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Christopher Hitchens: The Last Good American Atheist
America (big tip o'the hat to Hot Air) ^ | 07/01/14 | Sean Salai, S. J.

Posted on 07/04/2014 1:33:35 AM PDT by jocon307

I asked the middle-aged man across from me, “Who was the last good American president?”

It was the year 2000. As a 19-year old college journalist studying history and political science, I was eager to know my drinking partner’s response to this question. He had just finished railing against Presidents Clinton, Reagan and Bush '41. At this point, I was wondering if he liked any U.S. president at all.

To my surprise, I didn’t have long to wait for an answer. Without hesitation, Christopher Hitchens leaned across the table, looked me in the eye, and quipped with boozy conviction: “Eisenhower.” Then he sipped his whiskey, took a drag from his cigarette, and exhaled through his nose as he stared me in the eye, waiting for my reaction amidst the frivolity of our dingy student hangout.

Amused, I asked: Why Eisenhower?

“Because he was the last president who didn’t take a dump on the Constitution,” Hitchens shot back, taking another drag.

(Excerpt) Read more at americamagazine.org ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: christopherhitchens
I'm posting this because I miss Mr. Hitchens, despite all that he got so very wrong, and because it is most interesting.

I won't be able to check back on this thread for some hours, so please don't think I'm being rude, or lazy.

Never posted in the Religion forum before, but it seemed to be the most appropriate venue.

1 posted on 07/04/2014 1:33:35 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

Apparently this author either does not know or care about Penn Gillette. I think he is a far better man than the alcoholic slob that Hitchens was.


2 posted on 07/04/2014 1:37:51 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

An atheist who is worth listening to, even admiring: Nat Hentoff.


3 posted on 07/04/2014 1:55:25 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Nifster

+1 on Penn. there is no hysterical toy throwing with him. he is quite simply, this is what i believe, if you believe something else...good for you...

also really good on the constitution. there is a great video of him with a rabbi on becks show...was a great conversation.

rare today that you get a guy who will admit there is things he didnt think about. i have a lot of time for Penn.

one of those people you would like to have a discussion with IMHO


4 posted on 07/04/2014 2:08:57 AM PDT by Irishguy
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

bookmark


5 posted on 07/04/2014 2:48:22 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: jocon307

I miss him, too! He had many friends in flyover country. I’m not sure he ever knew that. Although, I can still remember when he was first diagnosed, that religious groups prayed for his recovery and he was wonderfully touched.

It’s true that he never recovered from his brave stance to out Clinton as a whoremaster. He was locked out of tv appearances but he continued to write for Vanity Fair - not exactly chopped liver.

He took on Mother Teresa for some decent reasons and long before this author says he does. He did not like the fact that she was allowing people in her hostels to die while she flew around the world receiving the best health care when she got old. She took money from Papa and Baby Doc and when told it was stolen goods, refused to return it. This led to his amusing turn as Devil’s Advocate at The Vatican. He autographed my edition of “Hell’s Angel” and he was as the author of this article says - polite, funny and willing to spend a few minutes with a fan.


6 posted on 07/04/2014 4:27:03 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: jocon307

There are a lot who miss Hitch. will never forget when he sneered at the Jon Stewart audience and shot them the bird. An epic moment.


7 posted on 07/04/2014 4:32:52 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: jocon307
I'm posting this because I miss Mr. Hitchens, despite all that he got so very wrong, and because it is most interesting.

I do, too. He was wrong on the TEA Party and Sarah but, had he lived, I think he might have come around on those, too.

8 posted on 07/04/2014 5:06:38 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: jocon307

Fixed Point Foundation sponsored several debates with Hitchens on the existence of God. They were very interesting and may still be viewable on their website. Its founder and Hitchens actually became good friends.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/16/my-take-an-evangelical-remembers-his-friend-hitchens/


9 posted on 07/04/2014 5:44:47 AM PDT by subaru
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To: miss marmelstein

He lied about Mother Teresa and you are aiding and abetting his tired old lies. Hitchens was a left-wing, Catholic Church hating loudmouth who hopefully repented and asked for God’s mercy before he left this world.


10 posted on 07/04/2014 6:26:11 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: jocon307
Wait a minute. Before we get too carried away, here is an excellent account of a confrontation between Hitchens and Fr. George Rutler at the Union League Club in NY some seven years ago.

I prayed for Hitchens' health, both soul and body, but it was not God's will. He indeed died a madman.

11 posted on 07/04/2014 7:17:43 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: NKP_Vet

No, he did not lie. I knew these facts about her way before he wrote his book. It was Malcolm Muggeridge (sic!)who put her on the map back in the late 60s with his famous documentary. I, too, believed in her.

I will say that in compensation, her nuns are some of the most marvelous women on earth. We have a small community of them here where I live.


12 posted on 07/04/2014 7:19:20 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Oratam

I didn’t know he had debated the great father. He was once my local priest at St. Agnes. An unforgettable man.


13 posted on 07/04/2014 7:21:53 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Nifster; okie01

I agree with both your choices. Although I never knew Hentoff was an atheist.


14 posted on 07/04/2014 7:24:48 AM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
I once heard Hitchens remark during the Clinton Administration that he regretted his anti-Star Wars position. Really! He did have a habit of changing his mind. He was ridiculously negative about Sarah Palin. I remember being floored when he said that he was disgusted with her “swiveling hips.” Typical British man's fear of sexually attractive women, lol. But who knows? He may have come around...
15 posted on 07/04/2014 7:25:36 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Irishguy

I can’t understand those atheists who get hysterical that anther person believes in God.

I can understand believing in a religion and thinking those who don’t believe at all or believe in another religion are grievously mistaken. But atheists think it’s all nonsense, why do they care if others believe in nonsense? A personal friend, OK, I can see why you’d care, but people in general, it makes no sense to me.

Oh yeah, and as with so many other things we should start saying to them: Tell that to the Muslims.

Because they won’t.


16 posted on 07/04/2014 7:28:58 AM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: miss marmelstein

The scene described is not hard to imagine. I guess no one told Hitchens that Fr. Rutler boxes.


17 posted on 07/04/2014 7:52:25 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: miss marmelstein

Very weird to hear of his comment about the ‘swiveling hips’.

I’m sure Gov. Palin could have brought him “around”, as you say, with a phone call and an autographed picture.

Hell, she might have cured him with a visit.


20 posted on 07/04/2014 8:12:38 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: jocon307

Hitchens has a fabulous chapter on muzzie craziness in his book.


21 posted on 07/04/2014 8:14:33 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein; Salvation

http://www.motherteresa.org/layout.html

Within the next couple of years this blessed servant of God will be SAINT Teresa of Calcutta.

“When she walked into the room to greet me, I felt I was indeed meeting a saint. Few people in our time exemplified so powerfully and yet simply the love and compassion of Christ”. ~ Reverend Billy Graham


22 posted on 07/04/2014 8:16:51 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: jocon307
Although I never knew Hentoff was an atheist.<

An atheist...who is strongly anti-abortion.

On the logic of it: a civilized society should be protective of its posterity.

23 posted on 07/04/2014 8:44:06 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Oratam

Whenever you read something Christopher Hitchens said about God not existing, remember that both his parents committed suicide. His father was said to be a cold man who drove his wife to suicide. Cold, hard fathers are at the root of so much atheism (and not a little bit of homosexuality though Hitchens was not one.) . As smart as Hitchens was, the brilliant Father Rutler was easily his match and more. So Hitchens accused Father of being inhospitable among other things. Why does behavior matter if there is no God? Isn’t everything only relative then? People like Hitchens and Bill Maher want their ideas taken seriously, but why are their opinions anymore special than anyone else’ if they are just random products of evolution? I prayed for Hitchens while he was alive and continue to pray for him occasionally. His cancer seemed to soften him a bit. One would even see him smile on occasion during interviews at the end of his life.


24 posted on 07/07/2014 8:26:27 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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