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Supreme Court ruling legalizes religious discrimination [BARF ALERT]
Associated Baptist Press ^ | 7/3/2014 | Bruce Gourley

Posted on 07/03/2014 2:43:42 PM PDT by markomalley

On June 30 the United States Supreme Court, in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, ruled that the religious beliefs of employers trump the free conscience and civil rights of employees.

For traditional Baptists, the decision hearkens to earlier centuries when kings and popes mandated religious dogma, denying religious liberty and freedom of conscience to their subjects. Similar to that earlier era, the religious dogma of the Green family (the Southern Baptist owners of Hobby Lobby) is now legally binding upon employees.

Baptists in Europe and America of the 17th to 19th centuries were routinely denied religious liberty and freedom of conscience by establishment churches and their governmental allies. Often forced to submit to establishment dogma or leave their homes, early Baptists insisted that freedom of conscience and religious liberty is due all persons. These Baptists shed their blood and served prison time in order to ensure that the religious beliefs of the powerful and privileged could not be forced upon citizens.

But on June 30, five male, Roman Catholic conservatives on the Supreme Court reversed the course of history and steered the United States back down the long-discredited path of the powerful and privileged, overriding the consciences and rights of ordinary citizens, in the name of religious dogma.

Similar to religious edicts of centuries ago, the particular religious dogma for which the Supreme Court ruled in favor of — opposition to birth control, or contraception — is widely discredited by America’s Christian community. Studies have shown that some 99 percent of American women of childbearing age use contraception. This number includes 98 percent of Catholic women, despite the Roman Catholic Church’s long-standing decree that birth control is a sin.

Also, reflecting an earlier era when religion dismissed scientific truths that disproved religious dogma, Hobby Lobby’s owners cite religious convictions in objecting to certain forms of birth control that they believe — despite clear scientific evidence to the contrary — cause abortions. The five majority Supreme Court justices dismissed the need for scientific evidence in decreeing that the religious convictions of business owners, whether true or false, can be forced upon employees.

Then again, the “convictions” of the Green family are clearly in question, as they have long, and widely, invested in pharmaceutical companies producing the same contraceptives that the Greens’ accuse of inducing abortions. This inherent hypocrisy calls into questions the Greens’ true motivations. Since in actual practice Hobby Lobby’s owners previously exhibited no moral qualms about supporting the so-called abortion drug industry, perhaps their purpose in suing the Obama administration was to secure legal favoritism and privilege for conservative Christians, as part of a larger, stated strategy of turning America into a Christian nation?

In the Hobby Lobby case and other recent decisions, the conservative Roman Catholic Supreme Court majority certainly seem bent on elevating Christianity above other religions. Most notably, a May 5 ruling (Town of Greece v. Galloway) allows local government officials to discriminate against non-Christian American citizens.

The corporate scope of the Hobby Lobby decision is expansive, allowing 90 percent of American businesses (of which Christianity represents the majority faith among ownership) to, in the name of the owners’ religious dogma, legally discriminate against the consciences and civil rights of employees, affecting some 52 percent of the American workforce.

Contraception is the beginning. The door is now cracked open for most corporations, Christian-owned or otherwise, to impose a wide range of religious dogma upon America’s workforce. How far open will this door swing? And how clear-headed are the Greens, the conservative Roman Catholic Supreme Court majority, and the legions of other conservative Christian nationalists in allowing the religious beliefs of employers to supersede the rights and beliefs of employees?

For example, the second-largest shareholder of News Corps, parent of Fox News, is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a Muslim. The way has been paved for News Corp to decree that women employees must wear Islamic garb, and that all employees must pray five times a day toward Mecca. The many Mormon-owned corporations (Mormonism being “the most capitalist religion”) can now, if they wish, set their sights on requiring employees to abstain from coffee and tea while on the job, or mandate the wearing of Mormon sacred garments as a part of the workplace dress code.

Early Baptists in America, a persecuted minority considered heretics by establishment Christian colonial theocracies, understood that freedom of conscience and religious liberty must apply equally to all. They gave their all to bring about an egalitarian vision of freedom. That some of their faith descendants would betray this great Baptist vision and instead demand special, and discriminatory, favoritism to the powerful and privileged is unconscionable, not to mention in opposition to Jesus and the Gospels.

America’s — and Baptists’ — hard-fought heritage of church and state separation is now endangered by five radical members of the Supreme Court who, in the space of two months, have twice decreed that the religious dogmas of powerful and privileged Christians must be favored over and against the rights of ordinary citizens.

Now is the time for all faithful Baptists to join the majority of other Americans, religious and secular, in demanding a halt to any further attempts to allow religiously dogmatic business owners and government officials to discriminate against employees and citizens.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: baptist
Just because I posted this drivel doesn't mean I agree with it.

Just thought it would be interesting discussion.


About the author: Bruce Gourley is executive director of the Baptist History and Heritage Society.


Question for Baptist FReepers: is this the consensus Baptist position on the issue? Or is this guy out in left field?

1 posted on 07/03/2014 2:43:42 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

I’m Catholic but the answer to the second question is yes.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 2:47:25 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: markomalley

Anti-Christian filth.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 2:49:20 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: markomalley

When did an employer’s paying for someone’s Obamacare and abortions become an employee’s civil right? Did I miss something?


4 posted on 07/03/2014 2:52:25 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: markomalley

Mark! Drivel is putting it mildly. The employees can still pay for their abortion pills out of their own pocket.


5 posted on 07/03/2014 2:52:58 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 84)
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To: johniegrad

Completely misses the case that the government may not enforce its will upon individuals when it is in fundamental conflict with the individual’s religious beliefs and when an expedient alternative is readily available. The author has it precisely upside down and opposite the facts. No one is reszticted from acquiring abortifacients by this ruling. HL simply is not required to provbide them.


6 posted on 07/03/2014 2:53:07 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This The author is corrects a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: markomalley
Question for Baptist FReepers: is this the consensus Baptist position on the issue? Or is this guy out in left field?

 

I went to the link to see what commentators are saying. But there are no comments as of right now.

7 posted on 07/03/2014 2:53:09 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: FreeInWV

Owning a gun is a civil right. Does this mean my employer has to buy me one?


8 posted on 07/03/2014 2:56:29 PM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: markomalley

I went to his website...and found a link to another one of his websites (his name is in the bottom left corner) about...Climate Change.

http://www.climatechange.ws/

And this guy has other sites too...sort of a sophisticated blog pimped wrapped in a revisionist Bible. Here’s a blog site:

http://baptistperspective.brucegourley.com/

More fixation on birth control, an article equating conservatives with Nazis, disdain for the founding fathers...usual liberal junk.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 2:57:35 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew
More fixation on birth control, an article equating conservatives with Nazis, disdain for the founding fathers...usual liberal junk.

So why in the world is a Baptist press site posting this stuff if he is such a flake? That's what is so confusing to this simple Papist.

10 posted on 07/03/2014 2:58:49 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
"Discrimination"

Thanks to MLK and company, "discrimination", which means freedom to choose, has somehow become to mean something evil.

What a LIE. Discrimination, like freedom, is a good thing and is each person's God-given, unalienable right of liberty and free pursuits. Fight back, America.

11 posted on 07/03/2014 3:00:21 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: markomalley

Good questions.

I’ve seen the same kind of garbage on the Christian Post. And on a secular level, even Townhall will allow some nutjobs to post there.


12 posted on 07/03/2014 3:03:22 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: markomalley

I’m a Catholic myself....a bad, lapsed Catholic...but a Catholic nonetheless.

I don’t understand it either.


13 posted on 07/03/2014 3:10:40 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: markomalley

Practically every sentence of this article has a lie in it.
Maybe let’s talk about how your employer actually infringes on your rights:
How many government jobs require you join a union?
How many places, including my current job, require you to hand over your second amendment rights and your natural right to self defense as a term of employment?


14 posted on 07/03/2014 3:13:16 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: markomalley

It’s retarded.


15 posted on 07/03/2014 3:14:51 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: markomalley
Question for Baptist FReepers: is this the consensus Baptist position on the issue? Or is this guy out in left field?

The guy got a dose of bad drugs somewhere. If he startd spewing that nonsense in the Baptist Church I attend he would instantly be physically thrown out the door, and instructed never to return.

16 posted on 07/03/2014 3:21:35 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: markomalley

This is simultaneously erupting on all fronts. The looney left, the evangelical right. Its showing up from NYT to HuffPo to Free Republic.

IMHO this is why they picked this issue to roll out a couple years ago. It came out of no where. They would like to, as usual, unit the nation in a frenzy of anti catholic sentiment.

The irony is, I believe, if they win on amnesty the voters they pull into the Democratic party will undercut this anti catholic movement.

Anyway the knownothing/nativists are afoot again.


17 posted on 07/03/2014 4:07:32 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: markomalley

There are different Baptist groups. I know one here broke away from Southern Baptist to join another more liberal group. Southern is the most conservative. I think some Blacks have their own group but I am not sure although some go to our church.


18 posted on 07/03/2014 4:10:53 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: markomalley

This is a liberal Baptist website. Aborting babies is probably fine with them as long as they’re not baptized.


19 posted on 07/03/2014 6:13:10 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

“This is a liberal Baptist website. Aborting babies is probably fine with them as long as they’re not baptized.”

Baptist’s don’t baptize babies. And they don’t recognize other baptists they know in the liquor store.


20 posted on 07/03/2014 6:25:31 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: markomalley; Oldeconomybuyer; RightField; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; Lowell1775; JPX2011; NKP_Vet; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

21 posted on 07/03/2014 6:26:18 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: markomalley

Bruce Gourley is just another leftist POS. Baptist? LOL...


22 posted on 07/03/2014 6:31:08 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: markomalley

“That’s what is so confusing to this simple Papist.”

What’s the difference between a Papist and a Baptist? :-)


23 posted on 07/03/2014 6:37:02 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: ReformationFan
"This is a liberal Baptist website. Aborting babies is probably fine with them as long as they’re not baptized."

Trying to do a wince.

>:*{


24 posted on 07/03/2014 6:56:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Without justice, what is the State but a great band of robbers?" - St. Augustine)
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To: ReformationFan
"This is a liberal Baptist website. Aborting babies is probably fine with them as long as they’re not baptized."

Trying to do a wince.

>:*{


25 posted on 07/03/2014 6:56:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Without justice, what is the State but a great band of robbers?" - St. Augustine)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

That was my point. I find it odd that any one who supports abortion and homosexuality(both prohibited in Scripture) would think baptizing infants(never prohibited in Scripture) was wrong.


26 posted on 07/03/2014 7:11:43 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good wince, Mrs. Don-o.


27 posted on 07/03/2014 7:15:04 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
What’s the difference between a Papist and a Baptist? :-)

Papists recognize each other in the liquor store.

28 posted on 07/03/2014 7:55:59 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

Love it, thanks!


29 posted on 07/03/2014 8:02:19 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: ReformationFan

“That was my point...etc”

I was not raised Catholic, thougn I was baptised as an infant. And you are absolutely correct...baptising infants was never prohibited by scripture.

My baptism was that I was babtised to grow up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. In other words, I was committed by my parents to Him.


30 posted on 07/03/2014 8:10:40 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Amen. Well said.


31 posted on 07/04/2014 6:23:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Without justice, what is the State but a great band of robbers?" - St. Augustine)
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