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More claim abuse at North Catholic
Trib Live News ^ | 6/18/2014 | Bobby Kerlik

Posted on 06/19/2014 5:57:46 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne

The sexual abuse scandal at Cardinal Wuerl North Catholic High School has widened to at least 22 alleged victims, as the Diocese of Pittsburgh said on Wednesday that three more have come forward.

The latest allegations implicate Marianist Brother William Kiefer, who was at the school from 1956 to 1962 and is now deceased, said diocese spokesman the Rev. Ron Lengwin. The number of accused Marianists is now nine, he said.

The oldest allegation dates to the 1940s, Lengwin has said.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: catholic; corruption; sexualabuse

1 posted on 06/19/2014 5:57:46 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Dr. Thorne
so lawyers racking up billions attacking dead priests who can not speak nor defend themselves, and so called victims coming out of the wood work to talk about "crimes" done over 50 yrs ago?.....

just like the PTSD defense, its all in vogue to claim something just to get money...

2 posted on 06/19/2014 6:13:55 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
this is why I want all of these charges in criminal court....these victims need to prove that something happened, not just suddenly remember it to get on the gravy train...

I don't respect the church of my youth for not taking this to trial....

3 posted on 06/19/2014 6:15:34 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Dr. Thorne

50 and 60 years ago?


4 posted on 06/19/2014 6:27:24 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: cherry

Of course. Nobody ever really got molested by the priests. They’re all just looking to win life’s lottery.

That’s a common accusation used to try to discredit the abused.

While there are, no doubt, people who will jump on any bandwagon to get some money, this accusation is hurled about EVERY claim, doing a grave injustice to those who really were truly abused. Basically, it abuses them again.

Clearly, abuse in the Catholic religion continues. Nothing has changed.


5 posted on 06/19/2014 6:32:50 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Dr. Thorne

allegations that old are meaningless....I was born in 1939 and other than remembering the celebrations as the war ended, nothing of those years leaps to mind....on the other hand, I’m not looking for a financial handout...


6 posted on 06/19/2014 6:45:09 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: metmom
Clearly, abuse in the Catholic religion continues. Nothing has changed.

your statement borders on.....no actually meets the description of asininity...

7 posted on 06/19/2014 6:48:27 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: metmom

Nothing has changed? This is a new accusation about something that happened more than half a century ago, damn near sixty years. This is hardly a current event.

Every body involved is dead except for the guy with his hand out, and of course his lawyer taking 40% off the top.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 6:49:20 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Thank you for saving me from having to do it...


9 posted on 06/19/2014 6:49:53 PM PDT by JPX2011
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10 posted on 06/19/2014 6:51:06 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: cherry
Fifty years ago was the height of the ‘sexual revolution’ remember. The Church along with society was told that these men had mental problems that could be cured through psychology and prayer. The Church had no idea how to handle these perverts, many of whom where simply your garden variety homosexual who wanted nothing more than to get their rocks off on pubescent boys.

Notice these are not young children, but pubescent boys. 13 - 18 years of age. They are the prime candidates for ALL homosexuals. That is exactly what they are looking for. There has never been a pedophile problem in the Catholic Church. There was, and in some areas still is, a serious homosexual problem. This is more of the mid century touchy feely ‘God is all Love’ crap that brought about ecumenical horse manure and Vatican II. Misguided stupidity that has costs the Church and greater society a greatly.

11 posted on 06/19/2014 7:00:34 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: cherry
Sometimes when you read an article, there are additional pieces of key info. In this case, this...

"The North Catholic scandal erupted on March 20 when the diocese learned that Marianist Brother Bernard Hartman, 74, a former science teacher at North Catholic, is awaiting trial in Australia on charges that he molested four students at a Catholic school there in the 1970s and 1980s.

Lengwin said the diocese reacted promptly, sending two letters to North Catholic graduates, which generated reports of abuse. "

Sounds like a pattern - at least in this guy.

12 posted on 06/19/2014 7:01:21 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

...in the 1970s and 1980s.
...in the 1970s and 1980s.
...in the 1970s and 1980s.
...in the 1970s and 1980s.

Hmmmm, a tad past the normal statute of limitations. Maybe an agenda at work?


13 posted on 06/19/2014 7:02:54 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: narses

“Hmmmm, a tad past the normal statute of limitations. Maybe an agenda at work?”

No doubt! I think every former Catholic High student just dreams of the opportunity to come out as someone a priest buggered...

Or maybe it happened in the 70s and 80s.


14 posted on 06/19/2014 7:06:45 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: metmom

“Clearly, abuse in the Catholic religion continues. Nothing has changed.”

- - - - -

Clearly you did not read the story. It happened over 50-60 years ago. And while it was clearly wrong, and was not dealt with properly - there is no doubt that some of these allegations are being deliberately dug up in order to line the pockets of leftist trial lawyers, and to attack the RC church specifically and Christianity in general.


15 posted on 06/19/2014 7:11:48 PM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: narses
Hmmmm, a tad past the normal statute of limitations. Maybe an agenda at work?

There's all kinds of agendas at work here:

The lawyer agenda: money.

The homo agenda: Which sought to infilitrate and subvert the Catholic Church, then and now. Mostly with a nihilistic motive.

The MSM agenda: to propagandize in an attempt to change Church teaching and discipline.

The Prot agenda: Concurrent with the Homo/MSM agenda. Some people just want to watch the world burn especially when it's the, "whore of babylon". I always found it interesting that when speaking with protestants about the downfall of morality they always ascribe it to personal sin, "Woe is us, we're all just miserable sinners." And yet when the matter involves individuals in the Catholic Church all of a sudden it becomes a matter of theology and doctrine.

I'll keep that in mind the next time some protestant biblical "scholar" or congregation determines scriptural warrant for homosexual sodomy.

16 posted on 06/19/2014 7:18:56 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: metmom

Please keep saying these things it really makes you look relevant. /MAJOR SARC.


17 posted on 06/19/2014 7:37:04 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Gumdrop

It seems you missed my point.

The continuing abuse wasn’t what happened 50 or 60 years ago.

It’s what’s going on when Catholics claim that all those who file claims of abuse are in it for the money. It does a disservice to those who truly were abused by discrediting them.

Sexual abuse is a serious matter and it’s unconscionable to accuse those who suffered from it as being money grubbers. It tells them that what they experienced wasn’t so bad after all and they are over reacting and/or lying.

It’s just further abuse to the already abused.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 7:44:22 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Jim from C-Town
The Church had no idea how to handle these perverts, many of whom where simply your garden variety homosexual who wanted nothing more than to get their rocks off on pubescent boys.

The Bible that the Catholic church continually takes credit for writing tells EXACTLY how to handle sexual sin.

The reason they're in the mess they're in is because they didn't deal with it according to Scriptural precedent.

1 Corinthians 5

It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.

For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

The *church* had NO business taking advice from the world. They are reaping what they sowed by that unwise decision.

19 posted on 06/19/2014 7:50:16 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom

Please read my answer again. I merely mentioned that these accusations that are about supposed abuse that occurred over 50 years ago, may actually be cases of lawyers trying to line their pockets or bring down the Catholic Church.

May I ask you or anyone who is honest to consider that the accused offender is deceased, and all other potential witnesses are also gone - then how is such a case supposed to be litigated in a fair way? It cannot be done.

I am not going to answer any more of your responses. I know that many abuse cases have come to light, but enough is enough when it is about cases that are half a century old. Does the Catholic Church have no recourse to a statute of limitations? Would a public school district still be sued over something that happened to a student 50 years ago? How about a Baptist church or a social worker? Can they be sued over cases that are more than 50 years old and the accused is deceased?????


20 posted on 06/19/2014 7:57:24 PM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: metmom

What do you mean by “in the Catholic religion”?

Are there Catholics, lay and clerical, who have abused kids? Sure.

Are you saying that there is something peculiar to the Catholic RELIGION that encourages abuse?

If that is so, then you have to explain why Catholic priests have a lower rate of sexual abuse than teachers, and the ministers of many denominations.


21 posted on 06/19/2014 8:07:15 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Dr. Thorne

When Fr. Donald Wuerl was rector of the seminary in Pittsburgh, the seminarians said that “you can’t make it through this place without a twirl with Wuerl.”


22 posted on 06/19/2014 8:09:29 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: vladimir998
"50 and 60 years ago?"

Yeah didn't you hear the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor-too. I hear Doolittle is doing a raid... But ssshhh it's a secret.

23 posted on 06/19/2014 9:18:27 PM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: cherry
so lawyers racking up billions attacking dead priests who can not speak nor defend themselves, and so called victims coming out of the wood work to talk about "crimes" done over 50 yrs ago?.....
just like the PTSD defense, its all in vogue to claim something just to get money...

The smell of money. Satan and his minions must have an atomizer of the money smell on them at all times.

24 posted on 06/19/2014 9:31:19 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Jim from C-Town
There was, and in some areas still is, a serious homosexual problem

Which is why I think the post Vatican II Church knew exactly what the deal was. They wanted gays in the seminaries, they pushed out those who were anti-gay agenda. When the sexual abuse started, they covered for their gay buddies.

God is all Love’ crap that brought about ecumenical horse manure and Vatican II. Misguided stupidity that has costs the Church and greater society a greatly.

No, not misguided and stupid....but diabolical.

25 posted on 06/21/2014 3:53:38 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

And to add, yes, the Modernist, gay infiltration began before Vatican II. Otherwise Vatican II couldn’t have happened.


26 posted on 06/21/2014 4:04:52 AM PDT by piusv
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