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Associated Press Apologizes for Its Coverage of the Irish Orphanage Story
Seasons of Grace ^ | June 20, 2014 | Kathy Schiffer

Posted on 06/21/2014 11:05:53 AM PDT by NYer

Edited on 06/21/2014 2:12:25 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Associated Press has issued an apology for its errant reporting regarding claims of a mass grave for children of unwed mothers on the grounds of Tuam Home, an Irish home for unwed mothers.

Since the disturbing story broke early this month regarding the Tuam Home for unwed mothers in Ireland, where 796 babies were purportedly “dumped into a septic tank”, the Patheos bloggers have been on the case.


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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: ap; bethanyhomes; ireland; orphanage
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1 posted on 06/21/2014 11:05:53 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

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2 posted on 06/21/2014 11:06:12 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

AP should just issue an overall apology for all their sewage.


3 posted on 06/21/2014 11:08:52 AM PDT by boycott
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To: NYer

Who was the reporter responsible for this hoax?


4 posted on 06/21/2014 11:13:06 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: NYer
Irish Blogger Shane, (Lux Occulta) has carried out research indicating that the mortality rate in the home at Tuam was actually LOWER than much of the rest of the country, except in Dublin, where it was the same.

Between 1925 and 1937, 204 children died at the Home — an average of 17 per year. 17 deaths out of 200 children equals a mortality rate of8.5%. It is interesting to compare that with the rest of the country at the time. In 1933, the infant mortality rate in Dublin was 83 per thousand (ie. a mortality rate of 8.3%), in Cork it was 89 per thousand (8.9%), in Waterford it was 102 per thousand (10.2%) and in Limerick it was 132 per thousand (13.2%). (Source: Irish Press, 12th April, 1935).

These are very sad statistics indeed, but not surprising if you know the history of infant and child mortality in the era before anitbiotics (which would mean for the first 25+ years of the TGuam Children' Home existence.) Institutionalized populations, like orphanages, homeless shelters and the like, could have whole wards wiped out by influenza, TB, and gastroenteritis.

Also the historian Liam Logan (@limerick1914) who has done so much work in digging up the archives and sharing them, has discovered that the home never once left the hands of the County Council. In 1951, 10 years before it shut, the sisters were begging the board for a grant, saying that they were too ashamed to show councils part of the building which desperately needed renovations, the children were sleeping in attics in terrible conditions and the building were considered a fire risk. In a meeting in 1949, Senator Martin Quinn were told that the children were suffering as result of the condition of the building, to which he replied “I do not like these statements which receive such publicity”.


"First the verdict, then the evidence": motto, in this case, of Salon, Washington Post, New York Times, and yes, Fox News. And some others as well. They'll show up.

5 posted on 06/21/2014 11:23:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stop judging by mere appearances, but judge with righteous judgment." - (John 7:24))
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To: NYer

Seed planted. Mission accomplished.

It isn’t news. It’s propaganda.


6 posted on 06/21/2014 11:28:54 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: NYer

Seed planted. Mission accomplished.

It isn’t news. It’s propaganda.


7 posted on 06/21/2014 11:28:55 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

We told you so, yet you continued to spread the hateful lie.


8 posted on 06/21/2014 11:30:27 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: NYer

Cleverly worded BS that doesn’t come straight their purposeful fictional indictment of those no longer among us to explain reality.


9 posted on 06/21/2014 11:35:29 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: goodwithagun

Not sure I understand what you’re saying here.


10 posted on 06/21/2014 11:36:58 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: NYer
This isn't just an error on AP's part. It is evidence of a systemic bias, a willingness to report the worst about our moral institutions, without any regard for veracity, integrity, or objectivity.

Any news organization this incompetent is not merely bumbling and inept, it is downright malicious. It should be sued into oblivion.

11 posted on 06/21/2014 11:40:03 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Those who want to believe nuns are in the business of murdering children will simply declare this “fake but accurate” and insist it’s genuine evidence of Catholic evil.


12 posted on 06/21/2014 11:43:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: Tax-chick
On one of these threads I admited that nuns kill babies and drink their blood. I think that ended that thread! :)
13 posted on 06/21/2014 11:53:06 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: goodwithagun

Schadenfreude.


14 posted on 06/21/2014 12:09:25 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: NYer

Where are all the FR usual suspects offering their apologies for gleefully spreading this lie?


15 posted on 06/21/2014 12:10:30 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: NYer

Will posters here issue apologies for their anticatholic rants?

Not holding my breath


16 posted on 06/21/2014 12:13:36 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Where are all the FR usual suspects offering their apologies for gleefully spreading this lie?

LOL - you expect people with the maturity of screeching chimpanzees to apologize?

17 posted on 06/21/2014 12:16:18 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: NYer; metmom; Alex Murphy; Gamecock
Associated Press has issued an apology for its errant reporting regarding claims of a mass grave for children of unwed mothers on the grounds of Tuam Home, an Irish home for unwed mothers.

OOOPS!

18 posted on 06/21/2014 12:17:35 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: NYer

Just when you thought Fox News and Salon could find something to agree on...


19 posted on 06/21/2014 12:21:00 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: NYer

That’s alright, the anti-Catholic ghouls already had their Dumbocrat day and they’ll believe what they were told in the beginning without an ounce of critical thinking or research.


20 posted on 06/21/2014 12:28:07 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Gamecock
Spin it any way you want bud, but everyone sees your behavior for what it was.


22 posted on 06/21/2014 12:37:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Gamecock

you know a lot of babies and children died in those days. It’s not like it is today. My grandmother’s older brother and sister both died but the remaining members of that brood survived.

Today we kill children before they are even born and many of the people who’ve been unctuously wringing their hands over the fate of these Irish babies think that’s just swell.


23 posted on 06/21/2014 12:42:27 PM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: defconw

;-).

I’ve known only a handful of nuns. They all seemed like nice old ladies, but *wooga wooga*, who knows ...


24 posted on 06/21/2014 1:23:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: Gamecock

25 posted on 06/21/2014 1:27:54 PM PDT by Holdem Or Foldem (Life isn't fair, so wear a cup.)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Who was the reporter responsible for this hoax?

Hoax is too soft a description. Blood libel is more appropriate.

26 posted on 06/21/2014 1:41:14 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Vendome

LFC and the rest of the usual suspects kept repeating the lie over and over. Anything that will smear the Catholic Church will be regurgitated and embellished by these ner do well muck rakers.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 1:47:35 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; stanne; tiki
Where are all the FR usual suspects offering their apologies for gleefully spreading this lie?

Deep breath .. and a dose of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.


28 posted on 06/21/2014 2:03:43 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: Cowboy Bob

I read a report earlier that the one given credit for the story was openly insisting she did not write it.


29 posted on 06/21/2014 2:08:16 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Cowboy Bob

‘I never used that word ‘dumped’,” Catherine Corless, a local historian in Co Galway, tells The Irish Times. “I never said to anyone that 800 bodies were dumped in a septic tank. That did not come from me at any point. They are not my words.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2014/06/taum-historian-dismayed-at-media-coverage-i-never-used-the-word-dumped/

Ok so the researcher, the source, said the reporter lied. Ok.


30 posted on 06/21/2014 2:09:35 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Gamecock
So there are three things I guess you want us to apologize for:<>P>Actually no there is just one thing you and the rest of the usual suspects need to apologize for. Anything else presented by the LSM all of you view with a jaundiced eye, and you should. Unless it is about the Catholic Church and then the motto is pile on and everything is fair game. That is what the FRprotestants need to apologize for.
31 posted on 06/21/2014 2:13:19 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Holdem Or Foldem

Ohh, you have a nice ribbon there!

Congratulations!


32 posted on 06/21/2014 2:13:57 PM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: NYer
Have you pinged the usual suspects?

I would like to see if any of them have the integrity to admit that there were rash in their condemnations.

33 posted on 06/21/2014 2:18:05 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: Vendome

I addressed the post to Laissez-faire capitalist, who twice a few days ago posted nasty articles alleging a Church coverup of this. He insisted that the story was true, regardless of what others told him.


34 posted on 06/21/2014 2:20:14 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Tax-chick
Those who want to believe nuns are in the business of murdering children will simply declare this “fake but accurate” and insist it’s genuine evidence of Catholic evil.

That's the vibe I was getting from most of the Freeper comments on these articles.

35 posted on 06/21/2014 2:20:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I hope it’s just an internet misunderstanding of motives, because if there are really people like that, it’s horrid.


36 posted on 06/21/2014 2:25:08 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: Tax-chick
I hope it’s just an internet misunderstanding of motives, because if there are really people like that, it’s horrid.

There is no misunderstanding of motives. You will also find that the ex-Catholics and those that claim to be are among the worst.

37 posted on 06/21/2014 2:35:44 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: goodwithagun

Oh.


38 posted on 06/21/2014 2:41:09 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The lamestream media - and all the usual suspects in this foul place - are just plain old Catholic-hating, God-hating enemies of God.

We should pray for them that they will not suffer the eternal fate they have earned for themselves.


39 posted on 06/21/2014 2:43:11 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: NYer; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; Lowell1775; JPX2011; NKP_Vet; Jed Eckert; Recovering Ex-hippie; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

40 posted on 06/21/2014 3:00:23 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; boatbums

We shall see, but I seriously doubt it.


41 posted on 06/21/2014 3:01:53 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: verga

I don’t get that. I’m an ex-Presbyterian, but I don’t go around looking for evil about Presbyterians past or present. If every one of them abounded in holiness and good works, I would be thrilled ... and it wouldn’t change the fact that I disagree with some of what they believe.


42 posted on 06/21/2014 3:04:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: NYer

Sums up the situation efficiently


43 posted on 06/21/2014 3:07:32 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Tax-chick

LOL, the ones I’ve known are all good people. Some
fell for the new agey stuff, but that was the sixties.


44 posted on 06/21/2014 3:24:19 PM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: defconw

We have an 80+-year-old Sister at our parish, who used to be a school principal in the inner city of Philadelphia. When I’m ready to give up on rearing my children to be functioning adults, I go see her and she tells me to buck up.

A few years ago she came to my Cub Scouts meeting and talked to the boys about growing up in the 1930s. That was absolutely priceless. “How many people lived in your house? How many rooms? NO WAY!”


45 posted on 06/21/2014 3:27:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: Tax-chick; FatherofFive
I am a revert Catholic, left and came back. When I left I was filled with a lot of animosity and spite. I said many negative things about the Church, I made some of these folks look like pikers by comparison.

One day my BIL (Fatheroffive) began to challenge me long distance from Florida on the things I was saying.

Eventually I studied my way back into the Church.

I have never felt any animosity toward the protestants I was with when I left the Church or their faiths.

I pray that they will find their way to the Church.

And that is just how it goes former Catholics are filled with ugliness and former protestants just aren't. We have the true peace of Christ and no need to bash where we came from.

46 posted on 06/21/2014 3:46:24 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: verga

I guess there’s just no telling about people. Sometimes I’m waiting in line at the Walmart, and I look at an ordinary looking man and think, “Is he like FReeper So-and-so? How would I ever know?”

I think there are advantages to not knowing what people really think. You can imagine they’re nice. The internet takes that away. On the other hand, you can get to know marvelous people you would never get the chance to speak to in real life.


47 posted on 06/21/2014 3:56:54 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Cynicism is a far greater spiritual danger than naivete." ~ Stephen Webb)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I’m sure the usual suspects around here will reference it for years to come in their attacks on the Church.


48 posted on 06/21/2014 4:19:43 PM PDT by Flying Circus (God save us!)
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To: Tax-chick; Salvation
It is the anonymity of it all. I am certain that many of them would never have the courage of their convictions to say things like this to another persons face, but on the internet, it is all fair game.

On the other hand I have met some really great people. My mother had a medical scare a little while ago and Salvation had the prayer warriors out in a heart beat.

It will; al come out on judgment day.

49 posted on 06/21/2014 4:28:48 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: NKP_Vet; RegulatorCountry
From the article:

    In stories published June 3 and June 8 about young children buried in unmarked graves after dying at a former Irish orphanage for the children of unwed mothers, The Associated Press incorrectly reported that the children had not received Roman Catholic baptisms; documents show that many children at the orphanage were baptized. The AP also incorrectly reported that Catholic teaching at the time was to deny baptism and Christian burial to the children of unwed mothers; although that may have occurred in practice at times it was not church teaching. In addition, in the June 3 story, the AP quoted a researcher who said she believed that most of the remains of children who died there were interred in a disused septic tank; the researcher has since clarified that without excavation and forensic analysis it is impossible to know how many sets of remains the tank contains, if any. The June 3 story also contained an incorrect reference to the year that the orphanage opened; it was 1925, not 1926.

All it sounds like AP is apologizing for is their printing of a story in which "some" points were not factual which they had been told. It sounds like there is STILL an ongoing investigation and all the FACTS are not known. We now are told:

1. Only "some" children who died were baptized (but not all). How many? No one knows yet. How many that were put into the mass grave? We don't know yet.

2. That children born to unwed mothers were denied baptism because it was "church" teaching is clarified that it wasn't "church" teaching to deny baptism even though they don't know if some were still denied it anyway in practice.

3. The part of the story that dead children's bodies were placed in a used septic tank hasn't yet determined if it WAS a septic tank and won't be known unless and until an excavation is done. Yet, we do know that blueprints of the property show a "septic tank" in the same spot. Let's not forget many Catholics here accepted that it was a septic tank "re-purposed" for a burial vault. What is so volatile about this?

4. Until, or unless, there is an excavation, no one knows how many of the 796 children and babies who died there were buried in this structure. That eye witnesses say they SAW small skeletal remains in there when the lid was moved, hasn't changed and their testimony has not been recanted. That there were no burial records for nearly 800 children who died at that home was what prompted the whole story in the first place.

5. Finally, the year the home was opened was off a year in the AP report. Is that a HUGE deal?

If those pitching a fit now towards others who DARED post a thread or a comment bemoaning what might have gone on there would look back at those threads, they would see the SAME comments of NOT condemning anyone until all the facts are known - I know I said it several times. This apology from the AP is admirable but only in the sense that they were able to correct the errors they had previously printed. From what I can see, there is a full investigation going on and the people of Tuam, Ireland are just as concerned about getting to the truth as we all should be. In other words, don't jump the gun demanding apologies for something you don't even know the full truth yet.

50 posted on 06/21/2014 4:40:02 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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