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Anglicans Set to Remove Satan from Baptismal Rite
Crisis Magazine ^ | June 30, 2014 | ANNE HENDERSHOTT

Posted on 06/30/2014 9:01:20 AM PDT by NYer

Queen Elizabeth baptism

Declaring that the devil has departed from the Church of England’s baptism service, the Guardian reported on June 20 that “a simplified baptism which omits mention of the devil” is now favored by the clergy who have test-marketed it throughout the United Kingdom. Claiming that the traditional rejection of the devil and all rebellion against God “put off people who are offended to be addressed as sinners,” clergy claimed that they found it much easier to ask parents and godparents to make vows that do not mention Satan.

Responding to a population “which sees no pressing reason to spend Sunday mornings or any other time in Church,” the Guardian reports, the new and improved baptism service also deletes the instruction to the godparents that the child will keep God’s commandments, and learn what a Christian “ought to know and believe to his soul’s health”—promising only that the church “shall do all that we can to ensure that there is a welcoming place for you. We will play our part in helping you guide these children along the way of faith.”

The proposal to delete the devil from the ritual received initial approval by the House of Bishops and will be debated by the Anglican General Synod in York this July. If approved, these changes may reveal that the Church of England is losing its sense of sin—and its need for salvation. More than 60 years ago, T.S. Eliot wrote about the sense of alienation that occurred when social regulators—like the church—began to splinter and the controlling moral authority of a society is no longer effective. He suggested that a “sense of sin” was beginning to disappear. In his play “The Cocktail Party,” a troubled young woman confides in her psychiatrist that she feels “sinful” because of her relationship with a married man. She is distressed not so much by the illicit relationship, but rather, by the strange sense of sin. Eliot writes that “having a sense of sin seems abnormal, she believed that she had become ill.”

Writing in 1950, Eliot knew that the language of sin was declining even then. Yet most of us would assume that the concept of sin was still strong because the churches—like the Church of England—seemed so strong. Looking back, though, it seems that the sense of sin was already beginning to be replaced by an emerging therapeutic culture. Within a growing culture of liberation, people no longer viewed themselves as sinful when they drank too much, took drugs, or engaged in violent or abusive behaviors. Rather, such actions were increasingly viewed as indicators that such individuals were victims of an illness they had little control over.

Sociologist Philip Rieff warned in his now-classic book of the 1960s, The Triumph of the Therapeutic, that “psychological man was beginning to replace Christian man” as the dominant character type in our society. Unlike traditional Christianity, which made moral demands on believers, the secular world of “psychological man” rejects both the idea of sin and the need for salvation.” The transformation is now complete in the Church of England.

Satan has been called an “evil genius” because he has been able to convince so many that he does not exist. In his satirical Screwtape Letters, C.S. Lewis creates a senior demon named Screwtape who is instructing Wormwood, his young protege, on how best to capture a soul for hell. He tells him that the most effective thing he can do to bring souls to hell is to convince people that Satan does not even exist. “The fact that devils are predominantly comic figures in the modern imagination will help you. If any faint suspicion of your existence begins to arise in his mind, suggest to him a picture of something in red tights, and persuade him that since he cannot believe in that, he therefore cannot believe in you.”

Unlike the Church of England, which is helping people move away from thoughts of the devil, Pope Francis has spoken often of Satan as the “prince of this world,” and the “father of lies.” He cautioned in his book On Heaven and Earth that, “Satan’s fruits are destruction, division, hatred and calumny.” In response, the faithful are beginning to flock to a shepherd that reminds them that it is the “work of the devil” to ignore the plight of the poor and to reject the humanity of all persons—including the weakest and least powerful.

One wonders why the Church of England will even bother to perform baptismal ceremonies at all when the real purpose of such a service has been lost. Rituals are important, though, as author, P.D. James writes in her chilling novel Children of Man. Set in a dystopian world in the year 2021 in which the entire human race has become infertile, the author describes a society in which the last child had been born two decades earlier, and where the “new trend” in cities such as London is to hold elaborate christening ceremonies for kittens—replete with flowing white christening dresses and lace bonnets for the feline newborns. In such a society, the clergy is pleased to preside over the ritual because it gives so much joy to the childless “parents” of the kittens.

The Church of England’s revised baptismal ritual will be voted upon next month in Kent at their General Synod. It will likely pass because it has been driven by a powerful division within the clergy, which is determined to demonstrate that the Church of England is a progressive church that no longer needs to recognize the need to renounce Satan in order to live in the freedom of the children of God.



TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: anglican; baptism; satan
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Editor’s note: This column first appeared June 25, 2014 in the Washington Times and is reprinted with permission of the author. Pictured above is Queen Elizabeth II held by her mother on the day of her christening in 1926. (Photo credit: Pa)

1 posted on 06/30/2014 9:01:20 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
Archbishop Fulton Sheen provided us with a keen insight into Satan. "Do not mock the Gospels and say there is no Satan. Evil is too real in the world to say that. Do not say the idea of Satan is dead and gone. Satan never gains so many cohorts as when, in his shrewdness, he spreads the rumor that he is long since dead. Do not reject the Gospel because it says the Savior was tempted. Satan always tempts the pure—the others are already his. Satan stations more devils on monastery walls than in dens of iniquity, for the latter offer no resistance. Do not say it is absurd that Satan should appear to our Lord, for Satan must always come close to the godly and the strong—the others succumb from a distance."

IS THERE REALLY A DEVIL? - Father William P. Saunders

2 posted on 06/30/2014 9:02:32 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

A climatic seen in the Godfather is the Godfather being asked at the baptism if he renounces Satan while his gang is wiping out his rivals,


3 posted on 06/30/2014 9:03:49 AM PDT by AU72
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To: NYer

Denying or ignoring the existence of Satan is another way of avoiding that dreaded need to repent!


4 posted on 06/30/2014 9:04:59 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: NYer

And he laughed, and laughed, and laughed


5 posted on 06/30/2014 9:05:06 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: NYer

OK then I think we are going to see a few more Anglicans crossing the Tiber to Rome


6 posted on 06/30/2014 9:06:12 AM PDT by brooklyn dave
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To: NYer
the traditional rejection of the devil and all rebellion against God “put off people who are offended to be addressed as sinners,”

People who are offended to be addressed as sinners won't give a child a proper Christian upbringing - so by all means put them off.

7 posted on 06/30/2014 9:06:44 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: NYer

What is the point of the Anglican Church any more? Is it just a social club and a business that changes its ‘brand’ to ensure the widest possible demographic by trying to offend as few people as possible?


8 posted on 06/30/2014 9:07:41 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: NYer

The new baptism rite is “Something, something, feel good, something, party down.”


9 posted on 06/30/2014 9:09:16 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: NYer

>> the secular world of “psychological man” rejects both the idea of sin and the need for salvation

I don’t believe that decision belongs to man — secular or otherwise.


10 posted on 06/30/2014 9:09:32 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: AU72
A climatic seen in the Godfather is the Godfather being asked at the baptism if he renounces Satan while his gang is wiping out his rivals.

Every time I see that scene, I say, "Hold the baby's head up". They just let her head hang back.

11 posted on 06/30/2014 9:12:05 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: NYer

Satan is smiling over this.


12 posted on 06/30/2014 9:17:48 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
What is the point of the Anglican Church any more in the first place?
13 posted on 06/30/2014 9:18:14 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: NYer

Of course Satan exists. Evil exists.


14 posted on 06/30/2014 9:19:11 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.


15 posted on 06/30/2014 9:20:40 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: NYer

Satire right?

FWIW, Jesus’s baptism occurred directly before his temptation by Satan which Jesus himself renounced Satan.

Mathew 4:

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

Its no wonder the liberal Christians remove Satan from scripture right after they removed sin.


16 posted on 06/30/2014 9:24:33 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: NYer

The Catholic Church should seriously consider whether these baptisms are valid going forward. The intent must be the intent of the Church and removal of the Devil certainly doesn’t seem to be the same intent.


17 posted on 06/30/2014 9:27:33 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Veggie Todd
The baby's head is held this way to keep the Holy water and oils moving in the proper direction (away from the eyes), I believe.


18 posted on 06/30/2014 9:29:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
The truth Is that the Anglican Church sprang from the bollocks of Henry VIII. It was a Church born out of the desire of Henry to marry and divorce as many women as he needed to in order to sire a male heir. He went so far as to behead some of his wives in order to remarry. Murder for procreation so to say.

When a ‘Church’ calls itself Christian but allows and supports all form of heretical teachings from priestesses, to artificial contraception, to abortion and homosexual ‘marriage’ it is not only NOT Christian, it is not even a religion. It is a nice place for elderly Liberals to enjoy camaraderie on Sunday mornings.

19 posted on 06/30/2014 9:32:10 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: NYer

20 posted on 06/30/2014 9:34:10 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: NYer; All
Satan is delighted, no doubt. Works for his plan. Evil is evil.

Many are deceived by the feel good religions of today.
Teaching what God says ... is what is to be, is the path to walk.

The churches are looking to attract members and our society, government, television programing and most all public dialogues are minimizing God and the importance of the HOLY SCRIPTURES.

Are we becoming 100% secular

God forgive America for our turning aside.

21 posted on 06/30/2014 9:34:10 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: trisham
The baby's head is held this way to keep the Holy water and oils moving in the proper direction (away from the eyes), I believe.

That makes sense, but it just looks uncomfortable for the baby.

22 posted on 06/30/2014 9:44:02 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Veggie Todd

That’s Sofia Coppola, btw.


23 posted on 06/30/2014 9:47:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Yes, I know. And Francis Ford Coppola’s father is the piano player in the scene when they “go to the mattresses.”


24 posted on 06/30/2014 9:50:12 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Veggie Todd

:)


25 posted on 06/30/2014 9:54:38 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I love that movie. I could talk about it all day.


26 posted on 06/30/2014 9:55:48 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Veggie Todd

I love 1 & 2. They’re modern morality plays, imho.


27 posted on 06/30/2014 9:59:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Raycpa
Satire right?

Sadly, no. According to the article, they test-marketed this. Faith through polling.

28 posted on 06/30/2014 10:01:25 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

The Anglican Church sailed on their voyage to Godlessness long ago. In 1906, they changed a verse of the well known hymn, He Who Would Valiant Be to expunge foul language. The offending verse:

Hobgoblin nor foul fiend
Can daunt his spirit,
He knows he at the end
Shall life inherit.
Then fancies fly away,
He’ll fear not what men say,
He’ll labor night and day
To be a pilgrim.


29 posted on 06/30/2014 10:02:30 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: NYer

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


30 posted on 06/30/2014 10:02:35 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: NYer
Claiming that the traditional rejection of the devil and all rebellion against God “put off people who are offended to be addressed as sinners,” clergy claimed that they found it much easier to ask parents and godparents to make vows that do not mention Satan.

Awww, did they get their widdle feewings hurt?

What are they going to do when they stand before God and HE tells them they're sinners and where they end up?

Whine at Him?

People are getting not offended right into hell.

31 posted on 06/30/2014 10:07:34 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

As John Cleese said in that famous Schewpp’s add,”Try Schwepps,If it doesn’t inconvienience you.”


32 posted on 06/30/2014 10:10:38 AM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: trisham
Godfather 3 is simply ad adaptation of Shakespeare's "King Lear."

I believe that had the third movie NOT been a sequel (e.g. just a story about an aging Mafioso facing his own immorality and the politics of his empire), that it would be regarded as a very good Mafia movie. Unfortunately, it was a sequel to two masterpieces and it simply doesn't stand up. The fact that it was released at the same time as "Goodfellas" diminishes it even more.

I think the thing that really made the first two movies was Robert Duvall's portrayal of Tom Hagen. On the surface he was very calm and nonviolent, but in reality he was possibly the coldest and most ruthless of all.

33 posted on 06/30/2014 10:10:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer
clergy who have test-marketed it

There's your problem.


34 posted on 06/30/2014 10:13:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AU72

Demonstrating the notable cynical and insane dualism of Cosa Nostra, extended through their influence on the Vatican Bank and historically many other I-banks... vs. the statist world bankers of a different stripe and enforcement division (tongue in cheek, LOL).

Sheen was correct— Satan is quite real. The oft reviled rural true believers have known this all along. The Louvin Brothers, “Satan is Real” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcRG_HkkoPA

The Archbishop of Canterbury is a church that asks nothing of believers, and hence constantly losing members to islam, neo-paganism (they tried an outreach to this looney anglo group). No wonder the empire is reduced to pomp and circumstance and also slim wonder that the US copying these idiots will fail also.


35 posted on 06/30/2014 10:24:51 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: NYer

Holy Baptism

  


A hymn, psalm, or anthem may be sung.

The people standing, the Celebrant says

                 Blessed be God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
People   
       And blessed be his kingdom, now and for ever. Amen.In place of the above, from Easter Day through the Day of Pentecost

Celebrant      Alleluia. Christ is risen.
People              
The Lord is risen indeed. Alleluia.In Lent and on other penitential occasions

Celebrant      Bless the Lord who forgives all our sins;
People
          His mercy endures forever.

The Celebrant then continues

                  There is one Body and one Spirit;
People
          There is one hope in God's call to us;
Celebrant      One Lord, one Faith, one Baptism;
People          One God and Father of all.

Celebrant      The Lord be with you.
People
          And also with you.
Celebrant      Let us pray.

 

Holy Baptism     299


 

The Collect of the Day

People          Amen.At the principal service on a Sunday or other feast, the Collect and
Lessons are properly those of the Day. On other occasions, they are
selected from "At Baptism." (See Additional Directions, page 312.)


The Lessons
The people sit. One or two Lessons, as appointed, are read,
the Reader first saying

A Reading (Lesson) from______________.A citation giving chapter and verse may be added.

After each Reading, the Reader may say

                The Word of the Lord.
People         Thanks be to God.

Or the Reader may say Here ends the Reading (Epistle).

Silence may follow.

A Psalm, hymn, or anthem may follow each Reading.

Then, all standing, the Deacon or a Priest reads the Gospel, first saying

                The Holy Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ 
                according to_____________.

People         Glory to you, Lord Christ.

After the Gospel, the Reader says

                The Gospel of the Lord.
People         Praise to you, Lord Christ.

 

300    Holy Baptism


 

The Sermon

Or the Sermon may be preached after the Peace.

 

Presentation and Examination
of the Candidates


The Celebrant says

The Candidate(s) for Holy Baptism will now be presented.


Adults and Older Children
The candidates who are able to answer for themselves are presented 
individually by their Sponsors, as follows

Sponsor        I present N. to receive the Sacrament of Baptism.

The Celebrant asks each candidate when presented

                 Do you desire to be baptized?

Candidate    I do.

Infants and Younger ChildrenThen the candidates who are unable to answer for themselves are presented 
individually by their Parents and Godparents, as follows

Parents and Godparents

I present N. to receive the Sacrament of Baptism.

 

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When all have been presented the Celebrant asks the parents and
godparents

Will you be responsible for seeing that the child you present
is brought up in the Christian faith and life?

Parents and Godparents

I will, with God's help.

Celebrant

Will you by your prayers and witness help this child to grow
into the full stature of Christ?

Parents and Godparents

I will, with God's help.Then the Celebrant asks the following questions of the candidates who
can speak for themselves, and of the parents and godparents who speak
on behalf of the infants and younger children

Question     Do you renounce Satan and all the spiritual forces
                of wickedness that rebel against God?

Answer        I renounce them.

Question     Do you renounce the evil powers of this world
                which corrupt and destroy the creatures of God?

Answer        I renounce them.

Question     Do you renounce all sinful desires that draw you
                from the love of God?

Answer        I renounce them.

Question     Do you turn to Jesus Christ and accept him as your 
                Savior?

Answer        I do.

Question     Do you put your whole trust in his grace and love?
Answer        I do.

 

302    Holy Baptism


 

Question     Do you promise to follow and obey him as your 
                Lord?
Answer       I do.

 

When there are others to be presented, the Bishop says

The other Candidate(s) will now be presented.

Presenters
    
I present these persons for Confirmation

or
              
  I present these persons to be received into this 
               Communion.


or
             I present these persons who desire to reaffirm
              their baptismal vows.

The Bishop asks the candidates

Do you reaffirm your renunciation of evil?


Candidate
 I do.

Bishop

Do you renew your commitment to Jesus Christ?


Candidate

I do, and with God's grace I will follow him as my Savior
and Lord.

After all have been presented, the Celebrant addresses the congregation, 
saying

Will you who witness these vows do all in your
power to support these persons in their life in Christ?

People      We will.

The Celebrant then says these or similar words

Let us join with those who are committing themselves to Christ
and renew our own baptismal covenant.

 

Holy Baptism     303


 

The Baptismal Covenant

 

Celebrant      Do you believe in God the Father?
People          I believe in God, the Father almighty,
                 creator of heaven and earth.

Celebrant      Do you believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God?
People          I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
                    He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
                        and born of the Virgin Mary.
                    He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
                        was crucified, died, and was buried.
                    He descended to the dead.
                    On the third day he rose again.
                    He ascended into heaven,
                        and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
                    He will come again to judge the living and the dead.


Celebrant
     Do you believe in God the Holy Spirit?
People          I believe in the Holy Spirit,
                    the holy catholic Church,
                    the communion of saints,
                    the forgiveness of sins,
                    the resurrection of the body,
                    and the life everlasting.

Celebrant      Will you continue in the apostles’ teaching and 
                 fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in the 
                 prayers?

People          I will, with God’s help.

Celebrant      Will you persevere in resisting evil, and, whenever 
                 you fall into sin, repent and return to the Lord?

People          I will, with God’s help.

 

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Celebrant     Will you proclaim by word and example the Good
                 News of God in Christ?

People          I will, with God’s help.

Celebrant      Will you seek and serve Christ in all persons, loving
                 your neighbor as yourself?

People          I will, with God’s help.

Celebrant      Will you strive for justice and peace among all 
                 people, and respect the dignity of every human 
                 being?

People          I will, with God’s help.

 

Prayers for the Candidates

The Celebrant then says to the congregation

Let us now pray for these persons who are to receive the 
Sacrament of new birth [and for those (this person) who 
have renewed their commitment to Christ.]
A Person appointed leads tho following petitions

Leader      Deliver them, O Lord, from the way of sin and 
             death.

People      Lord, hear our prayer.

Leader      Open their hearts to your grace and truth.
People      Lord, hear our prayer.

Leader      Fill them with your holy and life-giving Spirit.
People      Lord, hear our prayer.

Leader      Keep them in the faith and communion of your holy 
             Church.
People     Lord, hear our prayer.

Leader      Teach them to love others in the power of the Spirit.
People      Lord, hear our prayer.

 

Holy Baptism     305


 

Leader      Send them into the world in witness to your love.
People       Lord, hear our prayer.

Leader      Bring them to the fullness of your peace and glory.
People       Lord, hear our prayer.

The Celebrant says

Grant, O Lord, that all who are baptized into the death
of Jesus Christ your Son may live in the power of his
resurrection and look for him to come again in glory; who
lives and reigns now and forever. Amen.

 

Thanksgiving over the Water

The Celebrant blesses the water, first saying

                 The Lord be with you.
People         And also with you.

Celebrant    Let us give thanks to the Lord our God.
People        It is right to give him thanks and praise.

Celebrant

We thank you, Almighty God, for the gift of water.
Over it the Holy Spirit moved in the beginning of creation.
Through it you led the children of Israel out of their bondage
in Egypt into the land of promise. In it your Son Jesus
received the baptism of John and was anointed by the Holy
Spirit as the Messiah, the Christ, to lead us, through his death
and resurrection, from the bondage of sin into everlasting life.

We thank you, Father, for the water of Baptism. In it we are
buried with Christ in his death. By it we share in his
resurrection. Through it we are reborn by the Holy Spirit.
Therefore in joyful obedience to your Son, we bring into his

 

306    Holy Baptism


 

fellowship those who come to him in faith, baptizing them in
the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.


At the following words, the Celebrant touches the water

Now sanctify this water, we pray you, by the power of your
Holy Spirit, that those who here are cleansed from sin and
born again may continue for ever in the risen life of Jesus
Christ our Savior.

To him, to you, and to the Holy Spirit, be all honor and
glory, now and for ever. Amen.

 

Consecration of the Chrism

The Bishop may then consecrate oil of Chrism, placing a hand on the 
vessel of oil, and saying


Eternal Father, whose blessed Son was anointed by the
Holy Spirit to be the Savior and servant of all, we pray you to 
consecrate this oil, that those who are sealed with it may
share in the royal priesthood of Jesus Christ; who lives and
reigns with you and the Holy Spirit, for ever and ever. Amen.

 

 

The Baptism

 Each candidate is presented by name to the Celebrant, or to an assisting 
priest or deacon, who then immerses, or pours water upon, the
candidate, saying

N., I baptize you in the Name of the Father, and of the Son,
and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

 

Holy Baptism     307


 

When this action has been completed for all candidates, the Bishop or
Priest, at a place in full sight of the congregation, prays over them, saying

Let us pray.

Heavenly Father, we thank you that by water and the Holy
Spirit you have bestowed upon these your servants the
forgiveness of sin, and have raised them to the new life of
grace. Sustain them, O Lord, in your Holy Spirit. Give them
an inquiring and discerning heart, the courage to will and to
persevere, a spirit to know and to love you, and the gift of joy
and wonder in all your works. Amen.
Then the Bishop or Priest places a hand on the person's head, marking
on the forehead the sign of the cross [using Chrism if desired] and saying to 
each one

N., you are sealed by the Holy Spirit in Baptism and marked
as Christ's own for ever. Amen.
Or this action may be done immediately after the administration of the
water and before the preceding prayer.

When all have been baptized, the Celebrant says

Let us welcome the newly baptized.

Celebrant and People

We receive you into the household of God. Confess the faith
of Christ crucified, proclaim his resurrection, and share with
us in his eternal priesthood.
If Confirmation, Reception, or the Reaffirmation of Baptismal Vows is 
not to follow, the Peace is now exchanged

Celebrant      The peace of the Lord be always with you.
People          And also with you.

 

308    Holy Baptism


36 posted on 06/30/2014 10:25:15 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: Veggie Todd
Every time I see that scene, I say, "Hold the baby's head up". They just let her head hang back.

That baby is Sofia Coppola, the producer's daughter who played Micheal's daughter in GF III.

37 posted on 06/30/2014 10:26:51 AM PDT by AU72
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To: piusv; NYer

“The Catholic Church should seriously consider whether these baptisms are valid going forward. The intent must be the intent of the Church and removal of the Devil certainly doesn’t seem to be the same intent.”

I agree with you here, this does present a serious theological question regarding the sacrament of baptism, the one sacrament that Rome recognized as valid among all “Protestant Christian confessions” that held correct Trinitarian Doctrine. There were some American Protestants a few years ago what were planning to use Modalist-Functional language in Baptisms, i.e. Creator, Redeemer, Sanctifier, etc. and even the US Bishops showed some backbone and stated such Baptisms would be seen by the Catholic Church has “invalid”


38 posted on 06/30/2014 10:28:20 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: NYer
“a simplified baptism which omits mention of the devil” is now favored by the clergy who have test-marketed it throughout the United Kingdom. Claiming that the traditional rejection of the devil and all rebellion against God “put off people who are offended to be addressed as sinners,” clergy claimed that they found it much easier to ask parents and godparents to make vows that do not mention Satan.

It's good to test market important sacramental practices. Wouldn't want anyone being uncomfortable. I hope the focus groups had a proper contingent of minorities! Not to mention representatives from the GLBT community.

Honestly, I had to triple check this wasn't from the Onion. I never thought it would be even possible to see so plainly, the destruction of a society and/or religion.

I wonder when the water will be removed, as it might make the baby uncomfortable! (Actually I'm surprised that wasn't done first). That will truly be a sad day should it occur. Then Anglican baptisms will no longer be valid.

39 posted on 06/30/2014 10:29:48 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: John S Mosby
The Archbishop of Canterbury is a church that asks nothing of believers,

And when King Charles the Obtuse becomes head of the Church of England he will be the last one.

40 posted on 06/30/2014 10:30:57 AM PDT by AU72
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To: wagglebee
I think the thing that really made the first two movies was Robert Duvall's portrayal of Tom Hagen. On the surface he was very calm and nonviolent, but in reality he was possibly the coldest and most ruthless of all.

************************

Yes. As perhaps the best example, he had a hand in Kay's abortion, and possibly some influence. It's also made quite clear that he was adopted, and seemed always to be trying to prove himself to Vito and Michael. Until the abortion, that is, and then his motives seem much more complicated.

41 posted on 06/30/2014 10:34:16 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
I always thought that the abortion was Kay's idea and that he just helped facilitate it.

He for certain orchestrated the murder of the prostitute that they used to blackmail the senator.

42 posted on 06/30/2014 10:38:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim from C-Town
The truth Is that the Anglican Church sprang from the bollocks of Henry VIII. It was a Church born out of the desire of Henry to marry and divorce as many women as he needed

Too simplistic. The reformation had begun 16 years before Henry VIII was excommunicated.

43 posted on 06/30/2014 10:40:56 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: AU72

LOL “the Obtuse”-— truly what a moron Battenburg (excuse me
Mountbatten-Windsor... NOT!). Killing true faith through weak minds and removal of scripture. Deo Vindice.


44 posted on 06/30/2014 10:41:55 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: NYer

“is now favored by the clergy who have test-marketed it throughout the United Kingdom”

Test-marketed? Really? So, baptism in the C of E isn’t a sacrament, its a campaign slogan? Do they periodically “test market” their Creed?

Maybe they “poll” to see what should be a sin or one of the ten commandments this year?


45 posted on 06/30/2014 10:44:01 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Raycpa
Usually the simplest explanation is the most truthful.
46 posted on 06/30/2014 10:46:13 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: wagglebee

I think that it was her idea, but I don’t recall that he did anything to stop it. He also didn’t tell Michael, to whom he should have been loyal. In the scene where Kay tells Michael (out of cruelty and vindictiveness, imho), he is faced with the murder of his child by his wife and friend (Tom), the fact that another man (Tom) was involved with his wife in that crime, and the hatred his wife feels for him, hatred that has been growing for years.

Yes, the murder of the prostitute is another example. In some respects, Tom sometimes seems almost sociopathic, except in his relationships with the family, and that broke down when he chose Kay over Michael.


47 posted on 06/30/2014 10:47:21 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham
Great analysis.
48 posted on 06/30/2014 10:51:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Thank you! One of the reasons I watch both movies almost every year is because I find something new, or see something in a different way almost every time. In many ways, Kay is the character that I despise the most.


49 posted on 06/30/2014 10:56:48 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Political decisions are never simplistic. They always have many layers of issues and often create strange alliances. Henry VIII would need alliances if he were to go against the Pope. The national and international alliances were ready made by Luther’s influence throughout the world and within England. In addition, by nationalizing the Church he could tap into the RC Church’s wealth and influence.

Upon Henry VIII’s death the Church came back under the Pope because of his sister Mary who succeeded to the throne.

Finally, it was Queen Elizabeth I who made England a protestant nation after Queen Mary.

So, the simple version of the truth is it was Queen Elizabeth not Henry VIII who separated the Anglican Church from Rome.


50 posted on 06/30/2014 11:01:31 AM PDT by Raycpa
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