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Southern Baptists oppose gender reassignment
RNS ^ | June 10, 2014 | Adelle M. Banks

Posted on 06/11/2014 9:36:22 AM PDT by NYer

BALTIMORE (RNS) Pushing back against a cultural tide of growing acceptance of transgender people, Southern Baptists adopted a statement affirming the creation of “two distinct and complementary sexes.”

Thousands of Southern Baptist Convention delegates voted on a new president and several resolutions at their meeting on June 10, 2014. Photo by Van Payne via Baptist Press

Thousands of Southern Baptist Convention delegates voted on a new president and several resolutions at their meeting on June 10, 2014. Photo by Van Payne via Baptist Press


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The resolution was passed overwhelmingly Tuesday (June 10) as some 5,000 people attended the annual meeting of the nation’s largest Protestant denomination and elected as president the Rev. Ronnie Floyd, pastor of a northwest Arkansas megachurch.

The delegates, known as “messengers,” affirmed “God’s good design that gender identity is determined by biological sex and not by one’s self-perception.”

They added that they had compassion for people with gender conflicts, called them “image-bearers of Almighty God” and condemned “acts of abuse or bullying committed against them.”

But they went on the record to oppose gender assignment surgery and cross-sex hormone therapies. They expressed their hope that transgender people would “experience renewal” through a faith in Jesus.

Ross Murray, who runs the religion program at the LGBT advocacy organization GLAAD, criticized the statement for being inconsistent.

“They want to both welcome people in and yet do not want to recognize them as a full person and probably even more fully as a child of God,” he said. “The Southern Baptist Convention is so much missing out on the opportunity to connect with another part of God’s creation.”

In another cultural pushback, Baptists affirmed “the sufficiency of Scripture regarding the afterlife” and criticized best-selling movies and books that have focused on heaven and suggested descriptions of it.

“Many of these books and movies have sought to describe heaven from a subjective, experiential source, mainly via personal testimonies that cannot be corroborated,” they said.

In the same session where the resolution was passed, a messenger asked that “Heaven Is for Real” be removed “for theological reasons” from LifeWay Christian Stores, which are affiliated with the SBC.

The Baptists, whose denomination was founded by supporters of slave-owning missionaries, passed another statement marking the 50th anniversary of enactment of the Civil Rights Act.

It said they “lament and repudiate this nation’s long history of racial segregation as well as the complicity of Southern Baptists who resisted or opposed the dismantling of the evil of racial hierarchy in our churches or society.”

Yet another resolution affirmed their opposition to government sponsorship of casinos and lotteries and asked Americans of all religious and political convictions to join in a call to end the practice, which they say has amounted to “corrupt deals” and “broken dreams.”

They also rejected predatory payday lending, calling those who are engaged in it to “consider the great damage they are causing in the lives of vulnerable people and to adopt a just lending model.”

The Baptists suggested churches and employers should provide other ways to solve short-term financial problems in their communities, including financial stewardship classes.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
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1 posted on 06/11/2014 9:36:22 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

FYI, ping!


2 posted on 06/11/2014 9:36:52 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer
Southern Baptists oppose gender reassignment surgical mutilation of the psychologically disturbed

Fixed it.

3 posted on 06/11/2014 9:40:28 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: NYer

wow, they affirm that God created two complementary sexes???

OMG that is revolutionary stuff nowadays. In a world in which Facebook recognizes 56 different genders, they somehow decide that God in His wisdom created only two????? OMG (sarcasm)


4 posted on 06/11/2014 9:40:48 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et o)
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To: NYer
“They want to both welcome people in and yet do not want to recognize them as a full person and probably even more fully as a child of God,” he said. “The Southern Baptist Convention is so much missing out on the opportunity to connect with another part of God’s creation.”

This mutt is clueless. The SBC, in no way, did not recognize anybody as not a "full person". Further, there is not "another part of God's creation" as His creation is perfect and it is man's interference that is causing deviance and abhorence.

5 posted on 06/11/2014 9:41:30 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: NYer

I am glad that I am Catholic. I cannot believe they consider “Heaven is for Real” a sin and banned it in their stores. Stunning!


6 posted on 06/11/2014 9:49:53 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator

Why it’s not Biblical, look to The Word of God for info about heaven (it’s not talked about a lot), not some person’s “testimony” (no where in scripture does it say that anyone, but a select few-Jesus included) ever went to heaven and came back, and when they did they didn’t talk about it (that we know of from scripture)..


7 posted on 06/11/2014 9:54:01 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: NYer

a BTTT for the Baptists!


8 posted on 06/11/2014 9:54:18 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Hey, hey, ho, ho Baptist church is where to go :)


9 posted on 06/11/2014 9:56:49 AM PDT by chesley
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To: ConservingFreedom

Yes you did fix it.


10 posted on 06/11/2014 9:57:24 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: napscoordinator

Not a sin, theologically unsound.


11 posted on 06/11/2014 9:57:48 AM PDT by chesley
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To: JSDude1

That six year old saw things that proves that Heaven exists. There is no other way to explain it. He never saw his Grandfather as a child and he KNEW what his Grandfather looked like as a child. Heaven is for real (no pun intended).....I wish you believed in that. I hope you will someday.


12 posted on 06/11/2014 9:59:00 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: chesley
It is still a nice movie. Some of you sound like the Pharisees who didn't believe a human being either.
13 posted on 06/11/2014 10:00:20 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator

The fact that it’s a nice movie doesn’t make it theologically sound though, does it?

The SBC isn’t telling people not to watch it, or condemning the movie. The messenger was only suggesting that it shouldn’t be presented as theologically backed by the SBC.


14 posted on 06/11/2014 10:09:00 AM PDT by SquarePants (Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time)
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To: DannyTN
Thanks! "Gender reassignment" is the sort of PC newspeak one should expect from an article that takes the pointless dig, "The Baptists, whose denomination was founded by supporters of slave-owning missionaries".
15 posted on 06/11/2014 10:09:40 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: NYer

“Gender reassignment” is such a pretty euphemism for the truth, which is exactly what the far left hopes to find in re-framing each of their sick and perverted proposals. If they called it “surgical mutilation of an otherwise healthy body to match the delusions of a diseased mind” it would be more honest, but it wouldn’t poll as well.


16 posted on 06/11/2014 10:11:41 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: napscoordinator

There is good reason to be skeptical. There are a lot of near-death experiences out there and some of them sound plausible and some are quite weird. Whole cults have originated around these “experiences”. We need to be careful. We don’t know for sure that the child’s experience was not coached along by his parents, or that he may have had a dream. I was skeptical of it from the beginning. I think we all should be. These are days that so much perversion fills every part of life, and Satan surely wants to pervert ANYTHING associated with God, so that he can lure people into placing their experience before that of the Word of God. So, be careful to not condemn because of this. We should be skeptical of everything we hear until we confirm it in the Word of God.


17 posted on 06/11/2014 10:22:19 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: napscoordinator
Come one, the SBC did NOT say that books like "Heaven is for Real," is a sin but rather it is subjective and various descriptions are not provable and voted to choose not to support it in their own bookstores. I assume that you have access to other bookstores in your area so your not being able to purchase a copy at your local LifeWay Bookstore, puts you at a disadvantage.

No mention of sin, banning books, book burning nor anything else of the kind.

They also do not sell many other books in their financially supported bookstores yet do not ban them, burn them, etc.

Any hysterical comments regarding what the leadership choose to sell or not sell are totally out of line merely because you as a Catholic, which you seem to think is pertinent to your point, do not support the SBC the votes by the membership.

18 posted on 06/11/2014 10:26:26 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: napscoordinator

These proceedings dealt with a number of deeply important points. The movie was very likely a side issue.

I’ve just been on several other threads the last few days watching various freepers dissing the denominations held dear by other freepers. Critics may say they are commenting about a specific item in a long article, but it’s clear they are leaping upon yet another opportunity to grind the axe of negative stereotyping and religious bias, much of it Catholic vs Protestant or Protestant vs Catholic, or Protestant and Catholic vs Mormon, etc.

Not that that’s what you’re doing here.


19 posted on 06/11/2014 10:30:12 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: ConservingFreedom
an article that takes the pointless dig, "The Baptists, whose denomination was founded by supporters of slave-owning missionaries".

I thought that, too, at first glance. But on re-reading, that sentence seems to explain the reason for the following sentences, which were statements of atonement for any of SB's past support for slavery or Jim Crow. Without the explanation, it might not have been so clear as to why this issue was raised. They were putting it in the historic past, not commenting on some recent embarrassment.

20 posted on 06/11/2014 10:35:43 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: napscoordinator

So in your mind, rejecting a toddler’s biblically unsound tale of heaven is equivalent to the rejection of Christ Jesus by the Pharisees? Now that’s stunning!

For a Baptist, Scripture is the authority and it’s fully sufficient. Just as we don’t require purple and scarlet clad Roman holy men to tell us what to think and how to behave, we likewise have no need to rely on the claims of a child to prove heaven. And when anyone makes subjective claims that are not in accordance with the Bible, they must be rejected.

Believer’s don’t need external evidences as grounds for faith. We have Him, His Word, His Spirit. Those truly born again walk by faith, not by sight. If that’s not enough, a toddler’s testimony won’t make the difference.


21 posted on 06/11/2014 10:46:43 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: napscoordinator
I am glad that I am Catholic. I cannot believe they consider “Heaven is for Real” a sin and banned it in their stores. Stunning!

I didn't see where they call it a sin.

22 posted on 06/11/2014 10:48:03 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: Albion Wilde

you will never, ever see an article with the words...the kkk founded by dimocrats....


23 posted on 06/11/2014 10:49:15 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: NYer

I agree! I think most Southern Baptists should keep their original gender!


24 posted on 06/11/2014 10:50:57 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: .45 Long Colt

All I say is be careful....you are on a dangerous slippery slope. I think you are great and want to see you up in Heaven with the rest of us. I will pray for you.


25 posted on 06/11/2014 10:52:42 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: ealgeone
you will never, ever see an article with the words...the kkk founded by dimocrats....

I grant you that. Would like to know whether the author was an outsider, or an SBC publicist assigned to summarize the resolutions and afflicted with White Guilt.

26 posted on 06/11/2014 10:59:10 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: NYer
The resolution was passed overwhelmingly Tuesday (June 10) as some 5,000 people attended the annual meeting of the nation’s largest Protestant denomination and elected as president the Rev. Ronnie Floyd, pastor of a northwest Arkansas megachurch.

What's the difference between the pastor of a megachurch and a successful used car salesman? Nothing.

27 posted on 06/11/2014 11:09:22 AM PDT by upchuck (... honesty is the never-ending rehearsal for those who want to be the friends of God...)
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To: napscoordinator

Didn’t see if, but I’m perfectly willing to take your word for it.

So was Lord of the Rings, but while Tolkien was a Christian, if one believed the theology set forth in his works, one would be seriously led astray.

For that matter, God has much to say about the use of magic.

I enjoyed it, nonetheless. But does it belong in a Christian bookstore? I’m not necessarily opposed mind you, but I can see where some people might not think it a good idea.

Does that make me, or them Pharisees? So be it.

By the way, when you say “didn’t believe a human being, either”, are you seriously comparing a little boy to the Son of God? Did the little boy say the things that offended some many that Jesus did?

Just asking.


28 posted on 06/11/2014 11:28:11 AM PDT by chesley
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To: napscoordinator

Trusting in Christ and His Word is a dangerous slippery slope? I don’t think so. I say trusting in the teachings, pronouncements, institutions, and traditions of other sinners is the dangerous slippery slope.

Eternity is too long for me to put my destiny in the hands of anyone but Christ Jesus. I know I am a sinner because I feel the weight of my sin every single day. If I can’t trust Christ fully, there is no hope for me. I know there are no words I can say or acts I can perform that will make and keep me perfect before the thrice holy God of heaven. My trust is in Christ and Him alone!


29 posted on 06/11/2014 12:27:22 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: chesley

Tolkien was a devout CATHOLIC.


30 posted on 06/11/2014 12:36:19 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: napscoordinator
I am glad that I am Catholic. I cannot believe they consider “Heaven is for Real” a sin and banned it in their stores. Stunning!

What I hear on Catholic Answers is that it's NOT a sin.

31 posted on 06/11/2014 12:37:28 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer
Since when do I believe movie makers keeping true to a story about Jesus? They don't often do it.

In the SON OF GOD Jesus was played by a 6'3" HANDSOME Portuguese actor...so realistic.

32 posted on 06/11/2014 12:40:39 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer

well gender reassignment is kind of nutty...


33 posted on 06/11/2014 12:47:50 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more.)
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To: chesley; .45 Long Colt

I don’t think anybody is wrong here. I was just surprised that they would ban a family movie. It doesn’t mean that they are bashing Jesus Christ, but we are not entirely sure that this child didn’t meet Jesus and some others up in Heaven. It could be true. I have not been to Heaven yet, but this child has been. I just think all of us need to be very careful before we bash what could be a sign from Jesus Christ....that is really it.


34 posted on 06/11/2014 2:05:51 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: napscoordinator
I've read some about “after death” experiences. Scientists seem to have several theories about them, including reliving the birth experience.

As they seem to happen to people of all faiths and cultures, I am relatively certain it isn't Christ that they're meeting. Still, I don't have enough information to state that as a fact. I just don't see how it reconciles with Christian theology.

I'm not bashing, but I am also uninterested in the story.

I am reminded of a very old lady that I knew as a child in the 50’s. I asked her if she beleived in ghosts. Her reply was, “No. Those that go the Hell can't come back, and those that go to Heaven don't want to.” Makes sense to me.

As a further thought, if doctor's are able to revive somebody, then IMO, they didn't die. Again, I have no authoritative source on this, but it ismy opinion.

Now, as a story, I have no objection to it. I just don't believe it as fact, for the above mentioned reasons.

35 posted on 06/12/2014 5:44:52 AM PDT by chesley
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To: cloudmountain

Aren’t Catholics Christian? I did mention that Tolkien ws Christian didn’t I?


36 posted on 06/12/2014 5:46:02 AM PDT by chesley
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To: napscoordinator
No, its like Jesus said in the parable about the man in Hell:

Luke 16:30-31 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. (31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

So according to Jesus Himself, the heart that is hardened to Scripture won't be moved even by resurrection stories. Yet for the person who DOES believe Scripture, no further proof is necessary beyond that God has said it.

As for after-life stories, my own mother had a similar experience while undergoing heart surgery. Even so, I held and continue to hold her experience and everyone else's to the standard of Scripture. Some of these folks have had convincing experiences, but come back with stories that conflict with basic beliefs of Christianity. There is a deceiving spirit gone out into the world. It doesn't matter how persuasive it is on psychic details, same picture of Jesus , facts not know to the subject, etc. None of that proves anything about the true nature of Heaven. Only God's own revelation matters at all.

Peace,

SR

37 posted on 06/12/2014 6:03:07 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: JSDude1
Why it’s not Biblical, look to The Word of God for info about heaven (it’s not talked about a lot), not some person’s “testimony” (no where in scripture does it say that anyone, but a select few-Jesus included) ever went to heaven and came back, and when they did they didn’t talk about it (that we know of from scripture)..

Ah, Sola Scriptura then; well slavery is Biblical, can they put that back in the store ?

38 posted on 06/12/2014 6:06:56 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: chesley
Aren’t Catholics Christian? I did mention that Tolkien ws Christian didn’t I?

From Catholic authors. com

J.R.R. Tolkien: Truth and Myth
by JOSEPH PEARCE

J.R.R. Tolkien, author of the world's best-seller The Lord of the Rings, qualifies, technically, as a "literary convert" because of his reception into the Church as an eight-year-old following his mother's conversion to the faith. It could be said, therefore, that he joins the ranks of the literary converts by creeping in through the back door or, perhaps more correctly, through the nursery door. With beguiling ambiguity he is neither a cradle Catholic nor a full-blown convert, but a charming mixture of the two - a cradle convert.

39 posted on 06/12/2014 10:06:11 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

OK.

But I don’t see the point that you are trying to make??


40 posted on 06/12/2014 10:32:50 AM PDT by chesley
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To: chesley
Aren’t Catholics Christian? I did mention that Tolkien ws Christian didn’t I?

My point was INFORMATION on Tolkien. You did have ?questions? there. Tolkien converted to Catholicism.

OF COURSE Catholics are Christians. They trace their beginnings to Jesus, Peter and the rest of the Apostles. The earliest Roman emperors persecuted those first Christians then they became Catholics...the name "catholic" only referred to the universality of Jesus and His faith, spread by those first disciples.
ST. PETER was the very FIRST Vicar of Christ here on earth and there have been ensuing Vicars since Peter, 265 of them according to the Vatican historians. Jesus DID make Peter (even though he denied Jesus three times) and the ensuing Vicars of Christ "fishers of men."

There is a LIST in St. Peter's, truly engraved in real granite, that lists all the past 265 popes...all of them a "fisher of men."

41 posted on 06/12/2014 10:49:53 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: af_vet_1981

Slavery wasn’t condoned, it was talked about as in God allowed accommodation because of human sin, but it was not supported. You are wrong. And yes sola scriptura is exactly correct.


42 posted on 06/12/2014 12:05:46 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1
Can the scripture be broken ?

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid.

Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

43 posted on 06/14/2014 6:44:10 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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