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Australian Anglicans abandon their “seal of ‘confession’. Trouble to follow.
WDTPRS ^ | July 5, 2014 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 07/05/2014 9:04:25 AM PDT by NYer

The pressure will now rise, since Anglicans have betrayed Christian tradition and history (again).

Never mind that the Church of England has cobbled up a rite of baptism that omits any reference to the Devil (HERE), now we have this from CNW:

Anglicans in Australia abandon seal of confession for serious crimes

Anglican leaders in Australia have unanimously approved a proposal to abandon the confessional seal, authorizing priests to disclose information about serious crimes such as sexual abuse.

The General Synod in Australia, meeting on July 2, passed an amendment to the Anglican canon on confessional secrecy. The change must now be approved by individual dioceses, but Anglican leaders said that they would press for that approval.

The confessional seal has been a subject of tense political debate in Australia, with Catholic Church leaders insisting that it is inviolable. Their Anglican counterparts approved a proposal that would allow priests to disclose sins if they involved criminal offenses that would carry a penalty of more than five years’ imprisonment, and the penitent had not already confessed to police.

Frankly, we don’t need to care much about what Anglicans do, internally to their ecclesial community (not Church – HERE) since they are just shooting blanks over there on the other side of the Tiber. They do not have valid orders and do not validly absolve or confect the Eucharist.

That said, pressure will now be turned up on Catholics to do the same.


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: anglican; confession

1 posted on 07/05/2014 9:04:25 AM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 07/05/2014 9:04:44 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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3 posted on 07/05/2014 9:05:37 AM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: narses; Gay State Conservative
Here's how it would work: as Gay State Conservative said awhile ago:

"Government prosecutor....”tell me who has confessed sexual abuse to you”....Priest responds: “first,people don’t identify themselves to me by name.That is by design.Second,I can’t see their faces.That,too,is by design.Third,many people...out of shame or embarrassment...disguise their voices.So even if I *wanted* to help you I couldn’t."

Or should the priest take the initiative and tip off the police>

Yeah, ring up 911 and say: "Somebody --- I don't know who--- said he sexually molested children, but I don't know exactly what he did, or to whom, or where, or how long ago."

And that benefits whom?

Or, lastly, just put a wire and a videocam in every Confessional. At which point, nobody goes to Confession.

That solves the problem! --- but only if your problem is with the existence of Catholicism.

4 posted on 07/05/2014 9:20:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Cordially.)
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To: NYer
For years the "Seal of the Confessional" was recognized for any denomination. I don't recall ever hearing of a judge that had the stones to push the issue with any clergy, (I could be wrong and would like to know if I am.)

First Gay marriage, female clergy, and now this.

What won't they buckle on?

5 posted on 07/05/2014 9:21:59 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: NYer

No one is stupid enough to go to confession and confess to a crime. Confession was an invention. How it became a sacrament beats me.


6 posted on 07/05/2014 9:30:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: verga
First Gay marriage, female clergy, and now this.

Don't forget this ... Anglicans Set to Remove Satan from Baptismal Rite

7 posted on 07/05/2014 9:34:23 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Why do you suppose the General Synod recommended this, if they don't think they have a way of making it "work?" Perhaps gsc (and you) don't have all the information.
8 posted on 07/05/2014 9:39:57 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NYer

**That said, pressure will now be turned up on Catholics to do the same.**

Won’t happen. Automatic excommunication for the priest. I don’t think priests will ever abandon the seal of Confession.


9 posted on 07/05/2014 9:42:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

The majority of Anglicans now live in Africa, where their faith is growing by leaps and bounds among a profoundly conservative clergy (disregarding such fools as Bishop Tutu, retired).

And they have had it up to here with the antics of the Church of England, the Episcopalians in North America, and now the Australians.

Apparently, the entire church is moving to schism, with the leftist remnants fading away, dispensing with Christianity altogether.


10 posted on 07/05/2014 9:43:52 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Sacajaweau
Confession was an invention. How it became a sacrament beats me.

It has an interesting history going back to the earliest days of the church. Mentioned in the Didache and by Clement of Rome. But I know you will not bother to look it up and educate yourself. Will you.

11 posted on 07/05/2014 9:44:38 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: verga
This happened in a county jail where the priest was unknowingly recorded while hearing a Confession. He won the case, BTW.
12 posted on 07/05/2014 9:45:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Sacajaweau

Confession is an invention?

How wrong.

Confession was the Sacrament that Christ gave to the apostles, saying, while he breathed on them, “Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; who sins you shall hold bound, they are held bound.”

http://biblehub.com/john/20-23.htm

Context
Jesus Appears to the Disciples
John 20: 22-23
And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23”If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.”

(My translation — but it’s in the Bible!)


13 posted on 07/05/2014 9:52:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Its a dead corrupt church, just like many here like PCUSA


14 posted on 07/05/2014 9:55:51 AM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Sacajaweau

“No one is stupid enough to go to confession and confess to a crime.”

Actually it happens all the time.

“Confession was an invention.”

By God, yes.

“How it became a sacrament beats me.”

Again, by God, John 20:19-23.


15 posted on 07/05/2014 10:20:22 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NYer

So, any Anglican who has concerns about any possible criminal charges due to his/her confession visit to an Anglican priest will now decide to make his/her confession visit to a Catholic priest. Potential problem solved.

I don’t see where the Vatican needs to waste any time in reconciliation attempts with the Anglican/Episcopal church as that church is in the midst of self destruction.


16 posted on 07/05/2014 10:40:35 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: Salvation
Won’t happen. Automatic excommunication for the priest. I don’t think priests will ever abandon the seal of Confession.

I had heard a story of a newly ordained priest who had his first scheduled confessions. After he was done, he went to the rectory and told the pastor, "Wow, what a start. First one in the box, and I get adultery!"

That night, a reception was held in his honor. The lady who was head of the parish council had proudly boasted that she got to be the first penitent to go to Confession to the newly ordained priest.

The priest got in BIG trouble. Leesson: The seal is so tight that even an indirect reference that can lead to its betrayal is utterly unacceptable. It is one of the few things that even BAD priests are almost unknown to do.
17 posted on 07/05/2014 10:49:23 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: Sacajaweau

“No one is stupid enough to go to confession and confess to a crime.”

And you know this as fact. . .how?


18 posted on 07/05/2014 11:17:44 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: verga

First it was divorce on demand.


19 posted on 07/05/2014 12:00:35 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: NYer

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20 posted on 07/05/2014 12:27:06 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Catholic doctrine and discipline may be walls; but they are the walls of a playground."--GKC)
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To: Sacajaweau

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “


21 posted on 07/05/2014 1:10:35 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Sacajaweau

If you or anyone else is interested, a good explanation of the history of the Sacrament of Reconciliation can be found here:

http://www.resurrection-catholic.org/learn/sacraments/reconciliation/history_reconciliation.pdf


22 posted on 07/05/2014 2:27:08 PM PDT by rwa265 (Love one another as I have loved you, says the Lord.)
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To: Sacajaweau
So, thrown the book of John out now, too?

The number of people who claim to believe in "Scripture Alone" and refuse to accept what Scripture says (even the Luther Subset of Scripture they've retained) is absolutely amazing.

23 posted on 07/05/2014 3:11:36 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I hope that story is apocryphal. I think seminarians are generally educated to know that you never give out any information that would connect an individual penitent (”first in the box”) to the content of their confession (”adultery”).


24 posted on 07/07/2014 5:27:15 AM PDT by Campion
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