Skip to comments.The Pope: We are Christians because we belong to the Church, "can't love God outside of the Church"
Posted on 07/03/2014 4:10:21 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
Vatican City (AsiaNews) - "We are not isolated and we are not Christians individually, each on his or her own". Instead, we are all part of the Church, "a large family, where one is welcomed," where "one learns to live as believers and disciples of the Lord Jesus," Pope Francis said.
Speaking in the last general audience before the July break, the Holy Father devoted his catechesis to the Church before a crowd of 35,000 in St Peter's Square. Despite a few drops of rain, he walked extensively among the assembled faithful.
In his address, he warned against those who "think they can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside of the communion and the mediation of the Church."
In the Church, he noted, there is no "do it yourself", no "free agents." For him, "Our Christian identity is belonging! We are Christians because we belong to the Church. It is like a surname. If the name is 'I am a Christian', the surname is 'I belong to the Church'." Such sense of belonging was born from the alliance between God and Abraham, to whom he donated a great people for his loyalty.
"God's relationship to his people comes before all of us, it comes from that time," and thus, "in this sense, our thoughts go first, with gratitude, to those who have gone before us and who welcomed us into the Church. No one becomes a Christian by himself! Is this clear? Nobody becomes a Christian by himself. Christians are not made in a lab.
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Clearly “the church” owns the concession rights on God’s mercy.
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” We are Christians because we belong to the Church”
It’s rather we belong to the Church because we are Christians.
The Church is the Body of Believers and is not incumbent in one organization or denomination.
It is created by God and above and beyond human institutions.
We didn’t build that.
Geez the pope is short on doctrine (except the Catholic Doctrine ) which is false. Pure crap coming from one of the most powerful men in the world. Lord, forgive him as he knows not what he says.
Scripture says that WE the believers are the church.
So why hasn’t he even mentioned the Catholic woman in Sudan that the ROP is trying to have murdered?
As a Protestant, I am OK with the Pope on this one. At least he is being honest. The fact he is wrong costs me nothing.
They disagree with God on that and that is why they think they are better than us.
Bravo! For once, Pope Francis speaks like his pre-VCII predecessors.
El popa is either the most misquoted man in history, or is adding basic Bible to his expanding list of ignorance.... Or perhaps both.
Seems to me its been written somewhere that there is one mediator between God and man and that would be Christ Jesus. Don't remember any mention of the church doing this or having to rely on some kind of mediatrix or some such silliness.
This is like saying that the church IS God.
“That we may be one.”
We’re not Christians individually, Pope? Getting in touch with your inner collectivist again, apparently...
Ironically per the catechism itself, protestants are included in his definition of church.
But that doesn’t stop the ranters......
Wonk wrote: “Ironically per the catechism itself, protestants are included in his definition of church. But that doesnt stop the ranters......”
I totally agree. to me the ‘ranters’ here are doing their best to destroy Christian unity and thus are abetting and aiding the work of those who are openly against Christianity.
Don't you find it a little uneasy to fib?
Romans 8: 1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to Gods law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligationbut it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children.
Papa! Papa! Papa! Bravo! Ladies and gentleman, we have a pope, and God bless him!
Faith alone in Christ alone.
What “Catechism” do protestants have? The Pope is speaking of the One, True, Church! The Holy Catholic Church, headquartered in Rome.
God, are they that dumb?
Just because we honor the successor of St. Peter, the first Pope, does not mean that we don’t have faith in God.
(Remember that Luther added the word ‘alone’ to the Bible.)
“Clearly the church owns the concession rights on Gods mercy.”
No, but God sent the Church to be an instrument of His mercy. If it was good enough for Him to establish for that purpose, it’s certainly good enough for anyone who claims to love Him.
Church. Christ’s Church.
The Church is Christ’s Body.
Thats a fact. And a pagan one at that.
The beleivers are the church
That is exactly what it is and it is unsettling that it is promoted so much on FR.
“The beleivers are the church”
Not all those who claim to believe in Christ are fully united with the Church. Sectarians cannot be fully united with what they have separated themselves from.
I have never separated myself from Jesus.
They will follow it all the way to hell if necessary to protect their man made beliefs. You can see how they are trying to pollute the scenery with lies instead of making the truth be known by the scriptures.
“We believe also in the holy Church, that is, the Catholic Church. For heretics violate the faith itself by a false opinion about God; schismatics, however, withdraw from fraternal love by hostile separations, although they believe the same things we do. Consequently, neither heretics nor schismatics belong to the Catholic Church; not heretics, because the Church loves God; and not schismatics, because the Church loves neighbor” (Faith and the Creed 10:21 [A.D. 393]). ~ St. Augustine
“I have never separated myself from Jesus.”
You have if you have separated yourself from His Body - the Church.
“Thats a fact. And a pagan one at that.”
Name for me all the pagan cults you know who believe in the following:
The Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, all Divine Persons. These divine Persons are the only deity in the universe. There are no other gods. Second Person of the Trinity took on flesh and walked the earth as a man, born of virgin Jewish girl named Mary, just so He could suffer, die on a cross, and be resurrected for our salvation.
Put up or shut up.
Do you know how Charlie Manson you all sound?
The people who believe in HIM are the church.
“Do you know how Charlie Manson you all sound?”
Do you know how Harry Reid you sound?
If the Holy Father said what is being reported, then he is in error if he is saying the Church is Only the Roman Church he heads.
“The people who believe in HIM are the church.”
Not necessarily. Don’t assume. Matthew 7:21
Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God
But the Catholic Church says.
We need not shrink from admitting that candles, like incense and lustral water, were commonly employed in pagan worship and the rites paid to the dead. But the Church from a very early period took them into her service, just as she adopted many other things indifferent in themselves, which seemed proper to enhance the splendor of religious ceremonial. We must not forget that most of these adjuncts to worship, like music, lights, perfumes, ablutions, floral decorations, canopies, fans, screens, bells, vestments etc. were not identified with any idolatrous cult in particular; but they were common to almost all cults (Catholic Encyclopedia, III, 246.)
When we give or receive Christmas gifts; or hang green wreaths in our homes and churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs...the god, Woden, in Norse Mythology, descends upon the earth yearly between December 25th and January 6th to bless mankind...But pagan though they be, they are beautiful customs. They help inspire us with the spirit of 'good will to men', even as the sublime service of our Church reminds us of the peace on earth which the babe of Bethlehem came to bestow (Externals of the Catholic Church, 140).
Catholics cant deny that the RCC has incorporated pagan practices into its practices. The RCC itself admits that it does. The RCC refuses to hear the words of the Lord.
Jer.44:16-17 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
The RCC will, just as Israel did, experience the wrath of God for disobeying His word. The admonition in Revelation to come out of her my people is for those who truly want to listen to God.
Then one only needs to see the list designating a cult and compare it to the claims by the Catholic Church to see its a cult.