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Pope says communists are closet Christians
Reuters ^ | 6/29/2014

Posted on 06/29/2014 3:20:21 PM PDT by ebb tide

Pope Francis, whose criticisms of unbridled capitalism have prompted some to label him a Marxist, said in an interview published on Sunday that communists had stolen the flag of Christianity.

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1 posted on 06/29/2014 3:20:21 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Is the Pope telling Putin to come out of the closet?


2 posted on 06/29/2014 3:24:00 PM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: ebb tide

This is what diversity can get for you.

Shouldn’t everyone rejoice that there is a retarded Pope?


3 posted on 06/29/2014 3:24:17 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ebb tide

Except in Russia, where the Christians are closet communists.


4 posted on 06/29/2014 3:24:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ebb tide

FRANCIS, THE JESUITS AND THE GOOD MARXISTS

Pope Francis is more open to the followers of proscribed Marxist liberation theology than to orthodox traditional Catholics.

From “Dark REBELLION in the Church” - Jesuits, theology of liberation, Carmelites, Marianists and Socialists: the final complaint.” Ricardo de la Cierva. P. 11-13

“Your theology helps the transformation of Latin America more than millions of books on Marxism” Fidel Castro to Leonardo Boff and Frei Beto in the presence of the Spanish Bishop in Brazil, Pedro Casáldiga, C.M.F., who plays end the phrase in his book Nicaragua, combat and prophecy, Madrid, helped, 1986, p.134

“The Mission of the Jesuits in the third world is to create conflict. We are the only powerful group in the world that makes it.” César Jerez S. J., provincial of Central America 1976-1982, at a meeting of Jesuits in Boston, New England Jesuit News, April, 1973.

“At the same time we Christians are children of a Virgin and a whore (Ivan Illich) and believe that this is the truth.” Ernesto Cardenal, priest and then Minister of Nicaragua, in the biography of J. L. González, Salamanca, “Follow me”, 1978, p.23

“The Communists, and not the Jesuits, are winning the battle of atheism.” Igor Bonchkovski in New Times, n.40, Moscow, 1975

“The national planning of the Society of Jesus in the United States should, following the example of China, become an international planning. Towards the convergence of problems in all areas of the world around a single theme: the construction in different times and forms of a world Communist society.”

Strategic document of a group of Dutch Jesuits - in collaboration with other Jesuit revolutionaries—published for internal debate in the official journal of the society of Jesus in the United States, National Jesuit News, April 1972.

“Socialist societies are very ethical, clean, physically and morally. If it weren’t for his materialist doctrine it could be argued that they carried out the ethical teaching of the social doctrine of the Church.” Leonardo Boff on his return from a trip to Moscow, cfr.ABC, 16-VII-87, p.45...

Marxist theologian, Leonardo Boff was elated at the election of Pope Francis... It seems that Pope Francis share with the Liberation Theologians the same high regard for Communist values.

“Marxism provides a scientific understanding of the mechanisms of oppression in the world, at local and national levels; It offers the vision of a new world which must be built as a socialist society, the first step to a classless society, where genuine brotherhood can be hopefully possible, and by which deserves sacrifice everything.” Declaration of the theological Association of India in the magazine Vidyajyoti, of the Theological Faculty of the Jesuits in Delhi, April, 1986.

Pope Francis has persecuted traditional Catholics that follow the Tridentine Mass, but it seems to maintain close ties with the leaders of the Marxist liberation theology, a movement condemned by Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Pope Francis has affirmed that he has met many Marxists in his life who are good people, so he doesn’t feel offended when he’s questioned about his Marxist proclivities. I wonder how Pope Francis’ remarks would have been received if he were referring to the many good people he has met who were Nazis? After all, many more Christians have been murdered and persecuted by the “good Marxists” than by the “good” Nazis.

It is very worrisome that it is the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Muller, he himself a follower of the liberation theology, who confirms that Pope Francis has close ties with the liberation theology, something that is in clear defiance to the Magisterium of the Church.


5 posted on 06/29/2014 3:24:59 PM PDT by Dqban22
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To: humblegunner

Considering he is a one lung wonder ..

Strange he made it this far..

Or is it?


6 posted on 06/29/2014 3:26:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: ebb tide
Poverty is at the center of the Gospel," he said

This is a major error in the catholic church.

Salvation in Jesus Christ is the center of the gospel. Whether rich or poor, all classes need to be told the way to eternal life.

The social justice/liberation theologians have fooled many into thinking that poverty issues (money) are the Bible's main message.

7 posted on 06/29/2014 3:26:31 PM PDT by what's up
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To: ebb tide

The pope is saying charity, Christian charity, was adopted by Marxists turned athiest and corrupted. Charity is still Christian even if marxists pervert it.


8 posted on 06/29/2014 3:26:31 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: ebb tide

Huh? Communism has killed over 100 million people. Christian?


9 posted on 06/29/2014 3:27:35 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: ebb tide
Charity is a big part of salvation, or at least Christ says so. I realize some will disagree and they can take it up with Christ when he returns.

Matthew 25

The Final Judgment

31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,f you did it to me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


10 posted on 06/29/2014 3:30:09 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: ebb tide

This guy’s nuts


11 posted on 06/29/2014 3:30:20 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wonkowasright

Thank you! People really need to lighten up at the Pope’s comments. If you put them in context, nothing has really changed in the teachings of the Church.


12 posted on 06/29/2014 3:30:28 PM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: ebb tide

What is this, Pope Rope-a-Dope?

Communists are godless atheists, or Democrats, but I repeat myself.


13 posted on 06/29/2014 3:31:37 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: ebb tide

The pope is obviously a fool.

Communists are ATHEIST by definition.

Idiot.


14 posted on 06/29/2014 3:34:16 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

The Pope needs to take a vacation or something. A sabbatical or whatever.


15 posted on 06/29/2014 3:35:16 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: what's up

bump


16 posted on 06/29/2014 3:35:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: ebb tide

He is no threat to the authentic teaching of the Catholic Church. No Pope can be.

But he’s just plain stupid.


17 posted on 06/29/2014 3:36:01 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: what's up

Well, this here Catholic never heard that “poverty is at the center of the Gospel.” But of course, I’m your basic pre Vatican 2 type.

Would the Pope care to comment on the slaughter and destruction of Christianity in Mosul?


18 posted on 06/29/2014 3:36:23 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: wonkowasright
Charity flows from salvation as a new nature. You don't work your way to salvation. To do so cheapens what Christ did, and does violence to the Gospel.

And Russians have never been known for grace and charity.

19 posted on 06/29/2014 3:38:16 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: wonkowasright

I’m confused if this Pope is either terminally incomprehensible or if he’s being translated badly! Since Day 1 his quotes make no sense in English.


20 posted on 06/29/2014 3:40:01 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: humblegunner
Shouldn’t everyone rejoice that there is a retarded Pope?

Did you read the article?

"I can only say that the communists have stolen our flag. The flag of the poor is Christian. Poverty is at the center of the Gospel," he said, citing Biblical passages about the need to help the poor, the sick and the needy.

"Communists say that all this is communism. Sure, twenty centuries later. So when they speak, one can say to them: 'but then you are Christian'," he said, laughing.

FYI, the media is hostile to Christianity. So take their headlines with a grain of salt.
21 posted on 06/29/2014 3:42:38 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: humblegunner

Personally I’m glad he clarified this for me.

They had me fooled with those 60 Milliion dead bodies.

(That must be one really deep dark closet, I’ll tell you what!)


22 posted on 06/29/2014 3:43:08 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: humblegunner
It's a voluntary request in the Bible ... "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

But not so voluntary in communism or in Obamacare.
23 posted on 06/29/2014 3:43:54 PM PDT by Citizen Zed ("Freedom costs a buck o five" - Gary Johnston, TAWP)
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To: ebb tide

No, they are not.


24 posted on 06/29/2014 3:44:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Westbrook
The Pope has a jar of colored marbles which correlate to a bumper sticker slogan.
And sometimes if he chooses the right marble he gets a sugary treat.
25 posted on 06/29/2014 3:45:16 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I’m sorry, Tom, but if these are accurate quotes, he is terminally incomprehensible. Up to now, we’ve had brilliant, articulate men at the head of the Church. What flag is he talking about? Communists say that all this is communism? Norm Crosby makes more sense! He needs a spokesman.


26 posted on 06/29/2014 3:45:46 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Can you imagine if the press was allowed to first translate tea party quotes into a foreign language before slandering them ?


27 posted on 06/29/2014 3:47:17 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: ebb tide
communist execution photo: Execution execution.jpg

"Communists say that all this is communism. Sure, twenty centuries later. So when they speak, one can say to them: 'but then you are Christian'," he said, laughing.

28 posted on 06/29/2014 3:48:28 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: wonkowasright

Well, the press can’t translate English into English when it comes to the Tea Party. But I’m confused tonight. I’m a little upset about Mosul so I wish he wasn’t going on about Communism being about Communism...or something like that.


29 posted on 06/29/2014 3:49:27 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Not a legitimate pope. Anti-popes can do a lot of damage.


30 posted on 06/29/2014 3:51:52 PM PDT by piusv
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To: wonkowasright

Marxism is anti-charity. Marxism is hatred,, violence, force, theft, mass murder, slavery, envy, jealousy. covetousness, ingratitude. I’m sure I left out some other nastiness.


31 posted on 06/29/2014 3:51:57 PM PDT by all the best
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Thank you, friend.


32 posted on 06/29/2014 3:53:37 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: all the best

All you say is true. And yet it always rides into town under the guise of helping the poor and the oppressed by using government to perform by force what they the giving to the poor.


33 posted on 06/29/2014 3:54:19 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: ebb tide

This thread is gaining traction WAY FAST...wow.


34 posted on 06/29/2014 3:56:23 PM PDT by piusv
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To: humblegunner

>> “Shouldn’t everyone rejoice that there is a retarded Pope?” <<

Yep!

Retarded president, retarded pope, retarded TV meteorologists, retarded Ductors, yes diversity has finally come on a grand scale.


35 posted on 06/29/2014 4:00:14 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: what's up
Salvation in Jesus Christ is the center of the gospel.

This is what all normal Catholics believe. They also believe voluntary charity is desirable and expected as well.

(Poverty is at the center of the Gospel) This is a major error in the catholic church.

Catholic doctrine does not include this error.

36 posted on 06/29/2014 4:00:38 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: humblegunner

This pope is what happens when you set the wayback machine 50 years and start ‘moderating’ and accepting the liberals that openly vow to infiltrate your church.

you get a gull blown communist pope.


37 posted on 06/29/2014 4:01:02 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: ebb tide

If they are Christians, they need to repent and repudiate communism because that ideology is founded on the violation of three of the Ten Commandments: lies, coveting and theft.


38 posted on 06/29/2014 4:01:47 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Dqban22

Yeshua’s church has no Magisterium, so no big deal, the effect is localized.
.


39 posted on 06/29/2014 4:02:23 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: piusv

I didn’t say he couldn’t do DAMAGE. I said he’s not a threat to authentic Catholic teaching. Of course, he can be responsible for a lot of people’s never hearing authentic Catholic teaching, or getting a totally false impression of Catholic teaching.

I don’t think he’s technically an anti-Pope. He’s just a product of a corrupt College of Cardinals that has a lot of stupid, wicked men in it: e.g., Wuerl, Dolan, O’Malley. I’m sure there are plenty of non-Americans as stupid and wicked as those.

A motor-mouthed extrovert, with a head stuffed with conventional center-left “thoughts.”


40 posted on 06/29/2014 4:02:45 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: editor-surveyor

Sort of like Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher in reverse! And only 30 years on.


41 posted on 06/29/2014 4:04:18 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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>> “The pope is saying charity, Christian charity, was adopted by Marxists turned athiest and corrupted. Charity is still Christian even if marxists pervert it.” <<

.
Marxists have no charity, but that that flows out of the barrel of a gun.
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42 posted on 06/29/2014 4:05:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Arthur McGowan

You don’t like the glad-handing, fake bonhomie Dolan? The guy I saw off-camera snapping his fingers at a Today Show flunky to bring him a coffee or a donut?

When I think of Cardinal O’Connor, I just get heartsick.


43 posted on 06/29/2014 4:07:10 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: wonkowasright

It is never about love for the poor for them. How can I be so sure? People of love do not have so much blood on their hands. These people are motivated by hated, jealousy, etc. These are unhappy people. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are full of hate for the rich and successful. They are so unhappy that they want to tear down and tear apart those that tey se as being happy, successful, well off.


44 posted on 06/29/2014 4:07:18 PM PDT by all the best
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Everyone needs to read this.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3173927/posts?page=21#21


45 posted on 06/29/2014 4:09:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: miss marmelstein

Remember the Pope’s South America heritage vs. the European heritage that most Popes have come from.


46 posted on 06/29/2014 4:10:29 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Snickering Hound

Visit the Killing Wall at Auschwitz. You won’t be laughing,


47 posted on 06/29/2014 4:11:39 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Arthur McGowan

>> “But he’s just plain stupid.” <<

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There’s Plain Stupid, Tactical Stupid, Strategic Stupid, and Thermonuclear Stupid.

Surely a pope would have a higher grade of stupid than “just plain stupid.”
.


48 posted on 06/29/2014 4:13:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Salvation

I do think about it. It’s what makes me nervous...


49 posted on 06/29/2014 4:16:43 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
Norm Crosby makes more sense!

I was thinking Foster Brooks.

50 posted on 06/29/2014 4:17:41 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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