissive attitude. Arguably petty and childish if true but maybe this is the reality here.

So while a good theological argument can be made by proponents of any side that members of any two are not praying to the “same god”, maybe that’s not the most important point here. Maybe while the prayers to the one true God are shouldered by one, the other two benefit (without realizing it) and all three come to a better understanding that despite the differences everyone is serious about peace.

Maybe that’s the benefit here, rather than ensuring all three are praying to the one true God. Because really, was that ever going to happen? Is the impossibility of that, a reason not to do it?


33 posted on 06/08/2014 4:00:33 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: ansel12; ebb tide; Salvation
Islamic prayers formally asked into the Vatican in a ceremonial reciting of Quran scripture

Perhaps you missed the earlier comment posted by freeper ebb tide that lists the prayers. The Jewish community prayers listed include Psalm 8, Psalm 25, and Psalm 130, The Christian community prayers include Psalm 8, a prayer of St. JPII, and the Prayer of St. Francis. The Muslim community prayers, according to those listed, do not include any recitations from the Quran. Perhaps you have a different source to support your statement?

34 posted on 06/08/2014 5:18:55 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

It is stated in many sources, including Muslim and Fox Nation and if it ins’t accurate it also isn’t important, whether it turns out to be directly from the Quran or not doesn’t change anything whatsoever.

You can think that this isn’t a first if you want, but the global Muslims will see it as a victory and a first, a territorial gain, evidence of conquest.


35 posted on 06/08/2014 8:23:38 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12
You can think that this isn’t a first if you want, but the global Muslims will see it as a victory and a first, a territorial gain, evidence of conquest.

God willing, the Muslims will look at all those gathered in prayer today - Jews, Catholics, Orthodox, christians and representatives from their Muslim community, and join their prayers, like you and me, with theirs, for Peace in the Holy Land.

This is the Feast of Pentecost, the descent of the Holy Spirit. May these prayers rise like incense and may God send His Spirit to open the hearts of all mankind.

36 posted on 06/08/2014 10:31:23 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: ebb tide

Actually they are using a part of the gardens that have no religious symbols.


37 posted on 06/08/2014 11:07:28 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: NYer

Don’t speak for me, and especially not in bold.

The Catholic denomination’s leadership has given the Muslims a major victory, an historical breakthrough.

The Pope’s request to hear Islamic prayer in the Vatican, is a first.


38 posted on 06/08/2014 11:07:41 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ebb tide

The pre-V2 popes and martyrs are “turning in their graves”.

What is happening today on the Feast of Pentecost is a travesty make no mistake about it.

May God have mercy on us all. The end can’t be too far off.


39 posted on 06/08/2014 11:36:35 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

Yes, it’s extremely disturbing that this pope chose Pentecost Sunday to not proclaim the One True Faith, but rather, participated in blasphemous interreligious prayer.

>>HISTORICAL NOTE FOR PENTECOST
from the St. Andrews Daily Missal (1937)

Before His ascension into heaven, our Lord charges His apostles “that they
should not depart from Jerusalem, but should wait for the promise of the
Father”, the out pouring of the Holy Ghost. On their return from the mount
of Olives, the disciples, numbering about one hundred and twenty, went back
to the Cenacle, where they all “were persevering in one mind in prayer with
the women, and Mary the Mother of Jesus”.

After this novena, the most solemn ever made, occurred the miraculous
descent of the Holy Spirit, which by divine Providence, coincided with the
Jewish feast of Pentecost among the Israelites. This “most solemn and most
holy day” was the anniversary of the promulgation of the Law on mount
Sinai. Consequently a considerable number of foreigners who had flocked to
Jerusalem from all parts, were witnesses of the coming of the Holy Ghost.

“It was nine o’clock in the morning, when suddenly there came a sound from
heaven, as of a mighty wind coming, and it filled the whole house where
they were sitting. And there appeared to them parted tongues as of fire;
and it sat upon every one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy
Ghost and they began to speak with divers tongues, according as the Holy
Ghost gave them to speak.”

Thus, “endued with power from on high,” the Church began at Jerusalem the
work of the Apostolate entrusted to her by her divine Lord. Peter, the
chief of the apostles, first addressed the assembly, and become already
“fisher of men”, brought by the first cast of his net, about three thousand
converts into the infant Church. On the following days the twelve met in
the Temple under Solomon’s porch, and like their divine Master, preached
the Gospel and healed the sick. Thus, “the multitude of men and women who
believed in the Lord, was more increased”.

Subsequently, spreading in all directions outside Judea, the apostles went
forth to proclaim Christ and to give the Holy Ghost to the Samaritans and
then to the Gentiles everywhere.

COMMENTARY ON THE GOSPEL
(John xiv. 23-31) for Pentecost Sunday
from the St. Andrews Daily Missal (1937)

“This is the day,” says St. Gregory, “on which the Holy Ghost descended
upon the apostles, and changing the hearts of those carnally minded men,
led them to the love of Himself. While the tongues of fire appeared
externally, the hearts of the disciples were enkindled within, and as they
beheld God under the appearance of fire, they became aflame with love
together with unspeakable sweetness of soul. For the Holy Ghost is love,
and therefore St. John says : “God is Charity.” Now love is proved by
action. St. John says again : “Whosoever says: I love God, and does not
keep his commandments, is a liar.” Our love for God is genuine if we resist
the attractions of pleasure in order to obey Him, and anyone who goes on
devoting himself to pleasure does not truly love God, since he acts
contrary to His will. Do not think, then, that you love Him unless you
prove it by good works. Let your speech, your mind, your whole life be
consecrated to the quest for God’s love, for in that love inertia has no
place” (Homily at Matins).

Christ was the model of this love, since He always did what His Father
commanded.<<


40 posted on 06/08/2014 12:43:47 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NYer; All
On this feast of Pentecost pray for peace!


41 posted on 06/08/2014 1:18:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piusv; NYer

It's no wonder that Pope John Paul II had to come up with his own catechism to justify Assisi's I & II.

42 posted on 06/08/2014 4:14:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Ouch.


43 posted on 06/08/2014 4:18:33 PM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

Nice ... why not delve back deeper into history and cite some quotes from Pius V.


44 posted on 06/08/2014 4:23:59 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: ebb tide

Come to think of it, the JPII Catechism doesn’t speak of taking part in non-Catholic worship at all, does it?


45 posted on 06/08/2014 4:30:28 PM PDT by piusv
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To: NYer; piusv

What about Pope St. Pius V? He strongly promoted the Catechism of the Council of Trent and he published it.

http://books.google.com/books?id=a-8LAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Pope+Pius+V%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9_KUU7-_OM22yASUsIHYCA&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false


46 posted on 06/08/2014 4:40:09 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; NYer

Uh yeah, I’m a bit confused why someone would suggest looking at Pius V’s quotes “earlier in history” when he was Pope at the same time as the Council of Trent.


47 posted on 06/08/2014 4:47:06 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

A lot of novus ordo Catholics don’t know much Church history prior to VCII, aka, the New Springtime, the New Pentecost, etc.


48 posted on 06/08/2014 4:49:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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