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OK, We Won. But the Hobby Lobby Vote should have been 9 – 0. Wake up, America. Your liberty…
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 6/30/2014 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 07/01/2014 2:31:50 AM PDT by markomalley

Okay, so we won today in the Supreme Court. The Hobby Lobby case went our way; score one for religious liberty.

But here’s a concern: why didn’t the Justices vote 9–0? To be even more clear, if religious liberty, a right given us by God and legally enshrined in the First Amendment, prevailed by only one vote where are we as a country? And how long will that one vote prevail? So, we can celebrate a narrow victory, but why was it narrow?

How have we reached the point in this country that those who hold a sincere religious belief contrary to the contraceptive mindset of the world, and who also sincerely oppose the killing of children through abortion, only narrowly escaped being required to both provide for and even pay for these sorts of things?

Where are all the liberals who march under the banners of tolerance? Where are the First Amendment zealots willing to stand with us? They are nowhere to be found, I suspect because it touches on abortion and contraception, which have become like sacraments for them.

I would like to think that, though I love the Scriptures and want everyone to have them, I would oppose in principle a law requiring every business to provide free bibles to all their employees or customers. I’d like to think that, if a Muslim business owner (or a pagan one for that matter) objected to being required to do this, I would stand with him in principle and oppose this requirement. Thus even if a non-Catholic doesn’t understand or agree with my principled opposition to contraception and abortifacients, is it really so much to ask that most justices (not just 5 out of 9) and most Americans agree that I ought not be required to provide and pay for these things?

Go with me to the Jewish delicatessen example of Bishop Lori some years ago as I adapt it just a bit. What if the current Administration or the Federal Government were to say to all Jewish deli owners, “It is just an outrage and downright un-American that you don’t sell pork sausage and hot dogs. Every American deli MUST provide these by law. And you must comply or face big fines.” Even though most Americans don’t understand or share the Jewish aversion to pork, I would think they would still be outraged by such an action.

Now suppose further that after the outrage the government proposed a compromise: “OK, you don’t have to provide the pork, but you must let us set up a kiosk inside your deli where we will offer it free of charge to your customers and employees, because, by gosh, whether you like it or not, you are going to offer pork in your Jewish deli!” Again, the outrageousness of such a stance would provoke great protests from most Americans regardless of how comfortable they are with eating pork themselves.

It is simply outrageous that four Supreme Court Justices, and many Americans, cannot see the clear and offensive proposition of the Government in this regard. And even if they don’t share our opposition, they ought to stand with us in principle.

But they do not. And this once again underscores the serious condition of our Nation and our Constitution. It is another example of the growing tyranny of relativism wherein reasoned recourse to agreed-upon principles is no longer possible. Thus, they win who are the most powerful, or have the most money, or have the most access. Granted, we won today, but barely, and by one vote; it could easily have gone differently.

Everyone, no matter his political or moral stance, should be very concerned about the growing intrusiveness and raw power of a government that thinks it can force people to act against their faith and to cooperate in what they think is evil. Catholic opposition to abortion and contraception is nothing new. It goes all the way back to Scripture, which condemned thus use of “pharmakeia” (e.g., Gal 5:20, Rev 9:21, and 18:23). The Didache and countless documents of the Fathers and the Magisterium have always upheld these views. We have not changed, the culture has. To compel us to provide and even pay for what we consider evil is wrong and un-American. It is shocking that so few Americans understand or appreciate this.

But wake up, fellow Americans. You may even find it amusing for the Catholic Church or conservative Christians to be attacked. But if this can happen to us, it can happen to you. Think twice, and then think a third time too. You have every reason to stand with us, and only bigotry and the desires of the flesh to oppose us. Make no mistake; you will be next. The Government will not cease its encroachment on basic liberties at the exit door of the Catholic Church. The steamroller is heading for you next. Stand with us.

We won today, but barely. It should have been 9–0. Wake up, America; your religious and other liberties are hanging by the thread of one vote.


TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: msgrcharlespope
Full title: OK, We Won. But the Hobby Lobby Vote should have been 9 – 0. Wake up, America. Your liberty is on the line!
1 posted on 07/01/2014 2:31:50 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: AllAmericanGirl44; Biggirl; Carpe Cerevisi; ConorMacNessa; Faith65; GreyFriar; Heart-Rest; ...

Msgr Pope ping


2 posted on 07/01/2014 2:32:35 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
Where are all the liberals who march under the banners of tolerance? Where are the First Amendment zealots willing to stand with us? They are nowhere to be found, I suspect because it touches on abortion and contraception, which have become like sacraments for them.

Why was the ACLU on the wrong side of this fight for First Amendment rights?

Don’t worry I know. It’s a rhetorical question.

3 posted on 07/01/2014 2:37:33 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: markomalley
But wake up, fellow Americans. You may even find it amusing for the Catholic Church or conservative Christians to be attacked. But if this can happen to us, it can happen to you. Think twice, and then think a third time too. You have every reason to stand with us, and only bigotry and the desires of the flesh to oppose us. Make no mistake; you will be next. The Government will not cease its encroachment on basic liberties at the exit door of the Catholic Church. The steamroller is heading for you next. Stand with us.

May there should be another question to follow this one.

Why do so many Catholics continue to follow the anti-Catholic Democratic Party to the polls? It is senseless. The Democrats are opposed to almost every moral standard that Catholic Church upholds.

I say this as a practicing Catholic. I am baffled.

4 posted on 07/01/2014 2:43:17 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

Not surprised that the Catholic Church, the Christian faith is attacked, got to remember that it is assumed that we Christians will take the abuse.


5 posted on 07/01/2014 2:47:47 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Pontiac
Why do so many Catholics continue to follow the anti-Catholic Democratic Party to the polls? It is senseless. The Democrats are opposed to almost every moral standard that Catholic Church upholds.

Almost?

While I can understand why the Church would not support the positions of the GOPe, I agree that I can't fathom why they support the Dhimmicraps either.

6 posted on 07/01/2014 3:08:43 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

So, then, the Severability Clause that wasn’t included in the Oblahblah-care act is invoked?

ANY Unconstitutionality in this piece of crap should negate the ENTIRE BILL without a severability clause. WHY is the bill still in effect?

USSC fail again.


7 posted on 07/01/2014 3:11:01 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: Pontiac

Look at the “pope”. Stoned commie
Look at dolan from new york. schumers buddy
Look at georgetown university (sandra fluck)


8 posted on 07/01/2014 3:13:31 AM PDT by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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To: All

A great point made by the Msgr.

We are failing as a culture, when Americans don’t know how to think.


9 posted on 07/01/2014 3:33:16 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: markomalley

The 3 women on the court couldn’t get past their sex.


10 posted on 07/01/2014 3:55:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: markomalley

The problem remains as long as abortion is legal.


11 posted on 07/01/2014 3:55:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Pontiac
My granddaughter was about 8. Abortion was the issue at hand. She wasn't being influenced by either religion or us.

She blurted out..."How could anyone ever do that?"

12 posted on 07/01/2014 3:58:56 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: markomalley

He’s right


13 posted on 07/01/2014 4:29:26 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: markomalley

I’m a liitle puzzled as to how an employer’s right to not fund healthcare practices that contravene his or her religious beliefs can be limited to just contraception.


14 posted on 07/01/2014 4:37:48 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...

Victory ping!


15 posted on 07/01/2014 4:50:53 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

We can always use a victory.Let us accentuate the positive!


16 posted on 07/01/2014 5:56:43 AM PDT by ardara
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To: markomalley
**Everyone, no matter his political or moral stance, should be very concerned about the growing intrusiveness and raw power of a government that thinks it can force people to act against their faith and to cooperate in what they think is evil. Catholic opposition to abortion and contraception is nothing new. It goes all the way back to Scripture, which condemned thus use of “pharmakeia” (e.g., Gal 5:20, Rev 9:21, and 18:23). The Didache and countless documents of the Fathers and the Magisterium have always upheld these views. We have not changed, the culture has. To compel us to provide and even pay for what we consider evil is wrong and un-American. It is shocking that so few Americans understand or appreciate this.**

A good Segway into the truth about Hobby Lobby. Although they offer other avenues of contraception to their employees, they would not support the mandated abortion and abortifacients (Morning after pill). It that simple because they are a closely held (family) business that believes and lives their religion in their business. They even play religious music in their stores. (And not just at Christmas!)

God bless them.

PS. This does not apply to corporations, etc. as the libs would have you believe.

17 posted on 07/01/2014 6:04:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Wolfie

18 posted on 07/01/2014 6:15:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
**Everyone, no matter his political or moral stance, should be very concerned about the growing intrusiveness and raw power of a government that thinks it can force people to act against their faith and to cooperate in what they think is evil. Catholic opposition to abortion and contraception is nothing new. It goes all the way back to Scripture, which condemned thus use of “pharmakeia” (e.g., Gal 5:20, Rev 9:21, and 18:23).

It actually goes back to the Ten Commandments....thou shall not murder. That is the taking of innocent life.

The Greek word parmakeia, actually means socery, magic enchantment. From Word Helps: drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts

While I appreciate what your attempting to say, and I agree that the murder of the unborn child is against God's Laws as outlined in the Ten Commandments and many other places, the context of the word as used in the verse in Galatians doesn't support what you're saying. I would agree though that abortion is one of the deeds of the flesh.

Gal 5:19-20 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rev 9:21 would be more appropriate if we were to focus on the word murders. But again, the context of this passage is dealing with the trumpet judgments of the tribulation.

19 posted on 07/01/2014 6:41:15 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: markomalley

Actually, ObamaCare should never have passed.


20 posted on 07/01/2014 12:00:03 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: markomalley
why didn’t the Justices vote 9–0?

Because 4 of the "justices" are baby killing leftists ... and the left in this country are death eaters. They live to kill: the unborn, the elderly, the ill ... anyone who gets in their way or who they find inconvenient.

Leftism == Murder.

Ask R. J. Rummel for the details ...

21 posted on 07/01/2014 12:02:25 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: HarleyD
Actually, ObamaCare should never have passed.

0bamacare passed because a majority of Americans, in a majority of States and Congressional Districts, voted for the Demonic Party.

When 0bamacare passed, the Demonic Party held a strong majority in the House, a filibuster-resistant majority in the Senate, and the President. The American People voted for this representation knowing full well what such representation would do.

0bamacare passed because a majority of the People of the United States who could be bothered to get off their asses and vote, voted for communism.

22 posted on 07/01/2014 12:10:37 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: markomalley

Msgr. Pope for Pope!


23 posted on 07/01/2014 12:16:43 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: markomalley

The 4 statists will always “rule” in favor of expansive intrusive and collectivist government.

“should have been” 9-0 iff the USSC justices were more concerned about originalism than advancing an agenda.


24 posted on 07/01/2014 12:18:09 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Pontiac; markomalley; NYer
"Why do so many Catholics continue to follow the anti-Catholic Democratic Party to the polls? It is senseless. The Democrats are opposed to almost every moral standard that Catholic Church upholds."

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That truly is mystifying, as is the fact that I've never heard any Catholic priest (other than Fr. Mitch Pacwa in his homilies on EWTN's Tuesday morning televised Daily Masses) even mention the HHS Mandate, or any other problems with Obamacare, or what's wrong with "same-sex marriage", or the problem with abortions in general, or any of the other major moral issues of our time which are supported by demoncraps and squishy republicans, (though these priests can go on and on, week after week after week after week, preaching about the diocesan appeal for their special CSA money collection).   

(And there can't be more than a handful of USCCB bishops raising a public stink about these prominent "right/wrong" moral issues of our day.)

I wonder if others here have experienced that same dearth of homilies bringing attention to these modern moral atrocities, and what our Catholic Church plainly teaches about them.

(This article by Msgr. Pope is very insightful and sobering.    In addition to those 4 totally misguided Supreme Court justices, all these other Americans who support easier access to baby-killing like this, in a way, remind us of the great numbers of people who once upon a time were yelling "Crucify Him! Crucify Him! We have no king but Caesar!".    They were so utterly wrong too.)

25 posted on 07/01/2014 7:49:43 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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