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Pope: No-work Sundays good, not just for faithful
Washington Post ^ | July 5, 2014 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/05/2014 7:28:35 AM PDT by delchiante

CAMPOBASSO, Italy — Pope Francis says abandoning the traditionally Christian practice of not working on Sundays isn’t such a good change. Francis on Saturday traveled to Molise, an agricultural region in the heart of southern Italy where unemployment is chronically high. While he said poor people need employment to have dignity, he disagreed with opening stores and other businesses on Sundays as a way to create jobs.m

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True freedom is following and observing the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob's calendar, given to us in His sky and His Word-

Our Heavenly Father's calendar points to His Son, and the world's pope gregory calendar points to the Sun..

But so many accept the false premise that there is only one way to tell time, so powers and principalities in this counterfeit world, like the papacy, frame the argument...

One way to certainly deceive the whole world, even the very elect..

I suspect even many protestants,who oppose the papacy on principle, could agree that Sunsday should be holy and work/lobby to make it happen...

Daniel 7:25 says it could/would happen..

1 posted on 07/05/2014 7:28:35 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

I’m so curious. Are you a Seventh Day Baptist? or Adventist? Or rather, what church are you affiliated with?


2 posted on 07/05/2014 7:31:46 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cordially.)
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To: delchiante

what is the point of opening stores on Sunday when no one has any money to buy anything?


3 posted on 07/05/2014 7:32:15 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: delchiante
No-work Sundays good, not just for faithful
When I moved into my neighborhood 35 years ago, there was an (unwritten) understanding that Sunday was a family day - no major remodeling, no lawn mowing, etc.
In the last 10 years, Sunday has become just another day. In fact, yesterday (the 4th of July!) I had two or three neighbors cutting the lawn, trimming hedges ... all the time some of us were hosting picnics.
4 posted on 07/05/2014 7:39:40 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: delchiante

**he disagreed with opening stores and other businesses on Sundays as a way to create jobs**

Even God worked six days and rested on the seventh day.


5 posted on 07/05/2014 7:39:42 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: delchiante
So what would it be, say in the case of nurse or doctor, perhaps even a Nurse Nun in a religious hospital, who happened to have to work on Sunday?

Would that be “not faithful?” Frankly, broad proclamations like this are rather short-sighted. I'm not a Bible scholar, but I'd find it difficult to believe that Jesus, or any of the Disciples or main subjects in it didn't do ‘something’ on the Sabbath.

6 posted on 07/05/2014 7:40:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: delchiante
THIS non-Catholic would LOVE to see Blue Laws brought back in.

When I was a kid, we were forced to play with each other ... actually ... there was no force required ... we had been reared in a social structure that didn't HAVE Sunday entertainment ...

It was a time when we divided candy bars among four friends, shared one bottle of tonic (I'm from Boston), rode our bikes from morning 'til suppah time, never wore helmets or kneepads, didn't know what tofu was nor bean sprouts, in fact ... by today's standards ... I committed suicide by the age of ten.

Sunday was an afternoon at the family table after church .. maybe some play, but not much, 'cause the Wonderful World of Disney came on sometime in the evening and we didn't want to miss that.

Later on in life it was Ed Sullivan

SO disappointed as we aged when we outlived TV ...

I mean the test pattern came on after midnight's prayer and National Anthem.


Remember ... the family that prays together, stays together.
(Which I think was a national anthem in and of itself in those days)

7 posted on 07/05/2014 7:40:45 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: yldstrk

I had a high school job in a small local business that was closed on Sundays. There had been talk about opening on Sundays, but the owners told me that there had been market research studies done in their industry for years — and they all indicated that it made no practical sense to open on Sundays because you just end up taking Saturday’s heavy customer base and spreading it out over two days.


8 posted on 07/05/2014 7:41:01 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Gaffer

THAT was always an exception ... no one has ever, nor is suggesting, everything shuts down.


9 posted on 07/05/2014 7:42:34 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Gaffer
Sure they did. The discourse between Jesus Christ and the Pharisees who criticized him for healing a sick or blind man on the Sabbath is a perfect case in point. Jesus asked them straight up: "If one of your animals falls in a ditch on the Sabbath, who among you would leave it there?"

I read a fascinating sociological study some years ago which suggested that observing a day of rest makes sense even from an pragmatic, atheistic standpoint. The study noted that it was common to work seven days a week in communist countries, and this was a major factor in their substantially lower productivity compared to the West.

10 posted on 07/05/2014 7:45:28 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: knarf

The context here is that who does the interpretation? I could have easily made it something more conventional and less religious. The very title, “No-work Sundays good, not just for faithful” bespeaks of interpretation and in cases, condemnation. And please don’t tell me that some sectors don’t take these interpretations to the extreme. For me, Ramadan, or some Jewish practices, etc. come to mind.


11 posted on 07/05/2014 7:47:20 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Alberta's Child

NO ONE SHOULD WORK EXCEPT THE NFL.


12 posted on 07/05/2014 7:47:35 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I wouldn’t play in the NFL on Sundays, myself.


13 posted on 07/05/2014 7:49:52 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: knarf

The problem with Blue Laws is that common sense gets trumped by bureaucracy. We had them in Ontario until the early 1990s and the rules were bizarre; an exemption based on square footage & employee counts resulted in stores cordoning off sections and dealing with long lineups. I think the hours of operation should be worked out between the shopkeeper and his customers.


14 posted on 07/05/2014 7:49:59 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: delchiante
Pope Francis says abandoning the traditionally Christian practice of not working on Sundays isn’t such a good change

I guess I'm not following this. Not working on Sundays was never a "traditional practice", it was and still is Divine Law. When did Francis think this changed?

15 posted on 07/05/2014 7:52:15 AM PDT by piusv
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To: delchiante
Seems to me that closing on Sunday has worked very well for Chick-Fil-A. I don't see how much more profit a business will make by being open on Sunday. By the time the owner pays wages, utilities and so on, I'd say much of the profit would be eaten up.

I grew up in the era of Blue Laws on Pennsylvania. I don't recall there being any hardship by not having businesses open on Sunday.

By the way, it would be nice if businesses would close on holidays too. Being open on Christmas, for example, is outrageous.

16 posted on 07/05/2014 7:55:38 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: delchiante

The seventh day, not the first day is the day of rest.

The stores should be closed on Saturday if any day.


17 posted on 07/05/2014 7:56:09 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Alberta's Child

As a matter of courtesy to observing neighbors, I will not cut my grass on Sunday if I just absolutely don’t have to because of impending weather. And I agree, taking some time during the week for self-reflection and nonwork leisure is beneficial.


18 posted on 07/05/2014 7:58:00 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Squawk 8888
Well, that was just silly.

Either open or close ... period.

All I'M sayin' is ... except for the fact that I was child (although it must'a ran up to around the early sixties, 'cause I remember having to get gasoline on Saturday).. I didn't miss not being able to spend money on Sunday.

19 posted on 07/05/2014 7:58:23 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: ravenwolf

As a Catholic the Sabbath day is Sunday.


20 posted on 07/05/2014 7:58:33 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Gaffer

There has been a long tradition of exceptions to the rule of no work on Sunday/Sabbath day. As always, some overplay the exceptions.

There is something peaceful in shutting everything down that can safely be shut down and just having a day of rest.

Should emergency rooms have a staff? Sure. There will probably be other exceptions like police, fire, EMS, etc.

And for many business owners, this really streamlines the time off chart. Everyone gets a day off without time chart juggling. Families get to count on something, and it enhances, thereby, family life. So, the bottom line here is that I agree with the Pope here.

And the Pope is simply quoting God.


21 posted on 07/05/2014 8:01:53 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: ravenwolf; piusv

FYI, the apostles were all Jews and so attended synagogue on Saturday and then held their agape meal on Sundays. Eventually this turned into the Mass as we know it today. Read Justin Martyr’s early accounts of these Sunday services.


22 posted on 07/05/2014 8:03:17 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: knarf

Neither did I, but I grew up in the era of the one-income family where mom could shop on a weekday afternoon. Between taxes, inflation and expectations most families need (or think they need) two incomes to get by, so the only time available to get anything done is the weekend.


23 posted on 07/05/2014 8:04:08 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Lacrosse- Canada's national sport, like hockey only violent)
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To: piusv
An excellent book put out by Ignatius Press, BTW.


24 posted on 07/05/2014 8:07:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: xzins

I wholeheartedly agree with your comments on willful inactivity and the benefits thereof. To me, it just isn’t a reason to condemn because of some rigid sense of interpretation of scripture.


25 posted on 07/05/2014 8:13:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: delchiante

I was raised presbyterian and as a teen I questioned their doctrine.

After actually reading the Bible, I first questioned why at church we creepily droned/chanted , about things including believing in the catholic church.

Let’s not even go into all of the vain repetitions and prayers to idols.

Saturday is the Sabbath.

Say what you want about how it changed, who changed it, or why. Simple fact is unless the Bible spells it out in Gods words that the Sabbath has changed, It hasn’t.

I don’t go to church, so this isn’t bashing any denomination.

I will say though, I don’t like the wasted money in churches on expensive buildings and the like.

We need a Tea Party for churches to take us back to our faiths founding document...The Holy Bible.


26 posted on 07/05/2014 8:18:53 AM PDT by paintriot (On the Conservative Coast.)
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To: delchiante

http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis-serve-and-live-in-the-freedom-of-god

So this was all I could find regarding such a homily at such a mass.

Nowhere do I find any of these comments.


27 posted on 07/05/2014 8:20:14 AM PDT by piusv
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To: ravenwolf

I am amazed folks think Sunday is the Sabbath. They must have dusty Bibles.


28 posted on 07/05/2014 8:29:53 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: delchiante
My wife is working tomorrow as a Coronary Care nurse associated with the ER in a major medical center.

If you were to present there with a heart attack, she'd be the first person you'd see.

If you have a problem with this, my suggestion would be not to schedule your heart attack on any Sundays.

BTW We go to Mass Saturday evening.

29 posted on 07/05/2014 8:30:31 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Read this book — it explains why Christians changed to Sundays.


30 posted on 07/05/2014 8:33:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

Read this book — it explains why Christians changed to Sundays.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3176279/posts?page=24#24


31 posted on 07/05/2014 8:33:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
My take
32 posted on 07/05/2014 8:53:03 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I observe His calendar. the one with its template in Ezekiel 46:1..

His New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts are only found using His sun, moon and stars..

Those new moons, Sabbaths and feasts all have significance to the major life events of the Messiah of Israel...

Saturn’s day is no different than Sun’s Day. It is still accepting the premise that the pope gregory calendar is then accurate way to tell time..

I don’t accept that premise..

Our Heavenly Father’s caleendar numbers days, not names them...

And His Sabbath can fall on any pope gregory calendar day because it uses all of His creation for His timekeeping- not just the Sun like the ancient sun worshippers did way back when- and still do today.
Nothing new under the sun...

Adventists, Jews, Muslims, Christians all can find their own sabbaths with the world’s calendar... and all of them use the pope as their guide..

Scripture tells of a different calendar that shows where His Sabbath is.. but you wont learn about it in church...


33 posted on 07/05/2014 9:45:01 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: oh8eleven

Yesterday Was one of the six work days on our Heavenly Father’s calendar..

Man made holy days are just that- man made...


34 posted on 07/05/2014 9:48:55 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I grew up Pentacostal and my daddy would not strike a lick at a snake on Sunday. We also had blue laws all over the state and nothing was open on Sunday. Absolutely no alcohol sales. Even today there is no sale of booze until after morning church services, around 12 PM.


35 posted on 07/05/2014 9:52:05 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Salvation

And He gave Israel His Calendar and they have abandoned it for calculated calendars..

Proof of this can be that they have postponement and suspension rules for His Feasts when they conflict with their pope gregory calendar mandated sabbath as they cannot have two Sabbaths in a row..

But that never happens on His calendar found in scripture...

Our Heavenly Father’s Calendar has no need for suspension or postponement rules..


36 posted on 07/05/2014 9:53:11 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Gaffer

Sun’s day was last His Sabbath on our heavenly Father’s calendar in gregorian february and now again for four week of gregorian july..

all the other months in between, there were other pope gregory days, like Tiw’s Day, Thor’s Day and Frig/Friya’s Day, that were Sabbaths on His timekeeping..

It is impossible not to work on a Sabbath if one never knows when His True Sabbath is...and no one working mon-fri has enough vacation/PTO time to observe His calendar and work in the world’s template...the two are that different..

And I certainly believe doctors and nurses are perfect examples of samaritans in scripture. and treating and caring for the sick is good on anyday, even the Sabbath...

But accepting the world’s calendar means accepting the world’s premises...


37 posted on 07/05/2014 10:05:55 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: knarf

If our Heavenly Father’s calendar gets revealed to you, and you can then recognize how the entire world is deceived into a false premise as ‘innocent’ as ‘time’, then maybe more will reject the world for His Word..

Sun’s day hasn’t been a sabbath since gregorian february on His calendar..

jews, muslims and christians of all stripes can stumble into His Sabbath a few times in their year..

But that happens when a system uses one piece of His clock to determine time and date instead of everything He gives us.


38 posted on 07/05/2014 10:14:40 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: piusv
"Pope Francis says abandoning the traditionally Christian practice of not working on Sundays isn’t such a good change"

Clearly God's laws have not changed,aand the Pope has not forgotten the 10 Commandments. What he means is society-wide, the whole society has abandoned what it traditionally observed, i.e. the "Honor the Lord's Day" commandment ---- even state offices and businesses/commercial outlets run by secular or non-Christian people.

And he doesn't think this society-wide abandment of our Christian traditions is a good thing.

I expect you'd agree.

39 posted on 07/05/2014 10:18:16 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cordially.)
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To: delchiante

I have no idea what you’re trying to tell me, nor why you’re trying to tell ME.


40 posted on 07/05/2014 10:20:17 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: fatnotlazy

Quote- By the way, it would be nice if businesses would close on holidays too. Being open on Christmas, for example, is outrageous

Christmaa is no more a holy day than July 4 on our Heavenly Father’s calendar.

Our heavenly Father’s calendar with His new moons, Sabbaths and feasts all point to His only begotten Son..

And christmas/december 25 is not on that calendar. Neither is easter...

But the world has accepted the pope gregory calendar and its sabbaths and holy days as worthy substitutes for Scripture and His appointed/set times..

Only one calendar points to the major events of our Messiah’s life..
And it isn’t the one the world uses-and that isn’t an accident...


41 posted on 07/05/2014 10:20:30 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yes, I was questioning it. I also looked into this homily. I’m not sure which post it is but I posted the full homily and I saw nothing about work on Sunday (unless I posted the wrong homily).


42 posted on 07/05/2014 10:21:30 AM PDT by piusv
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To: ravenwolf

Saturn’s’Day is still an acceptance of the premise of the pope gregory calendar being the accurate timekeeping device.

Jews prove the pope gregory calendar is a counterfeit when they have suspension rules and postponement rules for His feasts if they interfere/conflict with their pope gregory appointed sabbath.

Our Heavenly Father’s calendar has no postponements or suspension rules..
At least none found in His Holy Word...

But they too have abandoned what He showed them.. They were to teach us..
And they have become just as worldly as any of us...


43 posted on 07/05/2014 10:25:20 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: paintriot
But scripture says you should not forsake "the assembling together with believers" (some translations say "your meeting together with the faithful" LINK) and says if there any disputes, you should take them to the church.

So it seems you have an opinion on a matter which you do not think important enough to do in real life?

I say this not in an accusatory way, but just to express my puzzlement as to how you would be so attached to the Word in theory but not in practice.

44 posted on 07/05/2014 10:27:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cordially.)
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To: delchiante

Are you familiar with the Gregorian calendar or the liturgical calendar?


45 posted on 07/05/2014 10:31:35 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: paintriot

His calendar has no days named after gods, goddesses, creations...

The pope gregory calendar floats around our Heavenly Father’s calendar.

Today is a work day in His third month.. Tomorrow, and for four weeks, will actually be His seventh day Sabbath...

But then it will ‘change’ on the pope Gregory calendar next ‘month’, either Moons day PR Tiw’s day for four weeks...

But on His calendar, it never changes... His template is found in Ezekiel 46:1,
Shown throughout Torah and confirmed with each major life event of the Messiah of Israel..

New moons, Sabbaths and Feasts that are ignored or erased in Christianity are actually markers for our Messiah’s life (birth, circumcision, dedication, baptism, death, resting in tomb, and resurrection)

All of those are important on our Heavenly Father’s calendar for logical reasons.
on the worlds calendar? Not so much..

Do we actually believe the Word became flesh and dwelt among us or is that just symbolic and not ‘literal’?
Probably depends on who you follow....


46 posted on 07/05/2014 10:31:53 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: All

Does anyone understand what delchiante is saying? If so, could you please help me out?


47 posted on 07/05/2014 10:36:39 AM PDT by piusv
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To: Last Dakotan

You accept the world’s premise that the world doesn’t counterfeit our Heavenly Father’s calendar

I don’t accept that premise...

In gregorian june, Frigg/Friya’s day was His seventh day Sabbath for four weeks...
And it will be A Sun’s Day for parts of gregorian july for four..

And then it will be either a Moons day or Tiw’s day next ‘month’..

The pope gregory calendar floats around His calendar...His Calendar has been abandoned but it can be found in scripture.. and can be observed but it isn’t for those who like the world and its systems...

And nurses and doctors are samaritans caring for the sick.. I think that counts as doing good any day...


48 posted on 07/05/2014 10:44:17 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante; piusv

Very few know of the Holy calendar with 30 day months and a 360 day year. IIRC it has a 19 year cycle. I am going by memory so correct me if I am wrong.


49 posted on 07/05/2014 10:47:27 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Assembly I find less important than the Commandments, but that’s just me. Yes I do sometimes feel it would be nice to hang out with other believers, but not enough to do it.

Mostly because I can read for myself what the Word says and don’t need an interpreter. Do you need a politician to tell you what the Constitution says or means? I would rather read and interpret it myself.

I don’t condemn whatever your practices are. You do your thing your way and I’ll do my thing my way.


50 posted on 07/05/2014 10:49:46 AM PDT by paintriot (On the Conservative Coast.)
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