Skip to comments.Christians expelled from site of the Last Supper
Posted on 06/10/2014 3:24:12 PM PDT by NYer
Orthodox Jewish activists drove Christian pilgrims out of the Cenacle, the upper room revered as the site of the Last Supper, on June 9.
About 30 militants, including one member of the Israeli parliament, disrupted a prayer service being held by Christians. The building, which is also revered by Jews as the site of King Davids tomb, is owned by the Israeli government, and Christian services are ordinarily not permitted there.
Ownership of the building in Jerusalem has become a contentious issue in Israeli politics. Pope Francis was granted permission to celebrate Mass in the Cenacle, despite protests from some Orthodox Jews. Even before the papal visit, rumors had circulated in Jerusalem that the government of Israel was prepared to cede control of the building to the Vatican. Israeli government officials denied those rumors.
The building that houses the Cenacle and the tomb of David was once controlled by the Franciscan Custody of the Holy Land. The Ottoman Empire evicted the Franciscans, and transformed the building into a mosque. The Franciscan Custody still hopes to regain at least administrative control of the Cenacle, as part of a long-overdue diplomatic accord between Israel and the Holy See, establishing the legal rights of the Church in the Holy Land.
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I can guarantee you with near 100% certainty that neither the last supper nor king david have anything to do with that spot.
I can’t believe people actually fall for this kind of tripe.
I can't imagine the reverse happening, and Jewish pilgrims being kicked out of Rome for simpy trying to have a prayer service at a historical Christian location.
Any of the "we must stand with Israel 100% of the time" crowd want to weigh in on this?
“I can guarantee you with near 100% certainty that neither the last supper nor king david have anything to do with that spot.”
No, you can’t.
Certainly not both, given the last supper was in a house of an observant Jew who would not have built his house in a graveyard.
oh! then I got a piece of the cross to sell you!
Yes. Stop believing stuff out of the “Christian” Left.
The other side of this is the matter of the Vatican taking over Jewish holy sites.
Not a Catholic service, as far as I can see, but a group of Christian pilgrims who prayed while visiting the upper room.
Also, it’s worth reading the article because the whole business is more complicated than it appears on the surface. The argument is more between the Ultra Orthodox Jews and the Israeli government than it is with the Christians.
On the other hand, I stick to my first reaction on seeing the headline, that this is dumb behavior on the part of the Jewish protestors. They are stirring up trouble with people who want to be their friends, and who are doing them no harm. Maybe they should worry a bit more about the Arab Palestinians.
“oh! then I got a piece of the cross to sell you!’
Hey I’ve better than that. I have the lace to the sandal’s Jesus worn on the Via Dela Rosa, 4 teeth of St. Arbuthnot the Goofy, a brick from the home of Simon the Zelot and the coin that was found in the mouth of the fish.
My great, great, great, great, great 27 generations ago grandfather brought them back from Constantinople after the 4th Crusade where he personally slew 20 or 30 of those heretical Greek Orthodox monks who were hoarding them
The first 3.5 years of which will go great...but watch out for the last 3.5 years of the "accord"...
So you approve of this then?
Yeah, me too! ; )
It is said that the original cenacle was the only building spared in Jerusalem during its destruction by Rome in 70AD.
This did not happen intentionally but accidentally.
So Christians merely having a prayer service at a spot sacred to Christians constitutes “taking over” a Jewish holy site in your opinion?
The article is by Catholic World News, not "Rev." Jesse Jackson.
But I suppose you'll argue that Catholic World News counts as the "Christian left" too.
Nobody believed that Fox News could go as far left as it did, until it happened.
And that attitude towards Israel you displayed only comes from the left.
Really, the “left” is mad that Israel is providing free abortions to all its citizens? Could have fooled me. There’s a reason why the liberal media here hasn’t given it any coverage here.
Approve of what? Getting the other side of the story?
Nobody’s denying that there are problematic so-called “ultra-Orthodox” minorities in Israel, who are even anti-Zionist despite living in Israel. But they aren’t being let run riot.
When it comes to praying, if the site is sacred to BOTH religions, I see no problem why they can't share it and provide the simply courtesy of allowing the other faith to use it at specific times for prayers. In fact, Christians already do this in Israel when a Chrisitan holy site is being used by numerous Christian denominations. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre is built over the spot where Jesus was crusified and today it is SHARED by no less than SIX different Christian denominations. If the Catholic Church were to proclaim they had exclusive right to use the site 100% of the time and nobody else is allowed to pray and hold services there, they'd be dead wrong. The reverse is also true: if the Greek Orthodox Church were to proclaim they had exclusive right to use the site 100% of the time and nobody else is allowed to pray there, THEY'D be dead wrong.
If the Vatican is claiming Jews should never be allowed to pray at King David's tomb (which they are NOT claiming), they'd be absolutely wrong.
Unfortunately, the reverse does seem to be true: some Orthodox Jews think Christians should not be allowed to pray at the site of the Last Supper. Fortunately, it appears most Jews and the Israel government DO NOT agree with this group of Orthodox Jews.
If you agree with them about kicking Christians out of the room where the Last Supper was held, and yet profess to be Christian, I'd suggest you're in the wrong religion.
No, I don’t agree with either group being kicked out.
I guess they’ll have to go to bed without dinner...
From the article...
"It should be noted that the institution of regular Catholic prayers at the site constitute a severe breach of Jewish prayer rights."
"Rabbi Tal reports that during the Mass service on Sunday, incense was burned, the scent of which spread throughout the Compound, engulfing the Tomb of King David on the ground floor as well. Christian visitors brought massive crosses to the prayers, and placed them in the "Room of the Last Supper" for the service. Additional testimony was given to Arutz Sheva by Rabbi Yaakov Sevilia, an activist for King David's Tomb. Rabbi Sevilia reported that lit candles were placed in the floor of the room in the shape of a cross."
In short, deal with it. None are permanent or even semi-permanant changes. Sounds like this Rabbi is straining to come up with things to complain about.
""There's a great pain here; it is hard to describe the depth of our frustration over the reality in which right above the Tomb of King David - David who every Jew is connected to and who the full redemption is dependent upon - they let idol-worship happen, which is more severe than murder and sexual indecency,""
Tell me again why I'm supposed to feel any sympathy for this guy, who appears to feel quite at liberty to be as insulting as possible. The long and short of it is that these sites are holy to Christians as well as Jews, and the segment of Israeli society that this Rabbi represents hates Christianity. They want access to these sites reserved exclusively for Jews.
"King refused to welcome him unless he would "bring in his suitcase the treasures of the Jewish people that were stolen by his predecessors,""
An angry kook with a conspiracy theory.
That certainly is a broad brush. We will see in the future whether or not this is a singular incident; any genuine kooks will be swept out of the door either way.
the chance that that very room, survived intact for over 2,000 years is virtually nil...
How can anyone be certain where the Last Supper took place? None of the Gospels provide a street address for the Upper Room. Jerusalem also underwent extensive urban redevelopment by the Romans in AD 70, the Persians in 615, the Arabs in 637, the Crusaders in 1099, and the Turks in 1187 and 1244.
“Elder brothers in the faith”, my aspe.
“the chance that that very room, survived intact for over 2,000 years is virtually nil...”
No kidding. It’s not the “room” but the “spot” that was questioned. The room dates back only to the Middle Ages. The spot has been observed as the place of the Last Supper for longer than that. Buildings on the site have been erected and destroyed many times over the centuries. But thanks for participating.
I was in that room last year. Pretty cool.
Please learn to read. “Spot” is different than “room”. The room only dates back to the Middle Ages. The spot - as the spot of the Last Supper - dates back much longer. There’s a difference. I am amazed at how low the reading comprehension of many people at FR really is.
This is why I hate the major media.
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