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Report: gay man in Michigan removed from parish ministry after “commitment ceremony”
The Deacon's Bench ^ | June 18, 2014 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 06/18/2014 2:12:13 PM PDT by NYer

This story isn’t that unusual. But the swift response from the bishop is.

Details:

A gay man in Marquette was told he can no longer have an active role in his Catholic church after he and his longtime partner held a commitment ceremony, according to news reports out of Northern Michigan.

Bobby Glenn Brown and his partner ,Don Roberts, held a ceremony celebrating 31 years together among friends and family on Saturday, June 14. The next day, officials at St. Michael Parish said he couldn’t continue his role on the pastoral council or positions of cantor, lector and a member of the choir,UpperMichigansSource.com reported.

Brown was told he could sit in the vestibule and listen to the service.

The priest said because of his ceremony, he would no longer be able to minister, Brown told public radio WNMU in Marquette. He walked out and was joined by five other parishioners.

Brown said he didn’t hide the fact that he’s gay, according to the interview with WNMU, and had previously felt “welcomed and loved” at the church.

Bishop John Doerfler of the Diocese of Marquette said the public nature of Brown’s
relationship goes against Catholic principles, according to UpperMichigansSource. Doerfler said Brown’s commitment ceremony would indicate it is permissible to act on same-sex attractions and “that’s where the disconnect is from the church’s teachings.”

Read more.

Another report adds:

In a written statement Bishop John Doerfler says “Everyone is invited to follow Jesus Christ and is invited to be a part of the Catholic Church. One of the qualifications for the public ministry within the Catholic Church is willingness to give witness to the Gospel and the Church’s teachings. Such ministries include serving at Mass as a lector or cantor. The inability to serve in a ministry does not disqualify a person from being a member of the Church.”

To me, this seems incomplete. I’d like to hear the parish’s version of what happened.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bishopdoerfler; bobbyglennbrown; donrobert; donroberts; homosexualagenda; marquette; michigan; popefrancis; romancatholicism

1 posted on 06/18/2014 2:12:13 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/18/2014 2:12:29 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Link to the full-text Free Republic thread.

4 posted on 06/18/2014 2:16:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: NYer

This is one area where I am quite in agreement with the RCC. A PRACTICING homosexual has NO place being active in ANY believing church. A CHASTE person with homosexual TENDENCIES is yet welcome as long as impulses/temptations are NOT ACTED ON.


5 posted on 06/18/2014 2:30:36 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!F)
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To: NYer

Well just sitting here waiting for the Protestants to come tell us how evil we are and what the priest should have done. In 5....4....3...2...1...


6 posted on 06/18/2014 2:33:48 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: NYer
This story isn’t that unusual. But the swift response from the bishop is. [...] To me, this seems incomplete.

What do you think is missing - an explanation for the swiftness of the bishop's response?

7 posted on 06/18/2014 2:41:06 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: defconw

Let me be the first Protestant to defy your expectations, then. The priest acted rightly, both before and after the ‘commitment ceremony.’ All are sinners, and all sinners are welcome to seek reconciliation with God through Jesus Christ, but continuing in sin is not an option for a Christ-follower (no matter what kind of sin that is).


8 posted on 06/18/2014 2:42:02 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: defconw

It sounds to me (a Protestant) that it was handled quite well. But then, I was raised Catholic before seeing what was right for me.


9 posted on 06/18/2014 2:45:53 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar

Oh trust me! This was posted earlier. Apparently the very priests they dislike are supposed to be all knowing. The guy should not have been Baptized etc. I refuse to be upset by it, rather I now find it amusing!


10 posted on 06/18/2014 2:49:22 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: NYer

bkmk


11 posted on 06/18/2014 2:53:56 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: cripplecreek

Your comment literally made me laugh out loud!


12 posted on 06/18/2014 3:05:44 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Bitter clinger & creepy-ass cracker)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Somebody needs to pimp those homos.


13 posted on 06/18/2014 3:08:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: NYer

If it was understood that he was a non repentant sinner (homosexuality) and had no intention of ever repenting (31 years) what was he doing in a position with the Church to start with??? Obviously any efforts to save him have failed by this point..........


15 posted on 06/18/2014 3:19:09 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: NYer

DON’T ASK, DON’T TELL....noone cares if you’re queer...but if you tell, you cannot expect to control people’s reactions...


16 posted on 06/18/2014 3:36:30 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: NYer

Deacon, the word is “homosexual”. “Gay” means “happy”.


17 posted on 06/18/2014 3:50:50 PM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
If it was understood that he was a non repentant sinner (homosexuality) and had no intention of ever repenting (31 years) what was he doing in a position with the Church to start with??? Obviously any efforts to save him have failed by this point..........

Being a homosexual is not a sin; acting on it, is.

18 posted on 06/18/2014 3:53:52 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: defconw

I wll do no such thing.The Church is a victim in this,it’s what you do now that matters.Sounds like the right things are being done too,the freak was removed from his”ministry”,whatever that was.


19 posted on 06/18/2014 3:54:23 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: cripplecreek

By the time they reach that age,they need baggy clothes to hide the Depends.


20 posted on 06/18/2014 3:56:16 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Farmer Dean

Nuthin worse than having an “outie”.


21 posted on 06/18/2014 4:00:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: NYer

Good for them. It’s the homosexuals who abuse children sexually.


22 posted on 06/18/2014 4:15:17 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

**We reached out to the Diocese for Marquette for more information regarding their sudden decision.

In a written statement Bishop John Doerfler says “Everyone is invited to follow Jesus Christ and is invited to be a part of the Catholic Church. One of the qualifications for the public ministry within the Catholic Church is willingness to give witness to the Gospel and the Church’s teachings. Such ministries include serving at Mass as a lector or cantor. The inability to serve in a ministry does not disqualify a person from being a member of the Church.”**


23 posted on 06/18/2014 4:18:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dcwusmc
This is one area where I am quite in agreement with the RCC. A PRACTICING homosexual has NO place being active in ANY believing church. A CHASTE person with homosexual TENDENCIES is yet welcome as long as impulses/temptations are NOT ACTED ON.

Well put.

24 posted on 06/18/2014 5:45:39 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: dcwusmc

“This is one area where I am quite in agreement with the RCC. A PRACTICING homosexual has NO place being active in ANY believing church. A CHASTE person with homosexual TENDENCIES is yet welcome as long as impulses/temptations are NOT ACTED ON.”

These deviants have cost the Church millions in lawsuits; at the first indication that they “aren’t right” they have to be removed from anything that would expose children to harm.

Yes, it was a homosexual scandal, complete with homosexual rape.


25 posted on 06/18/2014 6:20:18 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: NYer

He did not hide the fact that he was gay.

That indicates the sodomy was approved by the congregation.

Romans1
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


26 posted on 06/18/2014 8:49:34 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: NYer

Being a homosexual is not a sin; acting on it, is.>>>>

Yeah, its not a sin for a dog to be a dog but its a sin for him to bark.......


27 posted on 06/18/2014 8:55:26 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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The inability to serve in a ministry does not disqualify a person from being a member of the Church.”


Yeah, I sure would like to hear them try to convince the early Church of that.

Revelation 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


29 posted on 06/18/2014 9:06:28 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: NYer
Being a homosexual is not a sin; acting on it, is.

Matthew 5:27-28 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

1 Samuel 16:7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

This business of *being a homosexual but not acting on it is OK* is a bunch of nonsense.

Sin begins in the heart before it bears fruit in the actions.

It's one thing to struggle with temptation. It's another to self-identify with it, to accept it and let sin become your identity.

The Catholic church, or any church for that matter, which affirms homosexuality in any way such as saying that it's OK to be one as long as you don't act on it, is on the slippery slope.

*Celebrating* your sinfulness and sinful inclinations is a recipe for spiritual disaster.

30 posted on 06/18/2014 10:34:46 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: NYer

The no-questions-ask “welcoming” policy of this church has come back to bite them. Welcoming any and all unrepentant sinners to participate in the heart of a church of Jesus Christ is not biblical in the least.


31 posted on 06/19/2014 2:19:51 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: metmom

I guess all alcoholics are going straight to Hell in your book.

Let’s hope you never committed a sin and then stopped doing it because it was a sin.

You’ll join them.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 12:21:11 PM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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If you’re still owning the sin as a point of identity, you haven’t repented of it.

God did not make people homosexuals. They chose that path.

If they claim homosexuality and figure that if they physically abstain but mentally do not but still engage, they they are sinning in their hearts.


33 posted on 06/19/2014 3:57:46 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom
God did not make people homosexuals. They chose that path.

Except that someone can have same-sex attraction without ever consciously choosing to have it, just as someone can struggle with a temptation toward some other sin without ever consciously choosing to be tempted in that particular way.

That doesn't make it psychologically normal, BTW, just not a consequence of deliberate choice and therefore not a sin.

Acting on it is a sin.

34 posted on 06/19/2014 9:37:03 PM PDT by Campion
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