Skip to comments.What Did the Imam Really Say? [At the Vatican with the Pope]
Posted on 06/13/2014 5:46:16 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
What Did the Imam Really Say?
You probably know that, during the prayer for peace event in the gardens behind St. Peters basilica, held by Pope Francis with the leaders of Israel, Palestinians and also the Ecumenical Patriarch, one of the invited guests, an Imam, reportedly prayed for Allah to grant victory over infidels.
No, he didnt!, say some. Yes, he did!, say others.
I read at Gates of Vienna:
In his own words in the end he asked god to assist those in the state of weakness. He said intasar al mustaDaafin fil ArD ya rab al alamin wa salam ala mursalin , which means assist people in the state of weakness in the land oh Lord of the worlds and peace be upon messengers.
I searched the phrase intasar al mustaDaafin or assist people in the state of weakness and found that Muslim Arabs use it often in their prayer for either Palestinians or Mujahidin who are fighting against oppressors. Possibly the Imams intention was precisely that, but he did not literally ask Allah to assist Muslims over non-believers.
However, a commentator says:
Without a shadow of a doubt [that] means make us VICTORIOUS over the Kaferin or unbelievers or deniers! Please dont try to create clouds and doubts where there are non. It is not ambiguous at all.
Here is the translation from quran.com: You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people. sura 2 aya 286
It is asking Allah to give the Muslims victory in WARS that they had against pagan Arabs. This is the context.
There is a video of the Imam:
Some are saying that the controversial line was cut from the video. I dunno.
However, again, a commentator wrote:
I do understand Quranic Arabic very well. I also know Quran itself rather well. I am an ex- muslim. This link that you have posted is cut! The full recitation of Quran by this imam that I watched on Al Arabiya chanal two days ago had his recitation till the last verses and without a shadow of a doubt he recited the 2nd sura Al Bagharahs last few verses till the very end where he does recite And pardon us and forgive us and have mercy on us, you are our guardian, so make us victorious over the tribe of disbelievers ( or deniers as the word Kafir really means).
Now the question is who chopped this link to take out the controversial part out of it. It is cut literally in the middle of the verse where the controversial part starts and jumps to the imams prayer in his own words which are not controvercial. [I think around 2:24] You can recognize the end of recitation and beginning of his own prayer by the fact that he stopped singing and start speaking normally. If you pay attention you will notice that the place was cut. It is noticeable. They kept his recitation until the end of the of forgive us and have mercy on us. But the last two sentences you are our guardian, so grant us victory over unbelievers was neatly in very stalinesque fashion airbrushed out! Cunning bastards! That is why your Russian translator didnt hear anything controversial. But he can go check his Quran and see that up till the last two sentences which are missing everything before it is sura2 last verses. Now you want to tell me he just left out the last half verse from his recitation?! Of course not! They are counting on peoples ignorance of Arabic and quraniccontent
I dont know Arabic.
It may be Muslim’s one and only chance to give the Vatican over to themselves, why wouldn’t he pray the prayer that gives them that?
The bigger problem is that he was hosting a joint prayer with infidels in the first place, which is absolutely condemned by scripture. The Muzzie asking God to help him beat the guys next to him is just the icing on the cake.
Thats what everyone wanted to know about the notorious 18½-minute gap in Richard Nixons Watergate tape, for which Rosemary Woods eventually took the fall.
Now it appears that something similar happened with the Vaticans tape of the interfaith prayers-for-peace from last Sunday, giving us even more reason to dub this controversy Imamgate.
As we reported in last nights post about the imams prayer at the Vatican, there seems to be nothing controversial in the chanted Arabic in the prayer and that spoken in his subsequent remarks. However, a reader and commenter named ritamalik who is a former Muslim and understands Arabic tells us that a portion of the video has been edited out, and the omitted section included the verse asking Allah to grant victory over the infidels.
The explanation below is adapted from two separate comments by ritamalik on last nights post:
You were accurate! Dont blame yourself! These bastards have cut out the controversial last half-verse from imams recitation in the clip. What they have done here is pure and simple censorship, deception and rewriting of history. Pay attention to the clip. They cut his recitation in the middle of the last verse!
I do understand Quranic Arabic very well. I also know Quran itself rather well. I am an ex-Muslim. This link that you have posted was cut! The full recitation from the Quran by this imam that I watched on the Al Arabiya channel two days ago had his recitation up until the final verses, and without a shadow of a doubt he recited the second sura Al Bagharahs last few verses till the very end where he did say, and pardon us and forgive us and have mercy on us, you are our guardian, so make us victorious over the tribe of disbelievers [or deniers, as the word kafir really means].
Now the question is: who chopped this video to take out the controversial part out of it? It is cut literally in the middle of the verse where the controversial part starts, and jumps to the imams prayer in his own words, which are not controversial. You can recognize the end of recitation and beginning of his own prayer by the fact that he stopped singing and start speaking normally. If you pay attention you will notice the place where it was cut. It is noticeable.
They kept his recitation until the end of the of forgive us and have mercy on us. But the last two clauses you are our guardian, so grant us victory over unbelievers was neatly and in very Stalinesque fashion airbrushed out! Cunning bastards!
That is why your Russian translator didnt hear anything controversial. But he can go check his Quran and see that up till the last two clauses which are missing, everything before it is the final verses of sura 2. Now you want to tell me he just left out the last half verse from his recitation?! Of course not! Who recites Quran while reciting a verse only half way through?!
They are counting on peoples ignorance of Arabic and Quranic content. They want to throw us off track and confuse us. Your original report was 100% correct! You have nothing to correct. Only now you can also report that these bastards have censored the original footage to save themselves from the embarrassment of being mocked and outwitted by an imam. Thats all! Dont fall for it.
And the fact that they had to censor the original footage shows that despite their original denials they recognized the damage and the legitimacy of those reports which pointed it out!
The big question is: Who edited the tape?
It had to have been done by someone in the Vatican, or by someone employed by the Vatican. So the Imamgate scandal has just become even more scandalous.
|1.||The Pope invited an imam to the Vatican to say prayers at an interfaith event.|
|2.||Departing from a pre-released script, the imam prayed in Arabic for Allah to grant victory over the unbelievers.|
|3.||The Vatican denied that the imam said anything of that nature.|
|4.||The Vatican altered a video of the event to remove any evidence of the damning clause.
So what comes next? What will #5 be? Stay tuned.
Also: if anyone can find an uncut version of the Arabic part of the video, please send us the URL.
Previous posts about Imamgate The Arabic prayer at the Vatican, June 8 2014:
|2014||Jun||11||The Vatican and Islamic Prayer|
|12||What Did the Imam Really Say at the Vatican?|
No, he wet back to his car an laughed his arse off.
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LOL! I think, under the circumstances, this Imam would have made an exception. Just say’n
There will be a big war over Islam probably in our lifetime.
Thanks Brian Kopp DPM.
Thank you, Brian, for bringing this to our attention.
If there is any Catholic over the age of twelve who believes that a Pope and an Imam can be chummy, without dire consequences, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell him.
Why do these people think we fought the Crusades?
This is just frightening.
What do you make of this?
The Pope is dangerously naive. At best.
The iman's prayer, itself, I'm not worried about because there IS no Allah and Islam is a false religion, but it would be worrisome if he actually showed more boldness in proclaiming his faith than the Christians did - in the Vatican.
The texts of all the prayers (excepting the iman’s was posted on FR.
Sorry you missed it.
- Reasonable Catholics would show up and use that as another reason they haven't attended mass in years.
-The FRoman Catholic Brigade will tell interpret what Frank REALLY meant to say.
We all know it was the former ecumenical crap. It’s just that most Catholics here love it and others recognize that it goes against Traditional Catholicism and that it should be condemned.
The words of a true pope. Thank you.
I wouldn't be surprised by this at all. Just like they deleted Francis' previous scandalous interview statements from the Vatican website.
Thanks for replying. Prayers for our Church.
Ahhh, I see my assigning Alex the Moniker “Defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Brigades” has caught on as now we have the FRoman Catholic Brigade. Well done!. Now, do I get royalties????????????????????????? Of course, I will not take command of a brigade, I want a Division at least, and actually I think I should be in charge of a CORP.
I was going to say Parade of Papists but decided to be nice.
Ahhh, well appreciate the nicer side of Gamecock.