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Osteen meets with Pope Francis at Vatican
The Houston Chronicle ^ | June 6, 2014 | Carol Christian

Posted on 06/07/2014 10:10:30 AM PDT by Gamecock

....Joel Osteen, the pastor of Houston's Lakewood Church, was meeting Thursday with Pope Francis at the Vatican.

Osteen said Friday it was a great honor to represent the pastors of America in the meeting with the pontiff, whom he described as warm, personable and full of joy.

"I like the fact that this pope is trying to make the church larger, not smaller," Osteen said. "He's not pushing people out but making the church more inclusive. That resonated with me."

"We had very little time with him," Osteen said. "We were going to have more time, but a cardinal died that morning."

As part of a visit to promote interfaith understanding and ecumenical prayer, the meeting with Pope Francis was arranged by The International Foundation, a private nonprofit organization, Lee told the Deseret News.

More than 50,000 charismatic Roman Catholics also attended the convocation, during which the pope knelt on the ground to pray...

The day before the meeting with Pope Francis, Osteen said, he attended Mass in St. Peter's Square with 100,000 people.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: joelosteen; popefrancis; vatican; ybpdln

1 posted on 06/07/2014 10:10:30 AM PDT by Gamecock
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***As part of a visit to promote interfaith understanding and ecumenical prayer***

With Muslims and Osteen?


2 posted on 06/07/2014 10:11:27 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock

This is a sad development. Muslims and Osteen and all other pretenders must be kicked off the grounds of the Vatican. Benedict XVI would have had no time for these low-IQ pastors and pedophile “prophet’s” religion.


3 posted on 06/07/2014 10:16:02 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Gamecock

It is the COEXIST pope.

All religions are equally valid under the master religion of Leftism (except for real Christianity, of course).


4 posted on 06/07/2014 10:16:07 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Gamecock

I know there’s lots of controversy here about Joel Osteen. Some here have said or implied that he’s a “feel good” Christian, not a Bible believing minister. I never watch his program, don’t know much about him. He sure seems to pop up in the media a lot though.


5 posted on 06/07/2014 10:16:32 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: Gamecock

Did the Pope buy one of his books?


6 posted on 06/07/2014 10:17:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Gamecock

Pope should check to make sure his ring is still there.


7 posted on 06/07/2014 10:17:05 AM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Gamecock
I don't mind Osteen. It is the Muslims that really bother me. I look at history and the Moslem movement and all the killing and maiming and oppression that goes along with Muslims and I wonder if these guys are insane to have Muslim prayers in the Vatican.

It took 700 years of oppression before they were driven out of Spain.

After three hundred years, they were finally driven out of Poland.

And, every country they inhabit around the Mediterranean was first Christonsom.(sp)

Manuel 11 Paealalogus said that it was nothing more than evil and inhuman how Mohammad spread Islam with fire and sword.

8 posted on 06/07/2014 10:18:36 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Gamecock

Catholicism, Islam and Osteenism??

No protestants?


9 posted on 06/07/2014 10:19:06 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You should know by now that if the MSM doesn’t hate a pastor with gusto, that he is no good.


10 posted on 06/07/2014 10:22:42 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Osteen’s is a candy-coated religion where Jesus is your personal genie and grants wishes.... name it and claim it...


11 posted on 06/07/2014 10:23:39 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Blab It and Grab It!!!


12 posted on 06/07/2014 10:32:27 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

lol


13 posted on 06/07/2014 10:33:29 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL
Next thing ya know this Pope will be having a meeting with BOWE!!!..and Olde-steen!




14 posted on 06/07/2014 10:35:58 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I watch him at times and like him for the most part. Really I don't get what all the controversy here is about. What is wrong with asking for prosperity?

People complain he doesn't preach the Bible but he often quotes scripture.

He has a globe and not a cross. Does that really mean anything?

Maybe people are thinking about his style of preaching too much and reading too much into it.

It seems that some people just like to attack things others enjoy. I find him interesting and like the broadcast. That doesn't mean I always agree with him or send him money or would join his church. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

15 posted on 06/07/2014 10:46:52 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid!)
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To: Gamecock

in a counterfeit world run by satanic powers and principalities, interfaith unity is the world’s answer instead of unity with The Way, Truth and Life..


16 posted on 06/07/2014 11:10:48 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Gamecock
Osteen said Friday it was a great honor to represent the pastors of America in the meeting with the pontiff

Represent the pastors of America? I don't remember the pastors of America delegating this task to him.

17 posted on 06/07/2014 11:48:56 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

**He sure seems to pop up in the media a lot though.**

And notice how the MSM NEVER criticizes him. That is our first clue.


18 posted on 06/07/2014 11:53:09 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: prisoner6

**What is wrong with asking for prosperity?**

Is that why Jesus died on the cross? To make us rich?


19 posted on 06/07/2014 11:54:49 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock
Is that why Jesus died on the cross? To make us rich?

Well I am pretty sure he didn't die intending us to be poor and suffering.

20 posted on 06/07/2014 12:03:47 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid!)
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To: MeshugeMikey
Blab It and Grab It!!!

LOL

But for heaven's sake, why not? Poverty is highly overrated. I don't believe God made me to be poor -- that would mean I wasn't using my God-given abilities, such as they are. A few uplifting words can truly help when you're working hard to achieve the Great American Dream. It gets harder and harder. God help us all.

21 posted on 06/07/2014 12:16:16 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: prisoner6

He died that our sins may be forgiven.

Not to pad my bank account.


22 posted on 06/07/2014 12:17:54 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: Gamecock
He died that our sins may be forgiven.

Yup I get that. I didn't realize being rich or asking for prosperity are sins.

Greed, glutony...sure...but basic prosperity?

23 posted on 06/07/2014 12:35:31 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid!)
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To: prisoner6

You can’t be saved unless you become like Jesus. You can’t be like Jesus unless you accept the Cross. To be baptized into his resurrection, you must be baptized into his crucifixion.


24 posted on 06/07/2014 12:53:35 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Romulus
OK...what does that have to do with asking for a good, prosperous life?

My >personal< belief is that God wants us to be happy and prosperous. It is similar to what I hear from Olsteen. That prevents me from being Christian? If so, I am lost.

25 posted on 06/07/2014 1:04:32 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid!)
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To: prisoner6

Our Lord has already advised us what to ask for. Prosperity isn’t on the list.

My belief also is that God wants us to be happy — but that we usually don’t know what’s best for us. Ultimately, happiness is nothing less than holiness. Ask for that.

Something really weird about people claiming to worship a crucified God, who complain when they find themselves nailed to a Cross.


26 posted on 06/07/2014 1:14:32 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: prisoner6
He has a globe and not a cross. Does that really mean anything?

No . . . I don't see anything wrong with a so-called Christian preacher not showing a Cross or even holding a Bible . . . Oprah would love that.

This so-called preacher is a "prosperity good-time feel-good purveyor of babble."

Nothing like a 10.5 million dollar home to feel good in. I find him creepy looking especially when he closes his eyes whenever he turns his head from side to side.

Give me someone who not only holds a Bible in his hands, but actually reads from it . . . and actually stands in front of a Cross.

27 posted on 06/07/2014 1:47:04 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: Gamecock

The essence of Osteen.

28 posted on 06/07/2014 1:51:35 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Gamecock

Lateen is jealous of all the Vatican wealth.


29 posted on 06/07/2014 2:07:29 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Old Yeller
LateenOlsteen is jealous of all the Vatican wealth.

I hate it when my IPad changes my words.
30 posted on 06/07/2014 2:10:44 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Romulus

And what happens when your life falls apart? When you have to face disease or bankruptcy? Where will your god be then?


31 posted on 06/07/2014 2:50:06 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: prisoner6

-— He has a globe and not a cross. Does that really mean anything? -—

Yes. Jesus said, “If anyone wants to become my follower, he
must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.”

This flatly contradicts the prosperity gospel.


32 posted on 06/07/2014 2:57:29 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: prisoner6

>What is wrong with Osteen?

The lost sheep who end up thinking like him!


33 posted on 06/07/2014 3:26:04 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: Gamecock

I wonder if Pope Francis knelt and asked for Osteen’s blessing. He seems to do a lot of that wherever he goes.

Or maybe he just kissed Joel’s hand.


34 posted on 06/07/2014 4:06:40 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: prisoner6

“Well I am pretty sure he didn’t die intending us to be poor and suffering.”

Don’t tell the Apostles about your Gospel.

“Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.” - Rom 5

“For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, 30 engaged in the same conflict that you saw I had and now hear that I still have.” - Philippians 1

“Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God, 9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace...” - 2 Tim 1

“Resist [Satan], firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world. 10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.” - 1 Peter 5

“Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. 2 Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. 4 Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. 5 You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned and murdered the righteous person. He does not resist you.” - James 5

” Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. 19 For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. 20 For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God. 21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.” - 1 Peter 2

And Jesus:

“If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you.” - John 15


35 posted on 06/07/2014 4:26:42 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: prisoner6

“Pick up your cross and follow me.” were his instructions. That sounds like poor and suffering to me.


36 posted on 06/07/2014 4:32:07 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Moonman62

And won’t he be surprised when he can’t take it with him when he dies? LOL!


37 posted on 06/07/2014 4:33:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Mr Rogers; RBStealth; St_Thomas_Aquinas; laweeks; Romulus; Gamecock
God bless you all. We have differing Faiths.

For example..@ Salvation,St_Thomas_Aquinas and others.

“Pick up your cross and follow me.” were his instructions. That sounds like poor and suffering to me.

Do YOU live in poverty? Perhaps you do. I have and am close to it now but comfortable and happy. BUT I have Faith. I ask God to show me the way to prosperity. However I submit to His plan.

@laweeks

Oprah would love that....and,... Nothing like a 10.5 million dollar home to feel good in.

What does Oprah have to do with this discussion? As to living in a nice, expensive home...

Class envy? My family and I have been happy to live in a hovel. Heated with wood and kerosene. No electric, gas or at times water. I asked God for a better place and he answered.

Don't get me wrong. As a family we worked to make things better. We prayed and asked God for his Guidance and Blessing. He answered.

We COULD go back to the old place though. Would that make you happy and me more of a Christian?

@Romulus

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

Kinda sounds like prosperity to me.

We are all Blessed. We are Thankful for that and all of His Grace.

I am at work but I will leave you with one of my personal observations that may or may not be pertinent.

The Measure of a Man.

The measure of a Man isn't how he looks, or speaks, or his wealth or standing in his community.

The Measure of a Man is how he applies his God given Strengths to:

Provide for his family
Help his neighbors
And take care of himself.

When he does these things to the best of his ability he is a Man in God's eyes.

38 posted on 06/07/2014 5:43:57 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid!)
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To: ebb tide

Wonder who washed who’s feet.


39 posted on 06/07/2014 5:47:54 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: prisoner6

I grew up on a farm living in a two bedroom house which along the way got added onto. Outside plumbing at first too.

During the depression I remember eating lots of eggs potatoes and chicken. We were all very happy and all pitched in to help in the garden, the fields, etc.

I am not poor now. My condo is paid for and just got remodeled — thanks to a lot of elbow grease from my five children.

However, I live on a lot less than most people, and to me it doesn’t matter.

While living on the farm we would drive eight miles to church through snow and other kinds of weather. I now volunteer at my church every day of the week. God is good.

As to health — I was injured as a baby in an auto accident and suffered through a childhood having seizures from the head trauma in that accident. My seizures were controlled after the births of three children, and I had two more children.

My husband died 30 years ago from lung cancer. That was probably the hardest time of my life. For in the next 10 years I also had four other family members die, one (my father in law) whom I had to ID since he committed suicide.

I thank God for all my troubles — crosses — and my life today, even though it is difficult at times.

May God bless you. Truly I understand that picking up one’s cross to follow Jesus and experiencing suffering is a gift from Christ himself.

BTW — My children are all grown now, a real estate agent, a nurse, a teacher, an electrician and an attorney.


40 posted on 06/07/2014 6:43:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: prisoner6
"We have differing Faiths."

God has no obligation to make us rich. We are allowed to, sometimes. Sometimes we are not. Our job is to follow God where He leads, and let the rest stay in His hands:

"19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, 23 but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

24 “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." - Jesus Christ

We are not promised riches, and we are told not to seek them. As Jesus said just a moment earlier:

Pray then like this:

“Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.
10 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread,
12 and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Notice where Jesus tells us to pray for wealth? Me neither...

41 posted on 06/07/2014 7:25:43 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Veto!

The Blab it and Grab It Preachers....claim that one can “demand” that God give them this that or the other thing and he will...

all if allegedly requires is faith...with no mention of ...yes... Work.


42 posted on 06/07/2014 7:29:30 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: MeshugeMikey

How does that work for them? Sounds like the old saw: God grant me serenity, and I want it now.


43 posted on 06/07/2014 8:01:12 PM PDT by Veto! (OpInions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Veto!

The Power of Persuasion seems to overcome both reason and repeated experience with such people.

Name it and claim it....so “”when your check clears the bank you will HAVE your “Miracle””


44 posted on 06/07/2014 8:27:24 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Gamecock
....Joel Osteen, the pastor of Houston's Lakewood Church, was meeting Thursday with Pope Francis at the Vatican. Osteen said Friday it was a great honor to represent the pastors of America in the meeting with the pontiff, whom he described as warm, personable and full of joy. "I like the fact that this pope is trying to make the church larger, not smaller," Osteen said. "He's not pushing people out but making the church more inclusive. That resonated with me." "We had very little time with him," Osteen said. "We were going to have more time, but a cardinal died that morning."

Remember this?
Joel Olsteen Joins With Catholics To Convert Confused Protestants

45 posted on 06/07/2014 9:07:29 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Gamecock

::groan::


46 posted on 06/08/2014 6:11:52 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Gamecock

Smiley grins up The Vatican


47 posted on 06/08/2014 7:09:08 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Osteen is the biggest phony in preaching. He has never been to a seminary and has no credentials whatsover that qualifies him to be called a pastor. The pope is making a mockery of the church. He should run those hand-waving holy roller “catholics” out the Vatican along with grinning Osteen.


48 posted on 06/08/2014 12:41:12 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: prisoner6
Your posts and spirit on this thread are appreciated.

"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."

49 posted on 06/09/2014 7:10:42 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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