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An Open Letter To Pope Francis
Christian Order ^ | September 23, 2013 | Lucrecia Rego de Planas

Posted on 06/18/2014 7:20:48 PM PDT by ebb tide

Dearest Pope Francis,

I am so pleased to have the opportunity to greet you.

You'll surely not remember me and I understand, since, seeing so many new people every day, it must be very difficult for you to remember all the people with whom you have conversed and lived at some point during in your life.

Over the past 12 years, we happened to meet, several times, you and I, in some meetings, gatherings, and Church congresses that were held in the cities of Central and South America on various topics (communication, catechesis, education). During these pastoral meetings I had the opportunity to interact with you for several days, sleeping under the same roof, sharing the same table and even the same desk.

Back then, you were the Archbishop of Buenos Aires and I was the director of an important means of Catholic communication. Now you are nothing more and nothing less than the Pope and I ... only a mother, a Christian, with a very good husband and nine children, who teaches mathematics at the University and seeks to collaborate as best as she can with the Church, from the place where God has put her.

From those meetings where we met several years ago, I remember that more than once you saying to me:

"Girl, call me Jorge Mario, we're friends," to which I replied, startled: "No way, Mr. Cardinal! Lord save me from being familiar with one of His princes on earth."

Now, however, I dare to be familiar, because you are no longer Cardinal Bergoglio, but the Pope, my Pope, the sweet Christ on earth, whom I have the confidence to address as my own father.

I decided to write to you because I suffer and I need you to comfort me. I'll explain what is happening to me, trying to be as brief as possible. I know you like to comfort those who suffer, and now I'm one of them.

When I first met you during these retreats, when you were still Cardinal Bergoglio, I was struck and puzzled that you never acted like the other cardinals and bishops. To give some examples: you were the only one there that did not genuflect before the tabernacle or during the Consecration; if all the bishops presented themselves with their cassocks and their clerical garb, because the rules of the meeting required it, you presented yourself in suit and clerical collar. If all of you were sitting on the seats reserved for the bishops and cardinals, you left empty the place of Cardinal Bergoglio and sat at the back, saying "I'm fine here, I feel more at ease." If the others were coming in a car corresponding to the dignity of a bishop, you were coming, later than the others, harassed and in a hurry, recounting aloud your encounters on the public transport by which you had chosen to come to the meeting.

Seeing these things — what a shame to tell you — I said to myself: "Ugh ... who wants to attract attention! Because, if you want to be truly humble and simple, is it not better to behave like the other bishops and go unnoticed?".

My Argentine friends who also attended these meetings, somehow noticed my confusion, and they were saying to me:

"You're not the only one. We all were always puzzled, but we know his clear criteria, since in speeches he shows some convictions and certainties, always faithful to the Magisterium and the Tradition of the Church; he is a brave and loyal defender of correct doctrine. But ... apparently, he loves to be loved by all and please everyone, so one day he could make a speech on TV against abortion, and the next day, on the same TV show, bless the pro-abortion feminists in the Plaza de Mayo; can give a wonderful speech against the Masons and, a few hours later, be dining and drinking with them in the Rotary Club."

Dear Pope Francis, it is true, this was the Card. Bergoglio I knew closely. One day, chatting animatedly with Bishop Duarte Aguer about the defense of life and of the liturgy and, the same day, at dinner, chatting just as animatedly with Bishop Ysern and Bishop Rosa Chavez on base communities and the terrible obstacles presented by "the dogmatic teachings "of the Church. One day, a friend of Cardinal Cipriani and Cardinal Rodriguez Maradiaga, talking about business ethics and against the ideologies of the New Age and, a while later, a friend of Casaldáliga and Boff talking about class struggle and "the richness" that Eastern techniques can contribute to the Church.

With this in mind, you will understand that my eyes opened enormously the moment I heard your name after the "Habemus Papam" and, since that time (before you asked) I have prayed for you and my beloved Church. And I have not stopped for a single day since then. When I saw you on the balcony, without mitre, without cape, breaking the protocol of greeting and the reading of the Latin text, thereby trying to differentiate yourself from the rest of the Popes in history, I smiled worriedly and said to myself: "Yes, without a doubt. This is Cardinal Bergoglio."

In the days following your election, you gave me several opportunities to confirm that you are the same person I had known closely, always looking to be different: you asked for different shoes, a different ring, a different Cross, a different chair and even room and home different from the rest of the Popes who had been humbly content with existing things, without the need of "special" things for themselves.

In those days I was trying to recover from the immense pain felt by the resignation of my beloved and much admired Pope Benedict XVI, with whom I identified from the beginning in an extreme way, for the clarity of his teachings (he is the best teacher in the world), for his fidelity to the Sacred Liturgy, for his courage in defending sound doctrine amid the enemies of the Church and for a thousand other things I will not enumerate. With him at the helm of the Barque of Peter I felt I was standing on firm ground. And with his resignation, I felt the ground disappearing beneath my feet, but I understood it, because the winds were really stormy and the papacy something too rough for his strength, now diminished by age, in the terrible and violent culture war being waged.

I felt as though abandoned in the middle of the war, the earthquake, the most ferocious hurricane, and that was when you arrived to replace him at the helm. We have a new captain, we give thanks to God! I trusted fully (without any doubt) that, with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, with the prayer of the faithful, with the weight of responsibility, with the assistance of the working group in the Vatican and with the consciousness of being observed throughout the world, Pope Francis would leave behind the special things and ambivalences of Card. Bergoglio and would immediately take command of the army, and with renewed vigour continue the path of intense struggle that his predecessor had been waging.

But, to my surprise and bewilderment, my new general, rather than take up arms on arrival, began his tenure using papal time to call his barber, his dentist, his landlord and his newsagent, attracting attention to his own person and not to the relevant issues of the papacy.

Six months have passed since then and I admit, with love and emotion, you've done a trillion good things. I really like (very much) your formal speeches (to politicians, gynecologists, communicators, the World Day of Peace, etc.) and your homilies on feast days, because in them we see a thorough preparation and a deep meditation of each word used. Your words, in these discourses and homilies have been real food for my spirit. I like very much that people love you and applaud you. You are my Pope, the Supreme Head of my Church, the Church of Christ.

However — and this is the reason for my letter — I must tell you that I have also suffered (and suffer), from many of your words, because you have said things that have felt like low blows to my sincere intentions of loyalty to the Pope and the Magisterium.

I feel sad, yes, but the best word to express my current feelings is: perplexity. I do not know, truly, what I should do, what I should say and what not to say, I do not know where to tighten or where to slacken. I need you to orient me, dear Pope Francis. I'm really suffering, and much, for I still have this perplexity.

My serious problem is that I have devoted much of my life to the study of Sacred Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium, with the aim of having firm reasons to defend my faith. And now, many of these solid foundations turn out to be contrary to what my beloved Pope says and does. I'm truly perplexed and I need you to tell me what to do.

Let me explain with some examples:

I cannot applaud a Pope who does not kneel in front the Tabernacle or during the Consecration as the rite of the Mass requires, but I cannot criticize him, because he is the Pope!

Benedict XVI asked us in Redemptoris Sacramentum to inform the local bishop of infidelities and liturgical abuses we witness. But ... should I report to the Pope, or to whom, above him, that the Pope does not respect the liturgy? I do not know what to do. Do I disobey the instructions of our Pope Emeritus?

I cannot feel happy that you have eliminated the use of the paten and kneelers for communicants; and delight even less that you never go down to give Communion to the faithful, do not call yourself "the Pope", but only "Bishop of Rome," do not use the fisherman's ring. But I cannot complain, because you are the Pope!

I cannot feel proud that you have washed the feet of a Muslim woman on Holy Thursday, since it is a violation of liturgical norms, but I cannot make a peep, because You are the Pope, whom I respect and I must be faithful!

I was terribly hurt when you punished the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate because they were celebrating the Mass in the ancient rite, since they had the express permission of your predecessor in Summorum Pontificum. And to punish them, means going against the teachings of previous popes. But to whom do I complain about my pain. You are the Pope!

I did not know what to think or say when you publicly mocked a group that had sent you a spiritual bouquet [of rosaries], calling them "those who count the prayers"; spiritual bouquets being a beautiful tradition in the Church, what should I think if my Pope doesn't like and mocks those who offer them.

I have a thousand "pro-life" friends who, being excellent Catholics, you upset a few days ago by calling them "obsessed and obsessive." What should I do? Comfort them, falsely softening your words or hurt them even more, repeating what you said to them, for the sake of wanting to be faithful to the Pope and his teachings?

At WYD you called the young people to "make a mess in the streets." The word "mess," as far as I know, is synonymous with "disorder", "chaos", "confusion." Really, this is what you want young Christians to create in the streets? Is there not already enough confusion and disorder about without adding to it?

I know of many older single women (spinsters), who are very cheerful, very congenial, and very generous and they really felt wretched when you told the nuns they should not have a face like a spinster. You made me feel really bad for my friends and my soul ached for them, for there is nothing wrong with having stayed single and dedicated one's life to good works (in fact, the unmarried state is specified as a vocation in the Catechism). What should I tell my "spinster" friends? That the Pope was not speaking seriously (which a Pope may not do), or rather tell them I support the Pope and that all spinsters have a face like bitter religious?

A couple of weeks ago you said that "what we are experiencing is one of the best moments of the Church." How can you say that as Pope when we all know that there are millions of young Catholics living in concubinage and so many other millions of Catholic marriages using contraceptives; when divorce is "our daily bread" and millions of Catholic mothers kill their unborn children with the help of Catholic doctors; when there are millions of Catholic businessmen who are not guided by the social doctrine of the Church, but by ambition and greed; when there are thousands of priests who commit liturgical abuses; when there are hundreds of millions of Catholics who have never had an encounter with Christ and do not know the most essential doctrine; when education and governments are in the hands of Freemasonry and the world economy in the hands of Zionism? Is this the best time of the Church?

When you said it, beloved Pope, I panicked, wondering if you meant it. If the captain does not see the iceberg before us, it is very likely we will crash into it. Did you say it seriously because you sincerely think like this, or was it "just a manner of speaking"?

Many great preachers felt devastated upon learning that you said that it was no longer necessary to speak about some themes on which the Church has already spoken and which are set forth in the Catechism. Tell me, dear Pope Francis, what should we do, then, Christians who want to be faithful to the Pope and also to the Magisterium and Tradition? Do we stop preaching even though St. Paul has told us that it should be done in season and out of season? Do we end up compelling brave preachers to be silent, while we coddle sinners and gently tell them that, if they can and want to, they should read the Catechism to know what the Church says?

Whenever you talk about the "shepherds smelling of their sheep," I think of all those priests who allowed themselves to be contaminated by the things of the world and have lost their priestly aroma to acquire a certain smell of rotteness. I do not want shepherds who smell like sheep, but sheep that do not smell of dung, because their pastor takes care of them and always keeps them clean.

A few days ago you talked about the vocation of Matthew with these words: "I'm impressed by the gesture of Matthew. He clings to his money, as if saying: 'No, not me! No, this money is mine'." I could not help but compare your words with the Gospel (Mt 9, 9), against which the same Matthew says of his vocation: "And Jesus went forth from thence, he saw a man who was sitting at the tax office, whose name was Matthew, and said unto him, Follow me. And he rose and followed him."

I cannot see where it is grasping for money (nor see it in the painting of Caravaggio). I see two different accounts and wrong exegesis. Who should I believe, the Gospel or the Pope, if I want (as I really want) to be faithful to the Gospel and the Pope?

When you spoke of the woman who lives in concubinage after a divorce and an abortion, you said that "she now lives in peace." I wonder: Can a woman who has voluntarily abandoned the grace of God live in peace? Previous Popes, from St. Peter to Benedict XVI, said that it is not possible to find peace apart from God, but Pope Francis has affirmed it. What should I support, the Magisterium of the ages, or this novelty? Must I affirm, starting today, in order to be faithful to the Pope, that peace can be found in a life of sin?

Then you dropped the question but left unanswered what the confessor should do, as if you wanted to open Pandora's box knowing that there are hundreds of priests who, erroneously, counsel couples to continue cohabiting. Why my Pope, my dear Pope, did you not tell us in a few words what should be advised in cases like this one, instead of opening up doubt in sincere hearts?

I met Cardinal Bergoglio at an almost familial level and I am a faithful witness that you are an intelligent, likeable, spontaneous, very witty, and very clever man. But I do not like how the press is publishing all your sayings and quips, because you are not a parish priest; you are no longer the Archbishop of Buenos Aires; you are now the Pope! and every word you say as Pope, acquires ordinary magisterial value for many who read and hear you.

Anyway, I have written too much already abusing your time, my good father. With the examples I have given you (although there are many others) I believe I have made clear the pain of uncertainty and perplexity that I am living.

Only you can help. I need a guide who enlightens my steps based on what the Church has always said, who speaks with courage and clarity, who does not offend those who work to be faithful to Jesus' command; who calls "the bread, bread and the wine wine", 'sin' sin and virtue 'virtue', even if with this he risks his popularity. I need your wisdom, your firmness and clarity. I ask you for help, please, for I am suffering much.

I know that God has gifted you with a very keen intelligence, so that, trying to comfort myself, I've been able to imagine that everything you do and say is part of a strategy to disconcert the enemy, presenting yourself before him with a white flag so he lowers his guard. But I would like us to share your strategy with those who fight on your side, because, in addition to disconcerting the enemy, you are also disconcerting us and we no longer know where is our own headquarters and where is the enemy front.

Thank you, once again, for all the good you have done and said during the great feasts, when your homilies and speeches have been beautiful, because they really have helped me a lot. Your words have encouraged and driven me to love more, to love always, to love better, to show the whole world the loving face of Jesus.

I send you a very loving filial hug, my dear father, with the assurance of my prayers. I also ask for yours, for me and for my family, of which I attach a photograph, so that you can pray for us, with familiar faces and bodies.

Your daughter who loves you and prays for you every day,

Lucrecia Rego de Planas


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: arrogance; catholic; francis; humility; pope; popefrancis; vatican
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1 posted on 06/18/2014 7:20:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The Pope has been a very unpretentious kind of man for years. When the author first encountered him, he was Archbishop of Buenos Ares, and he said to her, “Girl, call me Jorge Mario, we’re friends!”. Of course, she declined to do that, although she was touched at his openness.


2 posted on 06/18/2014 7:29:52 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: ebb tide

From her lips to the pope’s ears. I hope he sees it, and reads it, and takes it to heart. Might do him (and us) some good.


3 posted on 06/18/2014 7:35:35 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: ebb tide

Real Catholics are feeling abandoned by this Pope. I truly hope his intentions are good or he is being misunderstood and misinterpreted, but it seems like in these darkest of days for the world, we need someone who will help combat the evil forces that are becoming more powerful by the day. Not someone the evil forces admire. They use his words against the faithful. I pray for the Pope, but I must say I feel abandoned. He seems to be clueless of the elephants in the room.


4 posted on 06/18/2014 7:38:22 PM PDT by Phillyred
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To: ebb tide

She might also have added this whole debacle involving Cardinal Kaspar and Maradiaga - both close to the pope - on the question of communion for the divorced and remarried.

Kaspar the only speaker at the consistory, and Maradiaga publically beating up on the head of the CDF for defending the Church’s historical position on the question.

He has set the stage for false expectations on the question - just like the days before Humanae Vitae. The Church cannot change on this matter; just as it could not on contraception.


5 posted on 06/18/2014 7:43:02 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: ebb tide

A very clever letter, disguised as revealing the Pope’s comments. Does the idiot writer realize that the Pope’s first language is NOT English?


6 posted on 06/18/2014 7:44:35 PM PDT by kitkat (STORM HEAVEN WITH PRAYERS FOR OUR COUNTRY)
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To: ebb tide

http://www.eyeofthetiber.com/2013/04/25/pope-francis-to-investigate-roman-curia-on-tv-show-undercover-boss/


7 posted on 06/18/2014 7:48:20 PM PDT by gasport (Will operate for food.)
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To: kitkat
A very clever letter, disguised as revealing the Pope’s comments. Does the idiot writer realize that the Pope’s first language is NOT English?

Before you accuse the writer of being an "idiot", you might have checked the website first and seen that the letter was said to have been translated from Spanish. Just saying.

8 posted on 06/18/2014 7:48:45 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: ebb tide

“...when education and governments are in the hands of Freemasonry and the world economy in the hands of Zionism? Is this the best time of the Church?”

?????????????????????


10 posted on 06/18/2014 7:54:03 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Left wing. Right wing. One buzzard.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Yes I was wondering that too!


11 posted on 06/18/2014 7:59:06 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Mr Rogers

One could almost WISH that education and governments were in the hands of Freemasonry — they’d do a whole lot better than they are now, floundering around in their secular lostness.

And that’s recognizing Freemasonry as sub-Christian and contradictory to Christianity in some areas.

And those “Dirrrrrrty Joooooooooz”... I had NO idea they were THAT powerful. Yet! (When their Brother, Jesus Christ, returns, we will see something.)


12 posted on 06/18/2014 8:04:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ebb tide

A humble Catholic would have sent this letter to the Pope himself and prayed that it might get there rather than have it published - it seems that criticism is allowed to walk it’s own course while not according any such grace to the Pope. A humble Catholic would have not gone to such lengths to paint themselves so low and give of themselves such a good account. A humble Catholic would not have written a letter that is so obviously an incite for those who think the same way and who want to undermine the Pope. Everyone wants to tell the Pope what to do and how to behave - I want to ask - did the Holy Spirit appoint and annoint the Pope or did He not? If so what criticism you have lay it at the feet of God! Is this a politician you are criticizing? He may be a little quirky and different - is that a fault or is that why God chose him? I swear if Jesus was appointed you would find much fault with him!


13 posted on 06/18/2014 8:05:53 PM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: Mr Rogers
“...when education and governments are in the hands of Freemasonry and the world economy in the hands of Zionism? Is this the best time of the Church?” ?????????????????????

Missed that bit of strangeness on the first read. Still, there are a lot of good points for the pope.

14 posted on 06/18/2014 8:06:15 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: melsec

Ain’t no more humble a Catholic than Francis; just ask him yourself.

He makes it a point to be Humble Jorge, at the expense of the Church.

P.S. Paul admonished the first Pope, St. Peter; and St. Peter accepted the correction, something this pope is too prideful to emulate.


15 posted on 06/18/2014 8:13:44 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: melsec
I swear if Jesus was appointed you would find much fault with him!

You "swear"? Why?

16 posted on 06/18/2014 8:18:22 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: melsec
"A humble Catholic would have sent this letter to the Pope himself and prayed that it might get there rather than have it published - it seems that criticism is allowed to walk it’s own course while not according any such grace to the Pope. A humble Catholic would have not gone to such lengths to paint themselves so low and give of themselves such a good account. A humble Catholic would not have written a letter that is so obviously an incite for those who think the same way and who want to undermine the Pope. Everyone wants to tell the Pope what to do and how to behave - I want to ask - did the Holy Spirit appoint and annoint the Pope or did He not? If so what criticism you have lay it at the feet of God! Is this a politician you are criticizing? He may be a little quirky and different - is that a fault or is that why God chose him? I swear if Jesus was appointed you would find much fault with him!"

I agree with you to a large extent. Seems she had some contact with him before; and perhaps she might have had a good shot of getting it to him based on that past connection. She might have had a reasonable hope of getting a letter through - and who knows, he might have called her, the way he operates.

That said, she does give voice to a degree of anxiety which is out there - and it is a message I would hope is somehow getting through to him by some means.

What you say about the pope being picked by the Holy Spirit is true; it must also be remembered that while the pope is protected from teaching error - it doesn't mean he will be wise, the best administrator or example. There have been a number of popes in need of correction of one form or another; and where subsequent popes had to clean up the messes predecessors left behind. There have been some "disasters" as popes; but the wonderful thing is, the Holy Spirit protects the Church. Now, I am not saying Pope Francis is one of those potential "disasters" - but we have been relatively spoiled in the last couple hundred years with a string of good popes.

17 posted on 06/18/2014 8:23:43 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: Miles the Slasher; melsec

Does the Holy Spirit pick the pope? Ratzinger didn’t think so. - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2013/02/does-the-holy-spirit-pick-the-pope-ratzinger-didnt-think-so/#sthash.DLDcLQeH.dpuf


18 posted on 06/18/2014 8:35:21 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: melsec
...A humble Catholic would not have written a letter that is so obviously an incite for those who think the same way and who want to undermine the Pope. Everyone wants to tell the Pope what to do and how to behave...

In terms of "undermining," this might be layed at the pope's feet. Pelosi quoted the the pope at her own bishop the other day!! Incredible. You can be sure this is happening a lot, up and down the hierarchy, down to the parish priest level nowadays - as folks cherry pick their favorite pope quote of the day. As I said, it is a message the pope needs to hear - in my "humble" or "not so humble" opinion.

19 posted on 06/18/2014 8:36:05 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Does the Holy Spirit pick the pope? Ratzinger didn’t think so. - See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2013/02/does-the-holy-spirit-pick-the-pope-ratzinger-didnt-think-so/#sthash.DLDcLQeH.dpuf

I see no need to go into the question in greater depth in this specific thread. Either way, it does not change my central point to melsec, which is, that we have had 'disasters' as valid popes; and there is no guarantee that any future pope, or this current pope for that matter, might not be one.

20 posted on 06/18/2014 8:43:12 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: Miles the Slasher

Agreed.


21 posted on 06/18/2014 9:13:23 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Mr Rogers; HiTech RedNeck; Miles the Slasher; ebb tide; wideawake; All
...when education and governments are in the hands of Freemasonry and the world economy in the hands of Zionism? Is this the best time of the Church?

Where's my cut?[/humor]

There is a certain kind of right winger to whom "Zionism" is everything other than a simple secular nationalist movement like Irish Republicanism, the Armenian Dashnaks, or the Italian risorgimento. To them "Zionism" really is "the world conspiracy." Everything liberal Jews in the media or "international bankers" do is literally to advance "Zionism." All the State of Israel is (according to these people) is a sort of (lehavdil!) "Vatican" of the "new world order" from which everything is going to be run. And it isn't just Catholics who believe this; I'm still furious with the John Birch Society for presenting itself as a decent, non-sectarian anti-Communist movement when it's crypto-official theologies are Rushdoonyian Protestant "reconstructionism" and Feeneyite/sedevacantist Catholicism. The JBS has even reversed its formerly pro-military position since with the fall of Communism only Jews allegedly benefit from American military actions. Not only do they not support the policies--they don't even support the troops any more.

There is a great divide here which no one seems to notice or understand. Let me try to explain as briefly as I can.

Some of us weren't raised in post-Biblical religions with two thousand years of continuous history. Some of us grew up with the Bible. Our golden age was not the Middle Ages. Our holy cities were not Rome and Constantinople. Our warrior heroes were never Charlemagne or Roland or El Cid. Our holy kings were never Contantine or Drtad or Menelik or Justinian or Theodosius. And the great eschatological monarch we looked forward to was never a restored Bourbon dauphin.

Look at a map of America, especially the old settlements on the coast or the tiny hamlets of the hinterlands. Our towns and cities have names like Canaan, Zarephath, Boaz, Pisgah, Moab, and Nebo. See how many of our little rural churches are named "Mt. Zion."

You people who can only see evil and "Satan" and damnation and absolute and abject horror in a restored Biblical polity will never understand. Your chrstianity may be the most authentic thing in existence, but it is alien to us. We don't know your kings, your saints, or your "holy" lands. But we know the Prayer of Jabez and that Methuselah lived to be 969 years old. What could you possibly tell us? How in the world do you even hope to appeal to us? While we have some terminology in common, it's very deceptive to take that too far. We will never understand you, and you will never understand us. There's not even any need in trying.

Meanwhile, while you see our devotion to the Jews and Israel as either misplaced or the spirit of "antichrist," most Jews don't understand either--and not just the liberal ones. To most of them my people are poisonous vipers to whom the whole thing is a scam and a pose while they lurk like demons to destroy Jewish souls with missionary activity. Does it mean anything to the most devout Charedi sage on earth that there are people who live in Boaz, Alabama? No . . . Boaz, Alabama is the home of monsters from the pit, the "ultimate chrstians." Meanwhile Jewish ecumenists constantly meet with the Pope and Orthodox patriarchs. Somehow, like the goat of `Azaz'el, all the guilt of those churches from two thousand years of history has completely left the institutions that actually committed those crimes and lodged itself in the people of Boaz, Alabama--a people that didn't even exist until relatively recently. To Jews my people are too chrstian. To Catholics and Orthodox and Birchites they aren't chrstian enough. But in their imperfect way I sincerely believe that their intention has always been to follow the True G-d. Unfortunately, they won't listen to me or others like me, and they remain in exile in that desert no man's land between two religions, hated by both opposites who seem to have little trouble with each other.

There is a really sick web site by a lunatic who claims that the trouble with the Catholic Church is that it has accepted the Bible and the Biblical G-d (even the "new testament" J*sus is declared an imposter, a Jewish conspirator who tried to replace the "true" chr*st who apparently was never in Jerusalem in his life. He says this is why the Catholic Church originally tried to destroy the Bible, and that it is only subversion that has led them to accept it. He's also adamantly opposed to any "second coming," btw. Anti-Bible and anti-eschatology--a complete Fundamentalist Protestant stereotype of Roman Catholicism. And yes, I know he's a nut and I don't blame him on Catholicism. But I tell you with all sincerity I wonder sometimes why many Catholics (and other anti-Jewish/Zionist chrstians) don't just go ahead and adopt his views completely. Every nation is declared beloved, every nationalism is considered a positive good . . . except for one. The Biblical nation is never supposed to be restored, and any nationalism by the Biblical chosen people is treated as "the 'real power' behind Communism" and accused to controlling the world economy! This is sick! This is hateful! This is EVIL!!! No, not "evil" as defined by someone like Alan Dershowitz. I mean "evil" as the antithesis of everything G-dly. I mean `AMALEQ-style evil. The de-literalization of messianic prophecy and the insistence that the actual Biblical Israelites must all blend in with everyone else and cease to exist (while the Biblical Holy Land is turned into some kind of big international park maintained by the United Nations) is based on a twisting of the entire message of the Bible. How can any sane person who isn't malicious down to the innermost recesses of his soul make such claims?

This is not to smear all Catholics/Orthodox/classical Protestants, and it is most certainly not to encourage practitioners of Judaeo-chrstian syncretism to continue in their hopeless quest to restore what never actually existed (a genuinely orthodox Jewish chrstianity), though that is what they'll take from this. But they love the Jewish People, and they do so with absolutely no encouragement, reward, or gratitude from most Jews. They do it because G-d told them to. Their stubbornness is tragic when it causes them to stick with an error. But I must admit, when it causes them to stick to what is right when no one else in the chrstian world will do so, it still makes me proud of them. I still love them, whatever they may think of me.

22 posted on 06/18/2014 9:23:55 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and altar! (In Jerusalem!!!))
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You should look at yourself for “cursedtianity.”

By the way, most Jews are not as self flattering as you are.


23 posted on 06/18/2014 9:25:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Phillyred

**Real Catholics are feeling abandoned by this Pope**

In what way.

Most of what he has said has been mis-reported.


24 posted on 06/18/2014 9:34:11 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Miles the Slasher

Kasper had been debunked


25 posted on 06/18/2014 9:35:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Kasper had been debunked

By whom? Certainly not the pope who chose him to be the sole speaker before the last consistory. After a number of cardinals objected to parts of his talk, the pope later referred to his "serene" theology, or some such ridiculousness. Cardinal Maradiaga, head of the pope's inner circle of eight, castigated Cardinal Muller of the CDF, publically, for being too strict on the question of communion for the divorced/remarried. The pope should rebuke Kaspar and Maradiaga...but we may have to wait on that.

26 posted on 06/18/2014 9:49:59 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: Miles the Slasher

There have been many articles about how wrong he was. Homework time?


27 posted on 06/18/2014 9:54:11 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I am sure much of it is. However, he should talk less if he is unable to be succinct.

I do not think this Pope is right for our times.


28 posted on 06/18/2014 9:59:44 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Salvation
"There have been many articles about how wrong he was. Homework time?"

Certainly I know that there have been 'debunkers' in the Catholic blogosphere, and elsewhere. However, the one who matters is the pope. He seems to have let some wolves in among the sheep - and it won't do to apologize for one, by calling him a 'serene' wolf.

29 posted on 06/18/2014 10:02:06 PM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: ebb tide

bumpus ad summum


30 posted on 06/18/2014 11:04:19 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: ebb tide
"but I cannot criticize him, because he is the Pope!"

Wow. I just don't get this way of thinking.

31 posted on 06/19/2014 4:59:29 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: CatherineofAragon

And it’s not Catholic.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 5:04:07 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

The person who wrote the letter isn’t Catholic?


33 posted on 06/19/2014 5:05:49 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: CatherineofAragon

She is. The idea that you can’t criticize the Pope is not a Catholic idea.


34 posted on 06/19/2014 5:15:37 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What could you possibly tell us?

Repent and believe for the Kingdom of God is at hand.

35 posted on 06/19/2014 6:33:03 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Miles the Slasher

Missed that bit of strangeness on the first read. Still, there are a lot of good points for the pope.

...that phrase marked the writer as a wingnut...I read the rest of it with that in mind...


36 posted on 06/19/2014 7:34:21 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: Salvation

**Real Catholics are feeling abandoned by this Pope**

In what way.

Most of what he has said has been mis-reported.

...perhaps the poster should have dropped the term ‘real’ Catholics, for that is open to interpretation, but that many Catholics wait with anticipation for the end of his pontificate is without doubt...

...which of course does not mean his successor will please us any more...as in fact nobody can please everybody, and only a fol will try...


37 posted on 06/19/2014 7:48:11 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: IrishBrigade

.as in fact nobody can please everybody, and only a fol will try...

...and only a fool spells himself as ‘fol’...


38 posted on 06/19/2014 7:52:08 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: IrishBrigade

LOL


39 posted on 06/19/2014 7:59:00 AM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

Spreading your usual critical spirit?


40 posted on 06/19/2014 8:23:28 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: IrishBrigade

I have doubts as to the veracity of such a letter.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 8:24:49 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

Spreading your usual critical spirit?

...looking at the original poster’s profile, I see that he/she appears to be a tradition loving Catholic, which places him firmly in my own camp...is that the source of your asperity with him/her...?


42 posted on 06/19/2014 8:34:29 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: SumProVita

I have doubts as to the veracity of such a letter.

...you believe it to be a fabrication by some traditionalist tribe..?


43 posted on 06/19/2014 8:38:10 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: IrishBrigade

Would that be tradition (with a small-case t), Tradition with a capital T) or Tradition in the sense that he knows better than the appointed and anointed Hierarchy of the Church?

My problem is with the CONSTANT attempt of that poster to criticize Pope Francis.


44 posted on 06/19/2014 8:39:58 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: IrishBrigade

I simply have doubts about it...and I definitely question how it is being used. I’m fairly sure that the prime instigator regarding the use of this letter ...is quite ancient.

;-o


45 posted on 06/19/2014 8:43:26 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

Are you thinking it’s not real? I mean, even though you disagree with the contents, why would it be hard to believe that someone could/would write this?


46 posted on 06/19/2014 8:49:08 AM PDT by piusv
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To: SumProVita

Would that be tradition (with a small-case t), Tradition with a capital T)...

...ah, brings back my old RCIA classes, and the simplistic attempt to explain the Deposit of Faith...such silly courses, really...I recall inquiring about the TLM, and they looked at me as if I had sprouted a second neck...

or Tradition in the sense that he knows better than the appointed and anointed Hierarchy of the Church?...

...I’ve met numerous modern Catholics who told me that my criticism of Vat II was misplaced, and that I was mocking the divine providence of the Holy Spirit, and should learn what it means to humble and charitable...and then I sat back and watched as some sputtered and fumed in outrage when the appointed and anointed decided the ICEL Mass translation had to be improved, and they railed at the Credo’s ‘I’ replacing the phony inclusivity of ‘we’...I asked, ‘but what of charity to those that form our Faith?...


47 posted on 06/19/2014 8:59:17 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: SumProVita

I’m fairly sure that the prime instigator regarding the use of this letter ...is quite ancient.

...a curious choice of word indeed...ancient...do you refer to the age of the ‘prime instigator’, in which case what would it matter how old he is, or is something else implied with such a cryptic term...?


48 posted on 06/19/2014 9:03:58 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: IrishBrigade
Missed that bit of strangeness on the first read. Still, there are a lot of good points for the pope.

...that phrase marked the writer as a wingnut...I read the rest of it with that in mind...

Certainly. However, that said, it remains, while all of her commentary reflects her personal views, much of it - not all - parallels the concerns, in my opinion, of what I suspect to be a good many faithful Catholics.

It does not follow that if someone is a wingnut or holds some prejudice with regard to a particular position, that all of what they say is wrong with regard to some other area of knowledge. There might be a little wingnut in everyone; 'so let he who is without wingnutism, cast the first stone.'

49 posted on 06/19/2014 9:05:09 AM PDT by Miles the Slasher
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To: Miles the Slasher

It does not follow that if someone is a wingnut or holds some prejudice with regard to a particular position, that all of what they say is wrong with regard to some other area of knowledge.

...well said...and having been said, I just defend my utterance by stating my aversion to the term ‘Zionist’, as it conjures a phony bogeyman that Hitler’s crowd would have understand all too well...

‘so let he who is without wingnutism, cast the first stone.

...as Holy Writ continues to be translated with increased laxity of refined expression, I’m sure that line has a chance to make it in there...


50 posted on 06/19/2014 9:15:38 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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