Skip to comments.Associated Press Apologizes for Its Coverage of the Irish Orphanage Story
Posted on 06/21/2014 11:05:53 AM PDT by NYerEdited on 06/21/2014 2:12:25 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Associated Press has issued an apology for its errant reporting regarding claims of a mass grave for children of unwed mothers on the grounds of Tuam Home, an Irish home for unwed mothers.
Since the disturbing story broke early this month regarding the Tuam Home for unwed mothers in Ireland, where 796 babies were purportedly “dumped into a septic tank”, the Patheos bloggers have been on the case.
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AP should just issue an overall apology for all their sewage.
Who was the reporter responsible for this hoax?
Between 1925 and 1937, 204 children died at the Home an average of 17 per year. 17 deaths out of 200 children equals a mortality rate of8.5%. It is interesting to compare that with the rest of the country at the time. In 1933, the infant mortality rate in Dublin was 83 per thousand (ie. a mortality rate of 8.3%), in Cork it was 89 per thousand (8.9%), in Waterford it was 102 per thousand (10.2%) and in Limerick it was 132 per thousand (13.2%). (Source: Irish Press, 12th April, 1935).
These are very sad statistics indeed, but not surprising if you know the history of infant and child mortality in the era before anitbiotics (which would mean for the first 25+ years of the TGuam Children' Home existence.) Institutionalized populations, like orphanages, homeless shelters and the like, could have whole wards wiped out by influenza, TB, and gastroenteritis.
Also the historian Liam Logan (@limerick1914) who has done so much work in digging up the archives and sharing them, has discovered that the home never once left the hands of the County Council. In 1951, 10 years before it shut, the sisters were begging the board for a grant, saying that they were too ashamed to show councils part of the building which desperately needed renovations, the children were sleeping in attics in terrible conditions and the building were considered a fire risk. In a meeting in 1949, Senator Martin Quinn were told that the children were suffering as result of the condition of the building, to which he replied I do not like these statements which receive such publicity.
"First the verdict, then the evidence": motto, in this case, of Salon, Washington Post, New York Times, and yes, Fox News. And some others as well. They'll show up.
Seed planted. Mission accomplished.
It isn’t news. It’s propaganda.
Seed planted. Mission accomplished.
It isn’t news. It’s propaganda.
We told you so, yet you continued to spread the hateful lie.
Cleverly worded BS that doesn’t come straight their purposeful fictional indictment of those no longer among us to explain reality.
Not sure I understand what you’re saying here.
Any news organization this incompetent is not merely bumbling and inept, it is downright malicious. It should be sued into oblivion.
Those who want to believe nuns are in the business of murdering children will simply declare this “fake but accurate” and insist it’s genuine evidence of Catholic evil.
Where are all the FR usual suspects offering their apologies for gleefully spreading this lie?
Will posters here issue apologies for their anticatholic rants?
Not holding my breath
LOL - you expect people with the maturity of screeching chimpanzees to apologize?
Just when you thought Fox News and Salon could find something to agree on...
That’s alright, the anti-Catholic ghouls already had their Dumbocrat day and they’ll believe what they were told in the beginning without an ounce of critical thinking or research.
you know a lot of babies and children died in those days. It’s not like it is today. My grandmother’s older brother and sister both died but the remaining members of that brood survived.
Today we kill children before they are even born and many of the people who’ve been unctuously wringing their hands over the fate of these Irish babies think that’s just swell.
I’ve known only a handful of nuns. They all seemed like nice old ladies, but *wooga wooga*, who knows ...
Hoax is too soft a description. Blood libel is more appropriate.
LFC and the rest of the usual suspects kept repeating the lie over and over. Anything that will smear the Catholic Church will be regurgitated and embellished by these ner do well muck rakers.
Deep breath .. and a dose of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.
I read a report earlier that the one given credit for the story was openly insisting she did not write it.
I never used that word dumped, Catherine Corless, a local historian in Co Galway, tells The Irish Times. I never said to anyone that 800 bodies were dumped in a septic tank. That did not come from me at any point. They are not my words.
Ok so the researcher, the source, said the reporter lied. Ok.
Ohh, you have a nice ribbon there!
I would like to see if any of them have the integrity to admit that there were rash in their condemnations.
I addressed the post to Laissez-faire capitalist, who twice a few days ago posted nasty articles alleging a Church coverup of this. He insisted that the story was true, regardless of what others told him.
That's the vibe I was getting from most of the Freeper comments on these articles.
I hope it’s just an internet misunderstanding of motives, because if there are really people like that, it’s horrid.
There is no misunderstanding of motives. You will also find that the ex-Catholics and those that claim to be are among the worst.
The lamestream media - and all the usual suspects in this foul place - are just plain old Catholic-hating, God-hating enemies of God.
We should pray for them that they will not suffer the eternal fate they have earned for themselves.
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Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.
We shall see, but I seriously doubt it.
I don’t get that. I’m an ex-Presbyterian, but I don’t go around looking for evil about Presbyterians past or present. If every one of them abounded in holiness and good works, I would be thrilled ... and it wouldn’t change the fact that I disagree with some of what they believe.
Sums up the situation efficiently
LOL, the ones I’ve known are all good people. Some
fell for the new agey stuff, but that was the sixties.
We have an 80+-year-old Sister at our parish, who used to be a school principal in the inner city of Philadelphia. When I’m ready to give up on rearing my children to be functioning adults, I go see her and she tells me to buck up.
A few years ago she came to my Cub Scouts meeting and talked to the boys about growing up in the 1930s. That was absolutely priceless. “How many people lived in your house? How many rooms? NO WAY!”
One day my BIL (Fatheroffive) began to challenge me long distance from Florida on the things I was saying.
Eventually I studied my way back into the Church.
I have never felt any animosity toward the protestants I was with when I left the Church or their faiths.
I pray that they will find their way to the Church.
And that is just how it goes former Catholics are filled with ugliness and former protestants just aren't. We have the true peace of Christ and no need to bash where we came from.
I guess there’s just no telling about people. Sometimes I’m waiting in line at the Walmart, and I look at an ordinary looking man and think, “Is he like FReeper So-and-so? How would I ever know?”
I think there are advantages to not knowing what people really think. You can imagine they’re nice. The internet takes that away. On the other hand, you can get to know marvelous people you would never get the chance to speak to in real life.
I’m sure the usual suspects around here will reference it for years to come in their attacks on the Church.
On the other hand I have met some really great people. My mother had a medical scare a little while ago and Salvation had the prayer warriors out in a heart beat.
It will; al come out on judgment day.
All it sounds like AP is apologizing for is their printing of a story in which "some" points were not factual which they had been told. It sounds like there is STILL an ongoing investigation and all the FACTS are not known. We now are told:
1. Only "some" children who died were baptized (but not all). How many? No one knows yet. How many that were put into the mass grave? We don't know yet.
2. That children born to unwed mothers were denied baptism because it was "church" teaching is clarified that it wasn't "church" teaching to deny baptism even though they don't know if some were still denied it anyway in practice.
3. The part of the story that dead children's bodies were placed in a used septic tank hasn't yet determined if it WAS a septic tank and won't be known unless and until an excavation is done. Yet, we do know that blueprints of the property show a "septic tank" in the same spot. Let's not forget many Catholics here accepted that it was a septic tank "re-purposed" for a burial vault. What is so volatile about this?
4. Until, or unless, there is an excavation, no one knows how many of the 796 children and babies who died there were buried in this structure. That eye witnesses say they SAW small skeletal remains in there when the lid was moved, hasn't changed and their testimony has not been recanted. That there were no burial records for nearly 800 children who died at that home was what prompted the whole story in the first place.
5. Finally, the year the home was opened was off a year in the AP report. Is that a HUGE deal?
If those pitching a fit now towards others who DARED post a thread or a comment bemoaning what might have gone on there would look back at those threads, they would see the SAME comments of NOT condemning anyone until all the facts are known - I know I said it several times. This apology from the AP is admirable but only in the sense that they were able to correct the errors they had previously printed. From what I can see, there is a full investigation going on and the people of Tuam, Ireland are just as concerned about getting to the truth as we all should be. In other words, don't jump the gun demanding apologies for something you don't even know the full truth yet.