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The Pope: We are Christians because we belong to the Church, "can't love God outside of the Church"
http://www.asianews.it ^ | June 25, 2014 | The Vatican

Posted on 07/03/2014 4:10:21 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Vatican City (AsiaNews) - "We are not isolated and we are not Christians individually, each on his or her own". Instead, we are all part of the Church, "a large family, where one is welcomed," where "one learns to live as believers and disciples of the Lord Jesus," Pope Francis said.

Speaking in the last general audience before the July break, the Holy Father devoted his catechesis to the Church before a crowd of 35,000 in St Peter's Square. Despite a few drops of rain, he walked extensively among the assembled faithful.

In his address, he warned against those who "think they can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside of the communion and the mediation of the Church."

In the Church, he noted, there is no "do it yourself", no "free agents." For him, "Our Christian identity is belonging! We are Christians because we belong to the Church. It is like a surname. If the name is 'I am a Christian', the surname is 'I belong to the Church'." Such sense of belonging was born from the alliance between God and Abraham, to whom he donated a great people for his loyalty.

"God's relationship to his people comes before all of us, it comes from that time," and thus, "in this sense, our thoughts go first, with gratitude, to those who have gone before us and who welcomed us into the Church. No one becomes a Christian by himself! Is this clear? Nobody becomes a Christian by himself. Christians are not made in a lab.

(Excerpt) Read more at asianews.it ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Moral Issues; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicsonly; christianity; exclusionary; noheaven4you; pope
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1 posted on 07/03/2014 4:10:21 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Clearly “the church” owns the concession rights on God’s mercy.


2 posted on 07/03/2014 4:12:18 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: NKP_Vet

Cult.


3 posted on 07/03/2014 4:18:28 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: shalom aleichem

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4 posted on 07/03/2014 4:20:18 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: NKP_Vet

” We are Christians because we belong to the Church”

It’s rather we belong to the Church because we are Christians.

The Church is the Body of Believers and is not incumbent in one organization or denomination.

It is created by God and above and beyond human institutions.

We didn’t build that.


5 posted on 07/03/2014 4:28:24 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: NKP_Vet

Geez the pope is short on doctrine (except the Catholic Doctrine ) which is false. Pure crap coming from one of the most powerful men in the world. Lord, forgive him as he knows not what he says.


6 posted on 07/03/2014 4:30:21 PM PDT by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Scripture says that WE the believers are the church.


7 posted on 07/03/2014 4:30:46 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight (...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: NKP_Vet

So why hasn’t he even mentioned the Catholic woman in Sudan that the ROP is trying to have murdered?


8 posted on 07/03/2014 4:31:23 PM PDT by chae (The Lannisters send their regards--Game of Thrones)
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To: NKP_Vet

As a Protestant, I am OK with the Pope on this one. At least he is being honest. The fact he is wrong costs me nothing.


9 posted on 07/03/2014 4:32:28 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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bfl


10 posted on 07/03/2014 4:33:16 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: ifinnegan
It’s rather we belong to the Church because we are Christians. The Church is the Body of Believers and is not incumbent in one organization or denomination. It is created by God and above and beyond human institutions.

They disagree with God on that and that is why they think they are better than us.

11 posted on 07/03/2014 4:34:12 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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"We cannot love God without loving our brothers and sisters; we cannot love God outside of the Church; we cannot be in communion with God without being in the Church; and we cannot be good Christians if we are not with all those who seek to follow the Lord Jesus, as one people, one body. And this is the Church."Pope Francis

Bravo! For once, Pope Francis speaks like his pre-VCII predecessors.

12 posted on 07/03/2014 4:34:22 PM PDT by ebb tide
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El popa is either the most misquoted man in history, or is adding basic Bible to his expanding list of ignorance.... Or perhaps both.


13 posted on 07/03/2014 4:34:41 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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he warned against those who "think they can have a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside of the communion and the mediation of the Church

Seems to me its been written somewhere that there is one mediator between God and man and that would be Christ Jesus. Don't remember any mention of the church doing this or having to rely on some kind of mediatrix or some such silliness.

14 posted on 07/03/2014 4:35:11 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: Usagi_yo

Not necessary.


15 posted on 07/03/2014 4:36:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet

*facepalm*

This is like saying that the church IS God.


16 posted on 07/03/2014 4:36:40 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: stilloftyhenight

“That we may be one.”


17 posted on 07/03/2014 4:36:55 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: stilloftyhenight

bump!!


18 posted on 07/03/2014 4:37:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3175751/posts?page=17#17


19 posted on 07/03/2014 4:39:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet

We’re not Christians individually, Pope? Getting in touch with your inner collectivist again, apparently...


20 posted on 07/03/2014 4:40:16 PM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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