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[Cardinal] Tagle Tells Priests: Don’t Say ‘Good Morning’ During Mass
Yahoo News ^ | 6/25/14

Posted on 06/26/2014 6:12:55 AM PDT by marshmallow

Manila Archbishop Luis Antonio Cardinal Tagle asked priests to do away with their habit of greeting their parishioners “good morning” during Mass, saying the expression “the Lord be with you” is already sufficient.

“With all due respect, my brother-priests, I do not see the need for saying ‘good morning’ and similar greetings when God’s real presence in the Holy Eucharist alone suffices,” he said in an article posted on the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) website.

“Is not the expression ‘The Lord be with you’ more than enough?” added Tagle.

(Excerpt) Read more at ph.news.yahoo.com ...


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1 posted on 06/26/2014 6:12:55 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

:)


2 posted on 06/26/2014 6:14:03 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: marshmallow
Thank you.

We have an order of Mass for a reason.

If you want to gladhand people, have a coffee hour after Mass.

3 posted on 06/26/2014 6:14:43 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Thank you. You don’t have to like people to be a christian.


4 posted on 06/26/2014 6:17:06 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: wideawake
Thank you. We have an order of Mass for a reason. If you want to gladhand people, have a coffee hour after Mass.

"Take your wafer and get out."

5 posted on 06/26/2014 6:19:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: wideawake

I agree wideawake.


6 posted on 06/26/2014 6:19:52 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: lsucat; Teófilo; NYer; Salvation; Nihil Obstat; mileschristi; bornacatholic; Mrs. Don-o; narses; ..

Faith of Our Fathers ping


7 posted on 06/26/2014 6:23:51 AM PDT by rrstar96 (Strength and Honor!)
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To: marshmallow

The world slides into immorality and this is what a Cardinal is worried about?


8 posted on 06/26/2014 6:25:25 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: marshmallow
“With all due respect, my brother-priests, I do not see the need for saying ‘good morning’

perhaps there is no "need," but truly, is it offensive? i remember a few years ago, i was at a Good Friday service in the late morning... a gal walked in very quietly, late... i think she was on a work break... she found a seat and the priest noticed her... he said, quite sternly, "you're late!" and then i think he realized how he came across and very kindly said, "you may have a seat."

when the service was over, and my two young sons and i were driving home, my youngest son, out of the blue, said, "you're late!" and my older son said, "you may have a seat." and then we all started laughing...

now when any of us is late, we go through this whole routine... "you're late! you may have a seat." :)

9 posted on 06/26/2014 6:25:36 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Alex Murphy

That’s a nasty thing to say, Alex.


10 posted on 06/26/2014 6:31:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

He doesn’t know any better, bless his heart (in the Southern sense of the expression).


11 posted on 06/26/2014 6:34:22 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: marshmallow; Mrs. Don-o
saying the expression “the Lord be with you” is already sufficient.

I know this isn't the Cardinal's point, but wouldn't it be great if, "The Lord be with you," or "The peace of Christ!" were standard greetings, rather than, "Good morning," or "Hey!"

"Viva Cristo Rey!" "Que viva!"

12 posted on 06/26/2014 6:39:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Told 'em not to science those burgers too hard. ~ Darksheare)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Baiting is his thing. That’s literally all he does.


13 posted on 06/26/2014 6:47:48 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Alex Murphy

Alex, you’re more and more revealing a darkside to your spirit. Hate will eat you up from the inside out, Alex.


14 posted on 06/26/2014 6:51:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Tax-chick

Well, my old roomate, who has half Greek said that on Easter, the greeting is “He is risen!”. Not ‘happy Easter’. And you say it when you answer the phone or see people you know.


15 posted on 06/26/2014 6:52:21 AM PDT by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: marshmallow

Read the very short article folks.

Just say “How are you?” and don’t listen for an answer and don’t give one.

If this Cardinal were focused, he would speak on only one topic at a time, one per month, unlike say giving a speech where you talk about a lot of interesting things and the media picks up on one or none of them. Damn fool.


16 posted on 06/26/2014 6:52:47 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Alex Murphy
"Take your wafer and get out."

A statement that says far more about Calvinism than it does about Catholicism.

17 posted on 06/26/2014 6:52:52 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: latina4dubya
I would not call it offensive, but.... this how stuff gets started. Like the hand holding during the Our Father. Oh that annoys me! Any way. We are all supposed to be doing the same thing at the same time by the rubrics. If everyone would just follow the rubrics, we would have more order.

Funny story by the way. :)

18 posted on 06/26/2014 6:53:33 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
This has nothing to do with liking or not liking people.

I may like the person I'm standing next to at Mass very much - but there is a time for small talk and Mass is not that time.

The celebrant may have a winning personality, but his personality is completely irrelevant to the Mass.

19 posted on 06/26/2014 6:56:20 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Last Dakotan; marshmallow; latina4dubya
"The world slides into immorality and this is what a Cardinal is worried about?"

More like, "The world slides into immorality and this is what the press slices out with with its exacto knife and makes a headline out of for transmission around the world..."

If you go to the source of this quoted fragment, it's neither on the homepage of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) website, nor on the official Documents and Statements page--- which makes me think it might have been a fairly incidental remark, not the topic of some Filipino Summa Theologica.

Take a good look at what the Filipino bishops ARE talking about.

But the media gets to define what's newsworthy,right?


On the substance of his quoted remarks, I must say "good for him." It's not that there's anything "intrinsically wrong" about saying "Good morning" at the start of Mass, it's just that it's so vapid.

It's like a Marine Corps Flag Ceremony starting with the words "Hi, there, folks." There's a place for "Good morning" and "Hi there, folks and it's not at the beginning of a solemn observance.

20 posted on 06/26/2014 6:56:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: married21

Yes, “He is risen!” and the response, “Risen indeed.” Our Greek FRiends even post in Greek.


21 posted on 06/26/2014 6:57:07 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Told 'em not to science those burgers too hard. ~ Darksheare)
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To: Tax-chick

In the German-speaking Catholic regions until recently the standard hello was : “Gruess Gott” - “God greet you!” as opposed to the now-standard “Wie geht’s?” or “Guten Tag” (”How’s it going?” “Good day”).


22 posted on 06/26/2014 6:59:51 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Tax-chick

Viva Cristo Rey!


23 posted on 06/26/2014 7:03:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: MHGinTN; Alex Murphy

I think he’s doing a take on Jeff Dunham’s grumpy old man dummy Walter talking about being a Walmart greeter. “Welcome to Walmart. Get your stuff and get out”. Seriously saying good morning” last I heard was not blasphemy, sinful, nor disrespectful, to anyone including The Lord in any church.


24 posted on 06/26/2014 7:03:27 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: wideawake
That's neat.

In The Quiet Man, guests announce, "Peace to all in this house!" surely based on Jesus's instruction to the disciples, "When you enter a house, bid your peace to come upon it."

(The reply is, "Wipe your muddy boots!")

25 posted on 06/26/2014 7:04:04 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Told 'em not to science those burgers too hard. ~ Darksheare)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Que viva la Virgen de Guadalupe!


26 posted on 06/26/2014 7:05:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Told 'em not to science those burgers too hard. ~ Darksheare)
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To: married21
That was the tradition. My Parish still uses it. If the priests would just read the words in the book, all would be well. They have a homily, the can say Good Morning there. Just my opinion.
27 posted on 06/26/2014 7:06:49 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: latina4dubya
It's not offensive in itself.

It's just part and parcel of the attitude of the priest who:

(1) Likes to add phrases to the collects and to personalize the responses; (2) Likes to drop parts of the order that he finds tedious or replace them with something else he likes better; (3) likes to give homilies about the funny thing that happened to him on vacation rather than about the Gospel reading; (4) likes to take the mic from the pulpit and wander around; (5) likes to deputize 15 extraordinary ministers to communicate 50 people while he sits in the sanctuary . . .

And all the other things we've come to dread.

28 posted on 06/26/2014 7:08:47 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Alex Murphy

Or say....Hey, Hows it hangin


29 posted on 06/26/2014 7:11:42 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: married21

I am LCMS Lutheran.

We say “He is Risen!” and the response is “HE IS RISEN INDEED!! HALLELUJAH!”

My poor bride was very confused the first Easter we spent with my family.


30 posted on 06/26/2014 7:11:49 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wideawake; The_Media_never_lie; latina4dubya
#20

I concur with all who are saying "Hey, there's a time and a place."

Seriously, nobody's saying "Good Morning" is a mortal sin, it's just inappropriate to a solemn occasion.

How would you judge the propriety of starting a U.S. Marine Corps Flag Ceremony with "Hi there, everybody"? or ending a funeral with "BUH-BY!!"?

31 posted on 06/26/2014 7:15:10 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Tax-chick

QUE VIVA!


32 posted on 06/26/2014 7:15:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Last Dakotan; Mrs. Don-o
The world slides into immorality and this is what a Cardinal is worried about?

The integrity of the Liturgy must be maintained. It goes deeper than aesthetics, though that is important. We time bound creatures are invited to "lay aside all earthly cares, that we may receive the King...." (Orthodox hymn before Communion)

Any word or deed from Priest or Parishioner that distracts us from the eternal to the temporal rightly should be discouraged. And Priests need to be clear on the difference between administering the Sacraments / Mysteries and being a Master of Ceremonies.

33 posted on 06/26/2014 7:22:11 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
How would you judge the propriety of starting a U.S. Marine Corps Flag Ceremony with "Hi there, everybody"? or ending a funeral with "BUH-BY!!"?

i do not see those examples congruent to saying, "good morning..."

34 posted on 06/26/2014 7:22:39 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: latina4dubya
Many do see "Good morning," as congruent to "Hi there, folks." But the point is, neither of them is congruent to "The Lord be with you."

The Mass is a great solemnity, much moreso than the Marine Corps Raising of the Colors. That's why we have, you know, RUBRICS.


35 posted on 06/26/2014 7:34:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Can you help me please? Thank-you.

Can you tell me what the words “say the black, do the red” thank-you!


36 posted on 06/26/2014 7:40:28 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

I agree.


37 posted on 06/26/2014 7:46:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Biggirl; Mrs. Don-o

It is illustrated in The Roman Missal posted by Mrs. Don-o


38 posted on 06/26/2014 7:50:14 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Biggirl

The black text is the words the priest is to say during Mass. The red text is instructions for the actions he is to perform, such as washing his hands, elevating the Host, etc.


39 posted on 06/26/2014 8:03:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Told 'em not to science those burgers too hard. ~ Darksheare)
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To: married21
on Easter, the greeting is “He is risen!”

He is risen indeed!

40 posted on 06/26/2014 8:07:37 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: Tax-chick

Okay, no problem. :)


41 posted on 06/26/2014 8:08:25 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: wideawake
To make ü type ü .

To make ß type ß .

42 posted on 06/26/2014 8:14:53 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: defconw; Salvation
Like the hand holding during the Our Father. Oh that annoys me!

Just do what Salvation does and lie about your health. We all know that lying to believers is just fine. /sarc.

43 posted on 06/26/2014 8:19:19 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

I strike the proper liturgical stance and close my eyes. Case closed. Sometimes a little untruth is kinder than the truth.


44 posted on 06/26/2014 8:24:46 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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To: latina4dubya

LOL!


45 posted on 06/26/2014 8:26:31 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: cva66snipe
I think he’s doing a take on Jeff Dunham’s grumpy old man dummy Walter talking about being a Walmart greeter. “Welcome to Walmart. Get your stuff and get out”.

LOL at last, someone figured it out.

Seriously saying good morning” last I heard was not blasphemy, sinful, nor disrespectful, to anyone including The Lord in any church.

It's my understanding that "good morning" (no matter how innocuous) constitutes a "deviation from the script" that directs how mass should be conducted, and deviations are strictly forbidden. The way this story is being reported, it sounds like being friendly is also being forbidden, hence the "Walter" impersonation.

46 posted on 06/26/2014 8:26:38 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
okay... but i disagree about the congruency...

in all seriousness, i prefer he say, "Dominus vobiscum."

47 posted on 06/26/2014 8:32:13 AM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: latina4dubya
Et cum spiritu tuo!


48 posted on 06/26/2014 8:40:42 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Alex Murphy
It's my understanding that "good morning" (no matter how innocuous) constitutes a "deviation from the script" that directs how mass should be conducted, and deviations are strictly forbidden. The way this story is being reported, it sounds like being friendly is also being forbidden, hence the "Walter" impersonation.

I reckon saying Shalom{sp} would spark a riot??? I'm not RC. In the church I went to the Minister of Music began the service with the choir singing then next three songs congregation sang. Then the preacher stepped up and said Let us pray then followed by prayer amen "please be seated" a welcome to ones there, followed by scripture passage, then any announcements etc. Then another song then the sermon, Alter Call, and dismissal song and a prayer used done by an elder.

49 posted on 06/26/2014 8:45:34 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

No, After the Priest arrives at the altar after the first song, He says in the “Name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit,Amen peace be with you, we answer and with your spirit”. So Shalom is peace. Might raise and eyebrow or two. :)


50 posted on 06/26/2014 8:51:58 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
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