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Concerning the obsession for photos at Liturgies – A Consideration of a Liturgical and Pastoral...
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 6/9/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 06/10/2014 1:38:38 AM PDT by markomalley

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Full title: Concerning the obsession for photos at Liturgies – A Consideration of a Liturgical and Pastoral Problem
1 posted on 06/10/2014 1:38:38 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: AllAmericanGirl44; Biggirl; Carpe Cerevisi; ConorMacNessa; Faith65; GreyFriar; Heart-Rest; ...

Msgr Pope ping.


2 posted on 06/10/2014 1:39:37 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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Our parish had a “set” designed where the bishop posed with every child and again with their family after the ceremony. Years later, these are much better than anything you could have gotten in the church.


3 posted on 06/10/2014 3:13:18 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: markomalley

Well Msgr. Pope, you forget that most cell phones have the ability to take pictures or videos in a very quiet and reverent manner.


4 posted on 06/10/2014 3:26:43 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Vermont Lt

I drives me crazy when people are waving their cell phones and IPads around at mass. The solution is to do an immediately available digital video of the ceremony, and even, in the case of Confirmation, an individual shot of each child’s Confirmation that would then be available to the parents, either to print or to download.

Even when the phone or camera is on silent mode, it’s still annoying to have somebody holding their hand up in front of you, filming away like mad.

And his other point is correct: People spend so much time taking pictures or videos of things that they miss the actual event and its emotional impact.


5 posted on 06/10/2014 3:58:11 AM PDT by livius
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Ping!


6 posted on 06/10/2014 4:19:46 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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It would seem that that Msgr. Charles Pope would have more serious concerns to contend with than families wanting to get photos of important and sacred things in their children's lives. Perhaps he should be more concerned with 45 million abortion deaths since Roe v. Wade, pedophilia in the church or same sex marriage ,phony catholic pols who receive the sacraments etc.
7 posted on 06/10/2014 4:32:09 AM PDT by kenmcg (b)
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To: livius

“People spend so much time taking pictures or videos of things that they miss the actual event and its emotional impact.”

They are just very excited. It actually shows how much they value that moment, and want to go back to it again and again. Maybe months from now they’ll be sitting in a waiting room flipping through pics on their phone, and enjoy it again.

I know its gonna sound crazy, but not everyone experiences, or even wants to experience the event the way you would.


8 posted on 06/10/2014 4:49:22 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: markomalley

Good thoughts.

Go out to dinner these days and watch young people. When their food arrives, they pause to take a picture for Instagram.

We enjoy how it looks and smells and pause to give thanks.


9 posted on 06/10/2014 5:50:19 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus)
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To: livius
Don't you remember the first craze of cell phones? THAT was annoying from the get-go: folks talking on their cell phones AT WILL. It was HORRIBLE.

If I don't hear it, I'm okay. For I can always close my eyes and folks think I'm praying, but talking? Way more annoying.

10 posted on 06/10/2014 5:51:34 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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"A picture is no substitute for the actual experience, the actual prayer, the actual worship that can and should take place at every sacred moment and it every sacred liturgy."

This is an excellent point. How is it possible to give God the worship that is due Him and appreciate the sacredness of what is taking place while busily taking pictures? It's a poor trade to substitute the ephemeral for the sacred.

11 posted on 06/10/2014 6:19:11 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: markomalley

I’m with the Monsignor here. I survived quite well with the emphasis on the Sacraments I received and not on the photos of the moment.

God bless him.


12 posted on 06/10/2014 6:21:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The phones, yes. Their owners, not always so much.


13 posted on 06/10/2014 6:22:30 AM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: livius

I used to own a business that specialized in shooting collegiate sports. I focused mostly on DII and DIII schools, so the sidelines were pretty much open.

When I started using the internet for parent’s sales I could count on 35% of my income from the web. By the time I closed up my internet shop 13 years later, the sidelines parents with their phones and crappy cameras had cut that to less than 5%. People are just conditioned that crappy pictures for free are better than great photos for a price are not.

Those “guys with cameras” essentially put me out of business, and I can assure you that they missed most of the games their kids played in. Its too bad. It was a great gig when it was great.


14 posted on 06/10/2014 7:07:11 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Another perspective. Thanks.


15 posted on 06/10/2014 8:04:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Vermont Lt

What you described has happened in many fields. I’ve always thought cinema was impervious to an amateur coup, given the money and crew required to create it. Yet recently I followed a link to an iPhone gadget that was a mini dolly track/steadycam.

Uh oh...

I love good photography. The one thing that could draw me back to it is medium/large format film...an area far from the camera phone crowds, lol. Hope to explore that some day.


16 posted on 06/10/2014 8:41:14 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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Could it be because of the desire for the memories of that special day.


17 posted on 06/10/2014 8:47:22 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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The one thing that could draw me back to it is medium/large format film

High resolution digital has come of age. And if I still had to mess with those chemicals in the darkroom, I wouldn't be taking pictures.

18 posted on 06/10/2014 8:54:04 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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Could it be because of the desire for the memories of that special day.

Because if they don't photograph it, nobody will.

19 posted on 06/10/2014 8:55:43 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: avenir

Its sad because, much like a lot of things, the true professional is being pushed out of the business.

This is true in my field, stock stuff, fine art photos, and probably most of all weddings.

I had tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment. And between the equipment and my 30 years of experience you could SEE the difference. I had the light, the angle, and the knowledge of the sport to make the shot better.

But it is a value proposition. And my prices were relatively cheap compared to many others.

My images are going to be posted on walls for generations. The snapshot, crappy digital photos have already been forgotten.

Go figure.


20 posted on 06/10/2014 9:33:46 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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