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Gay Danish Couples Win Right to Marry in Church [Church compliance "mandatory"]
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6/7/14 | Richard Orange

Posted on 06/10/2014 6:12:58 AM PDT by marshmallow

Homosexual couples in Denmark have won the right to get married in any church they choose, even though nearly one third of the country's priests have said they will refuse to carry out the ceremonies.

The country's parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages.

Denmark's church minister, Manu Sareen, called the vote "historic".

"I think it's very important to give all members of the church the possibility to get married. Today, it's only heterosexual couples."

Under the law, individual priests can refuse to carry out the ceremony, but the local bishop must arrange a replacement for their church.

The far-Right Danish People's Party mounted a strong campaign against the new law, which nonetheless passed with the support of 85 of the country's 111 MPs.

"Marriage is as old as man himself, and you can't change something as fundamental," the party's church spokesperson Christian Langballe said during the debate. "Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: denmark; firstamendment; homosexualagenda; lutherans; marriage; moralabsolutes; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 06/10/2014 6:12:58 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Aren’t people glad if you’re church isn’t a government-run church like in Denmark? Kind of sad, but it goes to show how wise the Constitution was in having the 1st Amendment. Gives me shivers to all those nations that have a state-run church like Finland and others.


2 posted on 06/10/2014 6:15:08 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: marshmallow

Come on. Is it not time for a world war? Come Lord Jesus!


3 posted on 06/10/2014 6:15:50 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Morpheus2009

Give it time.


4 posted on 06/10/2014 6:16:26 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: marshmallow

I don’t think it will happen in the Catholic Church, but I’m not familiar with Denmark at all.


5 posted on 06/10/2014 6:16:46 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

Go kiss your queen’s ass now, subjects.


6 posted on 06/10/2014 6:18:31 AM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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7 posted on 06/10/2014 6:18:36 AM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: marshmallow
All churches of the Lutheran State Church, or all churches period?

I assume the former, because then there would be a larger issue.

8 posted on 06/10/2014 6:19:24 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: marshmallow

Of course the fair-minded Danes must have also made it mandatory for mosques to permit gay weddings to be held on their premises, right?


9 posted on 06/10/2014 6:19:33 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: mbarker12474

This applies only to the State Church of Denmark, which was run by the Danish royal family. If you’re not part of that Lutheran Church, and are either Catholic, Muslim, or whatever denomination/religion is in Denmark, it doesn’t apply to you. What will happen everywhere is persecution, friend. Will you be willing to stick with your non-SSM church, or go join another if yours changes, that is the real question. But my impression is that for this and other reasons, Jesus may have been talking about a literal 50 percent destruction of Christians, because a good percentage of professed Christians end up going for some falsehood counterfeit of God’s work, and be part of what gets destroyed.


10 posted on 06/10/2014 6:19:55 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: wideawake

It is the former. It applies to the government-run Lutheran Church of Denmark.


11 posted on 06/10/2014 6:20:37 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: marshmallow
I would not want to attend services with any minister so spineless and lacking in faith that he would desecrate a church for such a "wedding". My guess - this guy (or his Danish equivalent) will be VERY busy:


12 posted on 06/10/2014 6:21:20 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: marshmallow

I hope they all decide to get married in the local Mosque....


13 posted on 06/10/2014 6:22:42 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: marshmallow

Marcellus said it best (with help from Shakespeare):

“Something’s rotten in the State of Denmark.”


14 posted on 06/10/2014 6:23:57 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Salvation

Denmark has a Lutheran Church that is run by the Danish Royal Family. The Lutheran Church is run by state law, state morals, etc. It was so thorough that if in Denmark you were a member of the royal family and you changed from this Lutheran Church, your eligibility as a potential crown successor is completely forfeit.

It won’t happen legally in the Catholic Church, what is and does happen though is the mockery of whatever church or religion that is not a practicioner of SSM will be mocked and poked fun of all over the place for not being like the state church. Remember though, that in the tradition of Christ, the mockery is worth it, for “So did they the prophets before me”


15 posted on 06/10/2014 6:24:24 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: marshmallow

The First Amendment won’t trump the Fourteenth Amendment (as it is now interpreted) when it comes down to crunch time. We don’t have an established church, but we have a situation where the the First Amendment is being contracted as the Fourteenth Amendment is being expanded. The churches will not be immune.


16 posted on 06/10/2014 6:25:47 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Morpheus2009

Not according to the article.

The country’s parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages.”


17 posted on 06/10/2014 6:27:09 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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This is the ultimate goal of the GayMafia.

The Socialist Statist are also in agreement.


18 posted on 06/10/2014 6:27:44 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: marshmallow

Is this literally any church including the Catholic Church, Mosques or Orthodox synagogues or the state supported Church of Denmark? I remember other state sponsored churches in Scandinavia being required to perform gay marriages too.


19 posted on 06/10/2014 6:28:29 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: marshmallow

Another good reason for separation between Church and State.


20 posted on 06/10/2014 6:29:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: marshmallow

It will be interesting to see how the bishops handle this. Pray for them.


21 posted on 06/10/2014 6:29:37 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: marshmallow

Only a third of the priests plan to refuse?

The Church in Denmark is in worse shape than I thought.


22 posted on 06/10/2014 6:31:06 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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To: Morpheus2009

According to liberal judges the 14th Amendment trumps the 10th Amendment and the 1st Amendment. Just try to refuse to bake a couple of gays wedding cake and you will be hauled before a judge and sued into oblivion and FORCED to bake the cake.


23 posted on 06/10/2014 6:31:27 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: marshmallow

If such an edict is handed down to Christian churches here in the U.S., that’ll draw some major pushback.


24 posted on 06/10/2014 6:32:31 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: Kozak

Churches in this article are congregations of the State Lutheran Church. That is the term meant by Denmark’s Churches. Denmark, unlike the United States, has a government-run Lutheran Church, that is sponsored by the taxpayers of Denmark, which is legislated by the government of Denmark. It is not synonymous with the Catholics, the Muslims, etc.


25 posted on 06/10/2014 6:33:47 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: marshmallow
From Google:

Evangelical Lutheran Church
Of all the religions in Denmark, the most prominent is Christianity in the form of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Denmark, the state religion. However, pockets of virtually all faiths can be found among the population.

Thank you, defrocked Father Martin Luther, another consequence of your protesting "Lutheranism."

26 posted on 06/10/2014 6:34:58 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: marshmallow

Luther’s fault.


27 posted on 06/10/2014 6:37:52 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: marshmallow

A state-run church isn’t a church. Having to pay a tax to the church makes it another coercive arm of the government.


28 posted on 06/10/2014 6:39:12 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Morpheus2009
Aren’t people glad if you’re church isn’t a government-run church like in Denmark?

As if that will stop our own home-grown homo-Nazis.

29 posted on 06/10/2014 6:40:13 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Only a third of the priests plan to refuse?
The Church in Denmark is in worse shape than I thought.

No "lort, lars". Danish version of "no shit, Sherlock."

:o)

30 posted on 06/10/2014 6:41:30 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ScottinVA
If such an edict is handed down to Christian churches here in the U.S., that’ll draw some major pushback.

Oh, please! If we haven't meaningfully pushed back by now, it will never happen. We are a lost society.

31 posted on 06/10/2014 6:41:53 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: marshmallow

Because we have allowed government to define “marriage” for its own purposes (such as taxation and regulation of estates), we have allowed government to define marriage as a social institution. That was fine as long as people in control of government were generally supportive of God’s original definition of marriage. However we have entered a time when a growing number of people in control of government are willing to redefine marriage for their own purposes, which in part is contrary to God’s definition.

Marriage is now far more a matter of politics and ideology than of private religious beliefs.

Therefore, for the sake of marriage as God defines it, it is time to remove from government the power to define who is married and who is not. Then gays could form whatever relationships they please but they could not force those who disagree to be enablers for those relationships. And we would not have schools that must teach that homosexual “marriages” are just as legitimate as heterosexual ones. Nor would we have owners of wedding photography services being threatened with arrest and being convicted of a crime for merely declining to artfully photograph a “marriage” they find morally repugnant.


32 posted on 06/10/2014 6:42:18 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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33 posted on 06/10/2014 6:42:39 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: txrefugee
A state-run church isn’t a church. Having to pay a tax to the church makes it another coercive arm of the government.

So true.

However, you know that there is a comfort zone in a state run church that many people feel, especially in a typical "nanny state."

34 posted on 06/10/2014 6:43:34 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: wagglebee
Moral absolutes:
I like them.
35 posted on 06/10/2014 6:45:13 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: marshmallow

People and government can make your life miserable. Suffering because you obey the Lord will make your next life paradise.


36 posted on 06/10/2014 6:53:03 AM PDT by armydawg505
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To: marshmallow

But Peter and the apostles said in reply, “We must obey God rather than men.” (Acts 5:29)


37 posted on 06/10/2014 6:54:16 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: fwdude
Oh, please! If we haven't meaningfully pushed back by now, it will never happen. We are a lost society.

No doubt we're a lost society... I'm referring to churches themselves, if they were ever pointedly directed to perform homo "weddings."

38 posted on 06/10/2014 6:55:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: marshmallow

Another “historical” IN YOUR FACE moment from the Gaystapo.


39 posted on 06/10/2014 6:56:40 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: cloudmountain

How is sin Luther’s fault?


40 posted on 06/10/2014 6:57:08 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: cloudmountain
Homosexual couples in Denmark have won the right to get married in any church they choose,

The country's parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages.

41 posted on 06/10/2014 7:01:59 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: dragonblustar
How is sin Luther’s fault?

I mean really, what did the Church ever do to him? ;-)
42 posted on 06/10/2014 7:05:43 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: ScottinVA
I'm referring to churches themselves, if they were ever pointedly directed to perform homo "weddings."

Most evangelical "churches" I know of would just try to find a way to make this a "welcoming" experience.

The apostasy of the churches is exactly why the demonic culture is overrunning all quarters.

43 posted on 06/10/2014 7:05:53 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: C19fan

Knowing the socialist nature of Denmark, I wouldn’t be surprised if all churches must register with the government, thus making them subject to the government’s edicts.


44 posted on 06/10/2014 7:10:13 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: marshmallow

Freaks.


45 posted on 06/10/2014 7:12:15 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: marshmallow

It’s just a little early in the morning to read the words ‘gay Danish’; a solid reminder of what NOT to have for breakfast.


46 posted on 06/10/2014 7:13:55 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: marshmallow
muslims photo: Muslims muslim11.jpg

Have that gay wedding in a mosque in downtown Copenhagen. C'mon, do it...

47 posted on 06/10/2014 7:15:13 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Pollster1

Ugh! That rainbow mitre combined with the planned parenthood symbol — utterly sickmaking...


48 posted on 06/10/2014 7:15:14 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Genoa

This was predictable, and predicted, as far back as the ‘60s


49 posted on 06/10/2014 7:19:14 AM PDT by chesley
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To: marshmallow

According to the CIA Factbook:

Religions:

Evangelical Lutheran (official) 80%, Muslim 4%, other (denominations of less than 1% each, includes Roman Catholic, Jehovah’s Witness, Serbian Orthodox Christian, Jewish, Baptist, and Buddhist) 16% (2012 est.)

I wonder if their law requires that mosques must also marry homosexual couples? I would get quite a laugh if the law was challenged on those grounds.


50 posted on 06/10/2014 7:24:11 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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