Answering the Gay Christian Position

Christian Research Institute ^ | 06/24/2014 | Joe Dallas

[Jim Robinson]

No such thing.

[ConservingFreedom]

the Gay Christian Position

Don't tell me, I don't want to know.

[kingattax]

homosexuals will not enter God’s Kingdom. neither will adulterers or fornicators. (1 Corinthians 6:9–11)

it is as plain as that. despite the effort to do so, there is no rationalization or excuse for sin.

[SeekAndFind]

The King James version uses the word ‘effeminate”.

[Nervous Tick]

>> Consistent with this subjective approach to ethics, Perry’s first sermon to his newly formed church was titled, “Be True to You.”

Time for some reductio ad absurdum:

Decapitating homosexuals and displaying their heads on pikes “seems right to me”. I need to be true to myself, right, Percy? Er... Perry?

Of course, God proscribes murder AND homosexuality. But if you can tear the pages out of your bible that document God’s hatred of homosex, I can tear the pages out of MY bible that call murder a sin.

Right? If not, why not?

[SeekAndFind]

The Catholic Bible uses the word — SODOMITES

[allendale]

Whether you take a Biblical or a Darwinian perspective most homosexuals have it rough. The have a higher age adjusted death rate, more sickness, a higher incidence of mental illness and despite whatever legal “victories” they obtain, most remain inherently miserable and tortured.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: But if you can tear the pages out of your bible that document God’s hatred of homosex, I can tear the pages out of MY bible that call murder a sin.

Yep, that’s exactly what “progressive” churches are doing.

First, comes doubt about the inerrancy of scripture, after that... of course ANYTHING GOES.

I’ve even been to a Presbyterian church whose pastor teaches that Paul RE-INVENTED Christianity into something Jesus Himself would not recognize.

Therefore, he says he rejects - “Pauline Christianity”.

[ConservativeInPA]

I go to a pro-murder Christian church.

[Nervous Tick]

>> I go to a pro-murder Christian church.

Why don’t you go somewhere else?

[Servant of the Cross]

Phil Robertson answers that a 'Gay' Christian is an oxymoron ...

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong... Sin becomes fine,” he said. “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.”

Paraphrasing Corinthians he added: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

[kingattax]

so youre saying the Douay–Rheims Bible or “Catholic bible” uses a different term than the King James version.

thats a distinction without a difference.

im not sure what point youre trying to make

[Nervous Tick]

>> most [homosexuals] remain inherently miserable and tortured.

Sadly for them, that’s to be expected. Homosex is of Satan.

And the faceless, anonymous, ruthless, relentless, and very effective homosexual mafia is one of the clearest manifestations I have ever seen of the “spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places” Paul wrote about in his letter to the Ephesians. (6:12)

[redleghunter]

Reading some of the replies, I noticed very few actually read the article you posted. Good find from CRI. Thanks.

[ConservativeInPA]

Because I can’t find one that breaks all of the commandments without consequence.

[lurk]

There are many more arguments available to be put forth beyond the basic passages provided in scripture.

But first, the gospel must be preached.

[huldah1776]

Applies to ALL sexual immorality and actually coveting what God does not want us to have...

2 Kings 6:26b Elisha: “Is it a time to receive money and to receive clothes and olive groves and vineyards and sheep and oxen and male and female servants?”

[mom of young patriots]

The author came around to the right side of the argument, which is good. He makes some convincing counter arguments to present to the proponents of gay (non) Christianity.

They won’t listen, though. They only hear what they want to hear or they’d never twist the meanings in the Bible passages they way they have. They want to feel good about themselves and certify their own behavior and they do so at the expense of countless generations of Christian doctrine based on succinctly written words.

These fringe churches need to be isolated or their relativism will spread like a virus through the next generation. Tolerance has its place, but it can be a double edged sword.

[Phlyer]

Actually, the KJV uses "abusers of themselves with mankind". The original Greek is "arsenkoites", or those who 'bed' other men (in a sexual way - it's the same word as 'coitus'). The NIV translates that as "homosexual offenders."

"Effeminate" is used for another behavior that will keep one from entering the kingdom of heaven - "malakos" in the original Greek. This is translated in the NIV as 'male prostitutes' but the same word - malakos - is used in other places in the Bible (in the Greek) to refer to those who are overly concerned with fashion and fine clothes.

I think it is important - and this supports what the author of the original article is trying to say - to recognize that the original Greek, and both English translations show that it is homosexual 'offenders' who are not fit to enter the kingdom of heaven. It's possible for someone who has homosexual desires - but controls them - to be Christian. It is the same as someone who has fully (and normal) heterosexual desires for a woman other than his wife - yet controls them. Or someone who has a tendency to alcohol addiction - yet controls it.

In our resurrection bodies, those desires of the flesh will no longer trouble us. Those who deny that these urges are sinful - and so rebel against God - are not fit to enter the kingdom of heaven.