Skip to comments.A Christian family, a gay son - and a Wichita father's change of heart
Posted on 06/07/2014 6:47:03 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
I can't cut and paste from the device I'm using, but this article is an interview with the father of Matthew Vines, the author of "God and the Gay Chrisitan." Monte Vines says when his son told him he was "gay" a few years ago, they studied the Bible together and discovered things like the often-cited bad argument that both homosexuality and eating shellfish were abominations in the Old Testament (and on that, God says to the Israelites about things like shellfish that they "shall be abomination for you" - meaning the Jews). So the father changed his mind since there are many churches but he has only one son, he says . And the family left their church because it was Presbyterian USA, but the congregation voted to join another Presbyterian denomination that doesn't accept homosexual conduct.
I feel for parents who have children who have decided to become homosexuals but that does not change the fact that God calls it an abomination. Where do you draw the line for your children’s chosen behavior?
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
“Son, we have a couple of choices. You can follow your urges and the latest fad, in which you are likely to die a slow and painful death from AIDS, or we can follow God’s Word, in which case you can expect forgiveness and eternal life. Which do you think is a better choice?”
Makes sense to me. (poppycock!)
Are the two paths mutually incompatible? I mean, he’s going to die anyway. Just asking.
This is not a Christian family, this is a deeply misguided family who are distant from God.
Notice the logic here. The father looked up the condemnation of sodomy in Leviticus and noticed that the consumption of shellfish is also prohibited. He then concluded that since he felt shellfish were okay to eat, that sodomy was totally okay too.
If he had been even a foolish Christian, he would have read the passage and repented for his last meal at RedLobster. Had he been a vaguely well-versed Christian, he would have understood civil law as applicable to Ancient Israel, and the moral law which is binding on humanity until Judgement Day.
The fact that his conclusion was that same-sex activity was permissible based on shellfish shows us that this is no more a Christian than Bill Nye is a scientist.
What are the physical repercussions to living an active homosexual lifestyle?
What are the physical repercussions of eating shellfish?
Homosexuals have a shorter lifespan. There is a higher incidence of STDs, chemical abuse (to "perform" as well as to black out the painful thoughts/memories), and who knows what other contributing factors.
Those who eat shelfish are eating "bottomfeeders" that may feast on dead animals. There may be some periodic health concerns (far less health hazards than a gay lifestyle).
Why encourage such activity?
Do parents of heterosexual daughters hold up their adult offspring at family get togethers and say "well, she isn't married yet but boy howdy, she's having fun with her life sleeping around with a different partner every few weeks!"? Doesn't seem that many years ago that even unmarried (common law spouses in all but declare legal status) couples shacking up were cast a welcome (but slight disapproving glance) at family functions.
that’s a real tough one if a person is honest. I wonder how many real Christians can handle that verse.
To quote a line from Simon and Garfunkel “All lies in jest till a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”. If we approach the Word of God with to find something that justifies our position or something that seems to at least undermine the position of others then we are doing ourselves a great disservice. If on the other hand we honestly, without preconceived notions, wish to seek God and His truth I am sure you will find it within those pages!
Wow, what horrible understanding of the Word of God.
Yep. Love the sinner but hate the sin...even if it is a blood relative.
We can still love them without condoning an entire lifestyle and lifetime dedicated to an abomination.
The concept of “judge not” has been conflated with “moral relativism” as a means of teaching Christians that we must “tolerate” all behavior.
“Judge not” is an instruction not to judge anyone’s relation to God and the state of their salvation. It has nothing to do with critiquing, evaluating, and yes, judging behavior. If it did not, Jesus would not have said, “Go forth and sin no more.” He would have said, “Hey, go out and live it up and do whatever you want, break those 10 commandments and all that you know to be wrong based upon Biblical teachings, because my sacrifice will forgive you.”
I don’t believe that the majority of sinful lifestyles are lived without some degree of conflict — save for those who are truly insane or who have given in completely to darkness.
Accepting sinful lifestyles to those who are conflicted about their lives, becomes a form of enabling and ushers them along that wrong road.
We are called to stand strong, love the sinner, hate the sin, and guide the sinner back onto the right road (which is the literal translation of the phrase “blessed are” from the Sermon on the Mount).
Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
2 Thessalonians 3:15
Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.
My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back.
Check out this 2009 article called
“Gay Sex is Downright Dangerous and Abstinence Won’t Kill You: I Should Know” by David MacDonald
I think the Vines should pay attention to Mr. MacDonald instead.
well, Jesus said not everone who says to Him, “Lord, Lord” would enter His Kingdom.
huge difference between 'human love' which enables and God's love that wants to move a person to repentance.
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