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Pope Francis meets US televangelists, and the first-ever ‘papal high-five’ follows
Religion News Service ^ | 07/10/2014 | Sarah Pulliam Bailey

Posted on 07/10/2014 2:24:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

What does it take to produce the first-ever papal high-five? A meeting with American televangelists, apparently.

The gesture came during a three-hour meeting of Pope Francis and Texas televangelists Kenneth Copeland and James Robison, just weeks after the pontiff met with televangelist Joel Osteen and other religious leaders. At the June 24 meeting, Robison said he was so moved by Pope Francis’ message of the gospel that he asked the translator to ask Francis for a high-five. The pope obliged, raised his arm and the two men smacked hands.

The televangelists are among some wealthier U.S. evangelicals who have recently met with Francis, who has called for a focus on the poor and a simple lifestyle for clergy. In March, the pope met with members of the Green family, the Oklahoma billionaires whose company, Hobby Lobby, won their challenge to President Obama’s contraception coverage mandate at the Supreme Court last week.

Copeland and Osteen have been criticized by some as teaching “health and wealth” prosperity theology, the belief that faith can increase one’s wealth. But from his humble shoes to his simple Fiat, Francis has set a decidedly un-extravagant example.

“The prosperity gospel seems to be fundamentally opposed to the message that Francis has been spreading. But he has shown that he’s willing to meet with just about anyone,” said Michael Peppard, a professor of theology at Fordham University.

“Joel Osteen seems to have a charismatic authority among a large amount of people. Maybe Francis is channeling Jesus: If you disagree with someone, meet with them.”

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James Robison asked if he could “high-five” Pope Francis after his message at the Vatican on June 24, 2014. RNS photo courtesy LIFE Outreach International


Pope Francis met with a group of American televangelists and their spouses at the Vatican on June 24, 2014. RNS photo courtesy Kenneth Copeland Ministries
1 posted on 07/10/2014 2:24:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Cute! I think the Pope should be a little friendlier to traditional Catholics, but he’s great at dealing with our separated brethren and that’s a good thing. Every Pope has his calling.

Nice photos!


2 posted on 07/10/2014 2:28:16 PM PDT by livius
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To: SeekAndFind

Who appointed these dufuses, besides the Pope (I know who appointed him, but I do hold him to be an idiot), as religious leaders? Copeland, Osteen and the rest are prosperity freaks and losers.


3 posted on 07/10/2014 2:28:46 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember when people would try to teach that to my toddler son in the mid 1970s, I would always make them stop and in the Army I would ignore the black GIs efforts to do the 3 minute handshake routine.

I also wasn’t a fan of other ghetto culture, such as describing everyone as bro, or talking about what “went down” or was “going to go down” or the cussing to “keep it real” or all the other coarsening of our culture.


4 posted on 07/10/2014 2:32:01 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually I’ve learned alot from Robinson. He does a lot of in depth bible teaching. Not to fond of Osteen. I learn from EWTN as well and I’m no Catholic.


5 posted on 07/10/2014 2:32:04 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: livius

Those grinning protestants in the photo...they know the liturgy largely has been subverted to their interests.


6 posted on 07/10/2014 2:32:45 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: SeekAndFind

Snake oil salesmen convention. The False Prophet meets the false profit.


7 posted on 07/10/2014 2:36:38 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I do not trust any of them. God did not each any of that prosperity junk. A guy with initials MM is one of the worst. Just give me $58 for a windfall. That was the amount the last time I came across him.


8 posted on 07/10/2014 2:39:42 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: steve86

I’m not Catholic but I’m on the pope’s side here because unlike the TV preachers, he really believes what he says.


9 posted on 07/10/2014 2:42:46 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: livius

Let’s just say the pope doesn’t read the vile comments on the Catholic Church that appear on FR. I was an innocent about evangelicals about a year ago...no longer.


10 posted on 07/10/2014 3:00:33 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein
Let’s just say the pope doesn’t read the vile comments on the Catholic Church that appear on FR. I was an innocent about evangelicals about a year ago...no longer.

Same could be said about catholics as well.

11 posted on 07/10/2014 3:04:58 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: miss marmelstein; All

I would like to remind everyone who call themselves Christian to remember that Jesus’ harshest rebukes were aimed at the religious folk.

His commandment is that we love one another.


13 posted on 07/10/2014 3:16:55 PM PDT by Terabitten (I'd rather have one Walker than fourteen runners.)
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To: Terabitten

Why me, first? Why not Dr. (??) Thorne? He’s always going on about Catholics.


14 posted on 07/10/2014 3:19:21 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

There’s a few nasty Evangelicals here, but I wouldn’t smear them all with the same brush. Some are very nice. There is a lot of anti-Catholicism on FR and unfortunately that’s just a given. But there’s also a lot of positive stuff and I just try to focus on that.

My theory is...ignore them. Satan is the master of division.


15 posted on 07/10/2014 3:30:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius

There’s a lot of nasty vangies here. I run across them all the time - they’re horrible as well you know it. Let’s not be naïve - or purposely naïve - here. I like the church militant and the Old Testament types, not some squishy post-Vatican 2 lets-all-get-along - especially with people who belong to churches that allow gay marriage and women priests and/or beg on tv for money from poor, elderly people.


16 posted on 07/10/2014 3:35:59 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: SeekAndFind

OMG!!! I am a cradle Catholic, and sad to say, I think this Pope has DIMINISHED the PAPECY!!!


17 posted on 07/10/2014 3:43:45 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: miss marmelstein

The next time I post it will be to ping the Moderators.

I suggest you stop your rudeness in this thread.


19 posted on 07/10/2014 3:59:56 PM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: PastorBooks

Grow up and look at your own egotistical, self-absorbed ministries in which there are hundreds of homosexuals running amok. Or just as bad: your Joel Olsteens with teeth more numerous than the many sins I’ve committed in life begging for money and fooling decent old ladies out of their pensions. For shame.


20 posted on 07/10/2014 4:02:06 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: PastorBooks

Poor you! The last refuge of the hurt evangelical - calling in the religious mods who have no time to investigate who is wrong and who is right. Boo hoo.


21 posted on 07/10/2014 4:03:49 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: livius; miss marmelstein

My theory is...ignore them. Satan is the master of division.

***
Exactly. As my dear late mother always reminded me, “Sticks and stones...etc.”


22 posted on 07/10/2014 4:14:36 PM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: Ann Archy

Oh Ann. You just don’t have a sense of humor! ;-)

Actually, I agree with you. When I think of the strong popes loyal to the One True Faith, I think of men who wouldn’t be caught dead giving a “high five”...especially to a Protestant heretic.


23 posted on 07/10/2014 4:25:38 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
" I think of men who wouldn’t be caught dead giving a “high five”...especially to a Protestant heretic."

I'm surprised you're willing to soil yourself by posting on a site with Protestants. Should you even be speaking to us? I mean, the unseemliness of it! /S

That's okay, though, Pius. Really. I know you're a brother in Christ, even if you don't think so.

24 posted on 07/10/2014 4:39:18 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: piusv

Such bad optics.......he needs a talking to by Benedict!!!


25 posted on 07/10/2014 4:44:56 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: miss marmelstein

RE: Let’s just say the pope doesn’t read the vile comments on the Catholic Church that appear on FR. I was an innocent about evangelicals about a year ago...no longer.

Just wondering, how do you know that any rude comments about the popes were posted by Evangelicals?


26 posted on 07/10/2014 4:46:41 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: miss marmelstein

I’m sure he would be thrilled to see what his FR minions say about Protestants on this site.


27 posted on 07/10/2014 4:50:30 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Actually, according to Traditional Catholic teaching, Protestants are separated brethren, but still heretics.


28 posted on 07/10/2014 5:11:06 PM PDT by piusv
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To: SeekAndFind

i question the choices to meet with these “money cometh!” prosperity gospel “preachers”.

i suppose he might figure the light on doctrine crowds are’easier to bring over’to the rcc than those that are rooted deply in biblical theology.


29 posted on 07/10/2014 5:25:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: piusv
"Actually, according to Traditional Catholic teaching, Protestants are separated brethren, but still heretics."

Am I, as a Protestant, considered to be following a false religion?

30 posted on 07/10/2014 5:29:11 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: CatherineofAragon; piusv

“”Actually, according to Traditional Catholic teaching, Protestants are separated brethren, but still heretics.”

Don’t forget that not all holders of heresy are fully blameworthy because they know no better.

“Am I, as a Protestant, considered to be following a false religion?”

If it is Protestant, it was started by a man and not by Christ. It is by definition false. It may hold to some truth, but it also embraces and teaches error.


32 posted on 07/10/2014 5:33:47 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; piusv

Thanks, vladmir. That confirms what Pius told me recently.

No hard feelings, brother. :)


33 posted on 07/10/2014 5:39:26 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: piusv

same thing my Orthodox friends say about the Romans...

...and relax, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’m a severely lapsed Anglican, who’s just tired of the internecine bullcrap Christians seem capable of throwing at each other...

Good luck. I notice your Bishop of Rome has brought the Vatican Bank into the 21st century using some semblance of accounting standards...that’s actually going to give you more problems than a bunch of narcissistic, telegenic nutters obsessed with popular culture expressions of “unity”.


34 posted on 07/10/2014 5:39:58 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: miss marmelstein

Well, there’s the crowd that swears up and down that the Roman Catholic church is the Whore of Babylon.

And there’s another crowd that swears up and down that it is one and the same with the Perfect Bride of Christ, and that anyone with a lower view of it is on the express bus to hell.

My take on it? Both of these crowds partake of blasphemy. They are trying to define the church in terms of enemies, of which of CO-OURSE they are conveniently not.


35 posted on 07/10/2014 5:42:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“No hard feelings, brother. :)”

None at all. If you’re baptized, we have the same Father whom we can call on as Abba!


36 posted on 07/10/2014 5:43:23 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

How about hijacked by a man or men...


37 posted on 07/10/2014 5:45:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

He might have more classily met with someone like Franklin Graham.


38 posted on 07/10/2014 5:47:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: miss marmelstein; PastorBooks
My, my...now look at who is being nasty...

Mat_7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

39 posted on 07/10/2014 5:49:28 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: vladimir998
"None at all. If you’re baptized, we have the same Father whom we can call on as Abba!"

I am baptized, yes. And you're right. What a blessed reason to rejoice.

40 posted on 07/10/2014 5:52:01 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: HarleyD

The uncomfortable truth is that even believers are not entirely square with Christ in the way they live in this world.

Other than elucidating a very sharp line between believer and unbeliever, which is based upon an atomic action, not upon some average of conduct, we believers have no business being occupied with who is a worse enemy of Christ. Because we might find ourselves doing something dastardly and bastardly too.


41 posted on 07/10/2014 5:54:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Check out the plank in your eye with the name calling.


42 posted on 07/10/2014 5:58:12 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: Repeat Offender

She’s saying she doesn’t care for weak, wimpy anything-goes Christians, as I read it.

Jesus said something similar. He wished that Laodicea was hot or cold. It wasn’t either one. It was lukewarm and it was about to get the divine barf treatment.

Better to be wrong, but to be wrong because you really care about God, than to be a mush.


43 posted on 07/10/2014 6:02:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HarleyD
Mat_7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

Thank you.

44 posted on 07/10/2014 6:03:11 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“How about hijacked by a man or men...”

Well, I suppose man-made sects (all Protestant sects are) can be quite often “hijacked” but what’s the difference if it was already man-made rather than Christ-made?


46 posted on 07/10/2014 6:25:06 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Ever since the church accepted Rome on a silver platter its attitude has had a lot of man made problems.


47 posted on 07/10/2014 6:29:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: vladimir998

Believers are Christ-made one by one.

The church ran into institutional problems when it presumed it could take stewardship of a land of unbelievers.


48 posted on 07/10/2014 6:30:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Some Catholics on here post much worse about Protestants. Some seem to show a lot of hatred.


49 posted on 07/10/2014 7:42:21 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Ever since the church accepted Rome on a silver platter its attitude has had a lot of man made problems.”

Sorry, your comment makes no sense. I have no idea what you mean.


50 posted on 07/10/2014 8:05:36 PM PDT by vladimir998
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