Supersessionism, the Holocaust, and the Modern State of Israel

Theological Studies ^ | Michael Vlach

[Iscool]

Au contraire. Christ fulfilled the Old Covenant and instituted the New Covenant. In Christ, Israel consists of all believers.

So God came to Earth manifest in the flesh as the Jewish Messiah, got rejected and killed, and that was fulfilling the old covenant???

The old Israelites were the 12 tribes of Israel, the new Israelites are all those, Jew and gentile, who are in Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[g] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

There's your answer right there...No Jew nor Greek...No Israel nor Gentile...

As a Christian, I am an Israelite of the New Covenant. I am of Zion, of the new Jerusalem.

You just showed with scripture that there are no Israelites in Christ...There aren't any men nor women...I am happy to know that as a Christian I am not an Israelite but am in Jesus Christ...

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

"So God came to Earth manifest in the flesh as the Jewish Messiah, got rejected and killed, and that was fulfilling the old covenant???"

http://www.broomallrpc.org/index.php/articles/how-jesus-fulfills-the-old-testament -- I would just post it here but its rather long, but very clearly explains Christ's fulfillment of the Old Covenant.

"You just showed with scripture that there are no Israelites in Christ...There aren't any men nor women...I am happy to know that as a Christian I am not an Israelite but am in Jesus Christ..."

I don't think it means that there is literally no Jews or Gentiles, because clearly there are. Rather, that in God's eyes all His people are equal and the saved who are Israelites by blood are not superior to the saved who are Israelites by Christ.

[wmfights]

The truth is that the "time of the gentiles" is almost up and God's grace will be turned back to the people of Israel...whom the prophet Hosea says "...were not his people...", then says "...they will be my people once again..."

Amen!

The only thing I would disagree with you on is even though it sure seems like the Tribulation is right around the corner we just don't know how soon.

[wmfights]

I’m sure the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948 caused those who don’t understand prophesy and the place of Israel in God’s plan some serious angst. If not it should have.

Amen!

[wmfights]

I believe John 3 and Romans 9-11 (particularly 11) are NT passages that support a restored Israel.

I do to.

Thank you for bringing Ezekiel 36 into the discussion as well.

The existence of Jews and the nation of Israel despite all the persecution, the holocaust, several arab attacks and political pressure should open everyone's eyes, but it doesn't. We don't know if this is the national Israel that God will transform into a believing Israel or if they will be scattered again, but they continue to exist despite all the odds that are stacked against them.

[Daveinyork]

Maybe not.

[Paladin2]

[gusopol3]

I’ve been wondering.

[imardmd1]

Would anyone think that Jews in Israel would give a damn about this kind of nonsense?

Maybe. I would think that most of the Hebrew race would prefer not to be superceded. Being supplanted might be a bit different issue. For now, the OT prophesied true constituents of His Bride has temporarily displaced His preference for His brethren above other nations, but has not superceded His Father's promises to the Friends of The Bride.

[imardmd1]

While “Israelites” may have failed to recognize The God’s Messiach, it’s pretty obvious that The God has not failed to recognize “Israelites,” however they at this tine regard Him.

[ladyL]

Hmmm...and what happened to Abraham’s Covenant? and yes I didn’t clarify that Yahweh wrote the Bible through Israelites I Know not Timothy.,,however that is another long story going way back to Gen 12:3 ending in Gal 3:29 via Gal 3:8