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Obama Administrationís Border-Crisis Plan B: Use the Catholic Church
NRO ^ | July 10, 2014 | Ryan Lovelace

Posted on 07/11/2014 4:42:44 AM PDT by NYer

"In order to avoid future clashes with the citizens of Murrieta, Calif., over attempts to transfer illegal immigrants there, the Obama administration has turned to an unusual bedfellow: the Catholic Church. Deacon Luis Sanchez of the Diocese of San Bernardino tells National Review Online that an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent approached the diocese on July 2, 2014, and “expressed his desire for the Church to help in helping these families reach their destination.” Since that time, he says, diocesan officials have spoken on the phone with ICE, and they held a planning meeting on Monday.

John Andrews, the diocese’s director of communications who attended the planning meeting, tells NRO that the idea is to set up “transitional centers” where volunteers and representatives from Catholic Charities would provide food, medical, and spiritual care for families who have been processed at a Border Patrol station. He says he hopes to help the people pushed out of Murrieta, and would need to accommodate 140 people arriving every three days. Andrews says he expects the centers will house mostly mothers and their children for one or two days. But if there’s a situation where a family needs to stay longer than a day or two, he says that placing illegal immigrants with a local family would represent a “very viable option.”#ad#

Andrews says several of the parishes within the diocese might be used as part of the plan, but he would not provide details about the locations he disclosed at Monday’s planning meeting. He has withheld such details, he says, because he does not want to invite the “type of folks who gathered in Murrieta to protest” to disrupt their plans. “They [the Murrieta protesters] don’t see the immigrant in the same way we do, which is as a human being that’s created in God’s image with dignity, just like everyone else,” he says.

Some Church officials appear to take the view that the “type of folks who gathered in Murrieta” must be seen differently from the immigrants. In her blog, Sister Mary Ann Walsh, director of media relations for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said that images of the Murrieta protesters recalled the “fire hoses and snarling police dogs in Birmingham, Alabama, used against African-American students protesting racial segregation.” The images also reminded her of a picture of a “little girl in North Vietnam running terrified and naked with burning skin after South Vietnamese planes accidently dropped napalm on Trang Bang” in 1972. Walsh referred derisively to the “mob in Murrieta,” and wrote that she awaits a “moral conscience moment” similar to what occurred with the passage of civil-rights legislation 50 years ago and the moment when the U.S. pulled out of Vietnam.

Parishioners in San Bernardino do not uniformly share Walsh’s view of illegal immigrants flooding into their community, however. One couple who attended the planning meeting called into Rush Limbaugh’s radio show to offer an alternative position. Eddie, a caller identifying himself as a retired doctor, said he’s concerned about the spread of illnesses that might result from the plan put together by the Obama administration and the Catholic Church. “We’ve got FEMA facilities that can provide medical care, housing, nutrition and clothing, safety and transportation, and stabilize the situation so that these people can be reintegrated or be dealt with,” Eddie said. “But to put us and subject us to health-care problems, risk, whatever you want to call it, seems to be an incompetence on behalf of the government when they themselves, these different agencies are not talking to each other.”

It may come as a surprise that government officials are collaborating with the Catholic Church, given recent conflict between the two. The Little Sisters of the Poor faced hefty fines when they challenged the Obamacare contraception mandate. While the Obama administration objects to the kind of health care the Little Sisters would like to provide their employees, it is working on a plan with the Diocese of San Bernardino to allow Catholic Church officials to provide medical attention to illegal immigrants, according to Andrews. And though Massachusetts state government officials have shuttered Catholic Charities’ adoption service, churchgoers in California may soon be permitted by federal government officials to house entire families in their homes.

The Los Angeles ICE office did not return requests for comment about the plan, and Sanchez and Andrews would not disclose the name of the ICE official who has worked with the diocese. But if the plan described by Andrews comes through, the Obama administration may begin using the Catholic Church to shepherd immigrants all over the country.


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Here is the TRANSCRIPT of the CA couple who called in to Rush's show with details on the arrangement between the Obama Admin and the Catholic Church.
1 posted on 07/11/2014 4:42:44 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
Yet, the Obama Admin has not responded to Evangelical offers of assistance.

Although Baptist leaders have worked with the Obama administration for weeks, they've not received any clear guidance as to what role churches will be able to play in ministering to the unaccompanied children.

'Army of Christians' Ready to Help Migrant Children

2 posted on 07/11/2014 4:43:12 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: All
And still more ...

Feds: Pastors Not Welcome at Immigration Camps

3 posted on 07/11/2014 4:48:45 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Odumbo created the crisis and now shifts the burden of supporting all those kids to the church, one of the churches he despises? The Muzzie PIG!.


4 posted on 07/11/2014 4:50:52 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: NYer

Can’t we just give these invaders Canada and be done with this mess?


5 posted on 07/11/2014 4:55:48 AM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: NYer

The Catholic Church is a lot of things.

One of those things is that it’s a big bureaucracy. The first thing bureaucracy must do before anything else is ensure it is perpetuated.

The Catholic Church thinks that these kids will be good Catholics and help perpetuate it and thus the bureaucracy.

So Obama and the Catholic Church are natural allies in this.

They are both acting against America in this as well.

Both Democrats and Catholics will suffer the political consequences.


6 posted on 07/11/2014 4:57:00 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: DaveA37
Odumbo created the crisis and now shifts the burden of supporting all those kids to the church, one of the churches he despises?

Yes. But, Christians must do their Christian duty, despite that, despite the cynical behavior of the fedgov and the mush headedness of the Bishops.

7 posted on 07/11/2014 5:02:14 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: NYer

“They [the Murrieta protesters] don’t see the immigrant in the same way we do, which is as a human being that’s created in God’s image with dignity, just like everyone else,” he says.”

That is a slur you son of a bitch and one hurled in assistance of an attack on the Law of the greatest nation ever to rise in History, The United States of America.


8 posted on 07/11/2014 5:07:32 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: NYer
Several reactions:

1. Well it is California.

2. Oh for crying out loud!.

3. Well at least tax payers won't be paying for them.

4. It is the right thing to do.

5. For a guy who has no stones, he has a lot of stones.

6. Thanks San Bernadino, now the Church will be drug through the mud for days on Free Republic.

7. Well the Church does have the resources and know how to get this done.

This is the flow of thoughts currently running through my head.

9 posted on 07/11/2014 5:18:10 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: DaveA37

Look at what is happening with his black base - they support him even though he has done NOTHING to raise the black families out of violence and poverty and smirks as they blindly support his 3% blackness.

He throws them a ‘shout out’ and they swoon. The Catholic Church will do the very same.

This, the man who hates the CC with the fury of a thousand drag queens who have been denied admittance to the ladies’ restrooms.


10 posted on 07/11/2014 5:23:25 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: RFEngineer
The Catholic Church thinks that these kids will be good Catholics and help perpetuate it and thus the bureaucracy.

You have bought into some nonsensical screed. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Throughout its history, the Catholic Church has ministered to the downtrodden. During WWII, catholics housed Jews, providing them with false documents like baptismal certificates. This was corroborated by a Jewish co worker whose family hid her in a convent. She described the loving care she received from the nuns who also ensured she received education in her Jewish faith. At no time did anyone ever suggest she convert.

Not far from me is a home run by the Little Sisters of the Poor. They provide living arrangements for the poorest of the poor, regardless of their faith.

11 posted on 07/11/2014 5:32:33 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

The immigrants are Catholic, and therefore their families, Latino and Catholic, will vote democrat?

“Polls released before the 2008 election demonstrated America’s Christian voters are no longer synonymous with the political right: a George Barna survey showed born-again Christians evenly split between John McCain and Barack Obama, and a Public Religion Research study found that even among white Evangelicals, touchstone issues like abortion and same-sex marriage weren’t in their top five voting considerations.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/09/111154/#tVEy9oMxsvwy6Zf5.99


12 posted on 07/11/2014 5:36:07 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: defconw
This is the flow of thoughts currently running through my head.

It's a conundrum. A similar scenario is playing out in the Middle East where christian refugees are flooding Lebanon. Like us, they lack the resources to handle the tremendous influx. And, like here, there are criminals in the mix. However, in the Middle East, it is the Catholic Church that has stepped forward to provide assistance through Aid to the Church in Need.

13 posted on 07/11/2014 5:42:06 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: don-o

And when the “Christian’s” balk at having to support those thousands, odoumbo can claim them as hypocrites. Plan C!


14 posted on 07/11/2014 5:48:53 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: NYer
Some people just don't get it. If the regime decides these people are going to stay then at least someone is willing to step up to the plate. The government can't do it. They just sent 14,000 draft notices to men who were born between 1893-1897 We have the resources, people and hospitals to at least make them healthy.

Despite what many of you think you know. The Catholic Church educates a ton of kids in inner cities that are not Catholic. A lot of these parish schools have more kids who not Catholic in them then are Catholic. Catholic hospitals serve all, rich and poor. Catholic or not no strings attached.

Also btw in many of the past humanitarian crisis that have occurred the Catholic Church has worked with many other religious organizations to help people of all faiths. The St. Vincent DePaul society and every parish has a committee, will help anyone who can demonstrate need. Anyone! Pretty tired of the bashing and snide remarks.

15 posted on 07/11/2014 5:51:09 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: NYer
I remember in the 70's and 80's when Lebanon was in civil war, my dad sponsored a man for citizenship. He was a Christian that fled.

Of course I would prefer that people do as Bert did and come legally. But that horse is already out of the barn. Now we must deal with this and if the Church can take some of the burden off the taxpayers they should be thanking us instead of bashing us.

People get on here and bash the Church and the Vatican for the money we have. What the Hell do they think we do with all that money? When Katrina hit my parish literally had a truck load of water, blankets, diapers, clothes etc. headed for NOLA the day before the levies failed. Who do they think paid for that? Who do they think pays for low income kids to go to parish schools thereby alleviating the public schools of the burden to educate those kids, plus in states with school levies, we still pay for the public schools that we do not use.

As you can see I am fed up and Father and I will have a lot to talk about come Saturday!

16 posted on 07/11/2014 5:59:53 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: DaveA37
Odumbo created the crisis and now shifts the burden of supporting all those kids to the church, one of the churches he despises? The Muzzie PIG!.

He does that so if there are any problems he can then blame the Catholic Church for ITS failure.
He's a master at blame-shift. That keeps him of having the "buck" stopping at his desk. He's a COWARD, bully and a "great do-nothing mystifier." That was my husband's name for politicians like him.

17 posted on 07/11/2014 6:04:40 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer
Cynics regard the Catholic Church as the world's preeminent social services provider.
18 posted on 07/11/2014 6:05:41 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: defconw
Some people just don't get it. If the regime decides these people are going to stay then at least someone is willing to step up to the plate. The government can't do it. They just sent 14,000 draft notices to men who were born between 1893-1897 We have the resources, people and hospitals to at least make them healthy.
Despite what many of you think you know. The Catholic Church educates a ton of kids in inner cities that are not Catholic. A lot of these parish schools have more kids who not Catholic in them then are Catholic. Catholic hospitals serve all, rich and poor. Catholic or not no strings attached.
Also btw in many of the past humanitarian crisis that have occurred the Catholic Church has worked with many other religious organizations to help people of all faiths. The St. Vincent DePaul society and every parish has a committee, will help anyone who can demonstrate need. Anyone! Pretty tired of the bashing and snide remarks.

All that you said is true. The Catholic Church has been around almost 2000 years and KNOW how to take care of ALL of God's creations. They've been doing it a LOT longer than the pimp we have as a president.

The Catholic Church's CATHOLIC CHARITIES is so good, thorough, efficient and honest that the USA gives out its foreign aid VIA the Catholic Charities. Of course, Israel gets 50% of our foreign aid to fight its fight against the terrorists over there.

As O'Reilly said, Obama is in the running to be one of the five WORST presidents this country has ever had.

19 posted on 07/11/2014 6:10:03 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

**The Catholic Church will do the very same.**

What?

swoon,
smirk,
support,

OR encounter the injured children by the side of the road as the Good Samaritan did?


20 posted on 07/11/2014 6:10:25 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Cowgirl, you have a way with words.


21 posted on 07/11/2014 6:11:05 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: cloudmountain

Just as an anecdote, my mother is in a Polish Catholic nursing home and it’s great. The nuns are cheerful and patient - and it takes a lot of patience to work in these places. Two thumbs up for Catholic workers!

Of course, I believe all of the people coming over the border must be returned home.


22 posted on 07/11/2014 6:14:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: don-o
Christians must do their Christian duty

Precisely the response obama is hoping to get from the church and and country he is committed to destroying. He knows he can't do that without the complicity of the ones who he wants to bring down.

23 posted on 07/11/2014 6:15:49 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: miss marmelstein
1. Just as an anecdote, my mother is in a Polish Catholic nursing home and it’s great. The nuns are cheerful and patient - and it takes a lot of patience to work in these places. Two thumbs up for Catholic workers!
2. Of course, I believe all of the people coming over the border must be returned home.

1. Being a nun is a calling, not just a job. God bless them for their charity. Taking care of the elderly is one of the most trying jobs there is, I imagine.

2. Yes, they MUST. Pressure HAS to be brought to bear on their respective governments. It HAS to be but our President doesn't have the cajones to do that. Mrs. O has his in her purse.

24 posted on 07/11/2014 6:17:40 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
The Catholic Church will not swoon. It's split down the middle just like the country. This has absolutely Zero to with Obama. It is a Christian duty to help whether you are asked by the poser or someone else.
25 posted on 07/11/2014 6:26:12 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Salvation
Catholic Charities will do what they always do: take care of the down and out. They've been doing it a LONG, long, long time. It was an imperative of Jesus'. You know that. :o)

Archbishop Levada was OUR Archbishop for some years! Wonderful man and priest.

FROM THE INTERNET: http://www.catholiccharitiesoregon.org/about_us_history.asp

Catholic charity in Oregon dates back to the first orphanage founded in 1838 by Father Francis Blanchet and the Sisters of Notre Dame du Namours. This partnership began a legacy of serving Oregon's poor and vulnerable, beginning with Oregon's youngest residents. In 1913, Oregon child labor laws were enacted as a result of the investigative work of Father Edwin O'Hara, teamed with other community leaders. This led to the establishment of the Catholic Children's Bureau in 1917. In 1932, Father Lucien Lauerman evaluated Catholic social welfare work in the Archdiocese of Portland and presented his report to a group assembled by Archbishop Edward Howard on September 12, 1933. The result was the establishment of the first Catholic Charities office, where Father Lauerman employed four staff members who represented Catholic social service institutions in all court cases and acted as case managers for children.

Over the years, Catholic Charities has sought to respond to the ever emerging needs of the poor and vulnerable throughout western Oregon consistent with the call of Jesus and the teachings of the Church. Subsequently, several initiatives have followed in steady succession to meet these needs.

1938
Catholic Community Services of Salem was established to advocate for children in foster care.

1945
Catholic Charities become involved in the reception and resettlement of refugees after the end of World War II. Subsequently, Catholic Charities has aided refugees all different parts of the world.

1946
Catholic Charities founded the Catholic Youth Organization sports program.

1952
Catholic Charities of Lane County was established, and later renamed Catholic Community Services of Lane County in 1984.

1952
Camp Howard, a 160 acre wooded campsite, is founded near Sandy to conduct summer sports and camp programs for grade school and junior high children.

1954
Catholic Family Services and Catholic Services for Children were formed, and later combined into Catholic Community Services of Portland in 1989.

1987
Archbishop William Levada commissioned a study to evaluate Catholic social services within the Archdiocese.

1989
Archbishop Levada and a newly appointed Board of Directors established a restructured Archdiocesan Catholic Charities organization with Dennis B. Keenan, MSW, as its Executive Director. This office, while supporting parish outreach activities, also conducted needs assessment and program planning efforts, and provided leadership to member agencies in the areas of fiscal and personnel management, fundraising, public relations and accreditation.

1990
Catholic Community Services of Southern Oregon was established to respond to the needs of families hard hit by the downturn in the timber industry and influx of immigrant workers. It was renamed Catholic Charities of Southern Oregon in 2006.

1991
Catholic Charities initiated Ministry to the Elderly to support parish-based services for the elderly.

1994
Catholic Community Services of Portland merged with Catholic Charities.

1994
Project Rachel was initiated in an effort to provide emotional and spiritual healing to persons previously involved in abortions.

1996
Immigration Legal Services program was established, with a branch office in Medford opened in 1999.

1999
Catholic Charities Caritas Housing Initiatives completes its first low-income housing project.

2006
Following in the tradition of serving homeless women and children, Catholic Charities opens its Housing Transitions Program.

The first record of Catholic Charities service statistics shows Catholic Charities served 1,323 individuals in 1952. By 2000, that number had risen to over 100,000 annually. Today, Catholic Charities operates 25 programs, has four Member Agencies and 20 grantee agencies serving people of all ages, races and beliefs.

26 posted on 07/11/2014 6:27:49 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: defconw

“Some people just don’t get it.”

You are right. I don’t get it. The Catholic Church has an overwhelming presence in Central America.

Why aren’t they addressing the suffering there instead of at the end of a harsh 1,000 mile journey in which so many die.

Could it be because the Church is being used as a tool by the Dark Lords of DC to destroy the last bastion of Christian liberty in the world.

The term Lenin used was “useful idiots”.

Nah. That couldn’t be it.

You must be right. I just don’t get it.


27 posted on 07/11/2014 6:28:39 AM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: NYer; RFEngineer

Your statement doesn’t negate RFEngineer’s “nonsensical screed”. In fact it seems that your statement even supports the idea of just bring in and housing illegals under the doors of the Catholic Church. The Vatican has been very supportive of illegal immigration. Sorry but RFEngineer is right.

Catholics can remember that when they dance with the devil they’re going to get burned.


28 posted on 07/11/2014 6:35:13 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: glennaro
Precisely the response obama is hoping to get from the church and and country he is committed to destroying. He knows he can't do that without the complicity of the ones who he wants to bring down.

com·plic·i·ty
kəmˈplisitē/
noun
noun: complicity

the state of being involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.

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Some precision of thought is required. Performing the Corporal Works of Mercy is not contingent; nor is it wrongdoing.

Let's stay clear on who the real bad actors are in this situation.

29 posted on 07/11/2014 6:35:23 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: NYer

Of course not.

The Catholic Church is, for the most part, a Liberal organization. Evangelical Protestant churches tend to be Conservative.

Obama can’t afford the risk of bringing all of these future voters here, then putting them into contact with people who could, through word and deed, convince them to vote the wrong way.


30 posted on 07/11/2014 6:36:03 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: cloudmountain

My use of the word “workers” was to send a shout out to everyone who works in these nursing homes - nurses, nurses aides, cooks, bottle washers, etc. I’ve never met a more kind group of people. If only they would stop playing those polka cd’s...


31 posted on 07/11/2014 6:38:33 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Lowell1775
Are you kidding me? The Church does a lot in Central America. I know a lot of American Sisters (Nuns are cloistered), that go to Central America to work. I know a several Catholic doctors from Indiana, who participate in Doctors Without Borders, they fly themselves at their own expense down monthly to treat these people.

Unlike many people they did not miss the lesson about doing charity in the dark so as not to call attention to yourself. The Sisters in South America and in fact all over the world do a whole lot without much resources.

The only ones we hear about in the US is the malcontents who never had a true vocation, they just needed something to do. The malcontents I have known of fall into categories. There are the fat and ugly ones who went into the convent because they had no marriage prospects back when women stayed home until they married. Or they were women who back in the 60's and 70's went into the convent convinced that Vat II would allow them to be priests. Then there are the ones who like to say how independent they are, but they lack the courage to go into the world as a single woman.

You do not have any idea what the other 98% of religious sisters do. You just think you do. I know!

32 posted on 07/11/2014 6:39:16 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: HarleyD; RFEngineer
your statement even supports the idea of just bring in and housing illegals

Bring in? Please source that statement.

33 posted on 07/11/2014 7:18:01 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

“Throughout its history, the Catholic Church has ministered to the downtrodden”

I find it very hard to believe that the Catholic Church would support children leaving their parents and making a trek to a foreign land.

The Catholic Church is very strong in the “source” countries for these illegal immigrants. They could, if they wanted, minister to and support these children in their host countries.

This has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with politics and bureaucracy expansion. It has to do with power and control.

In this case Obama and the Catholic bureaucracy are allies. Both want to bring America down a peg or two or ten.

It’s wrong, and I suspect most faithful American Catholics agree with me.


34 posted on 07/11/2014 7:25:53 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: NYer; RFEngineer
Bring in? Please source that statement.

From your article:

There is no discussion of sending these people back. Rather the Catholic Church is facilitating bring these people into the United States.

The Catholic Church is part and parcel to bring these illegals in.

35 posted on 07/11/2014 7:32:08 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: don-o
It's like talking to the deaf. But it's ok. because just like the idiots that claim to be Catholics and continue to take the Eucharist, they are just bringing wrath upon themselves. We are blamed for all the worlds evils. Just ask everyone not Catholic on this forum. They would prefer that these kids go home, I would as well. I am very concerned about this situation.

But the allegedly pro-life conservatives who are not Catholic, would rather these kids die then take up any space in their precious universe, because they are poor and illegal. Most of these illegals probably don't have a clue what they are doing here. They are being used. So by all means we should just get in line and mistreat them. Then the headline will be "Catholics Turn Backs on Hispanics". Don't care! We can't win that one!

You know I am tired of this. Lets go spiritual, shall we. Today's first reading. "for in you the orphan finds compassion.” I will heal their defection, says the LORD, I will love them freely; for my wrath is turned away from them. "

For the literalistic that will pounce.

Orphan: one deprived of some protection or advantage.

Today's Gospel:Jesus said to his Apostles: “Behold, I am sending you like sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and simple as doves. But beware of men, for they will hand you over to courts and scourge you in their synagogues, and you will be led before governors and kings for my sake as a witness before them and the pagans. When they hand you over, do not worry about how you are to speak or what you are to say. You will be given at that moment what you are to say. For it will not be you who speak but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you. Brother will hand over brother to death, and the father his child; children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.”

Don-o, it very well may be that God is giving us a means to redemption. This country has and continues to go off the rails. Even though we don't support abortion, infanticide, eugenics etc. a large part of our country does.

I am reminded of the story from the Old Testament, where God promised not to destroy the city if there were even one righteous man in it.

I don't claim to be righteous but we owe it to God to try.

I would have preferred that these kids stayed home with their families, but they didn't. They are here. They are human beings, they are sick and hurt and frightened. Instead of gratitude that the Catholic Church is willing to step up and try to get at least some of this burden off the citizens and tax payers all they get is grief. Accusations of ulterior motives, suspicions, complicity. I would love to have a conversation with some of their pastors.

36 posted on 07/11/2014 8:04:09 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw; Mrs. Don-o
I read a book years ago. It was helpful in sorting out my thinking as far as understanding the secular world view.

IDOLS FOR DESTRUCTION

Link goes to some notes and quotes from it.

While I would not agree today with everything he says, his major premise is Our argument, then, is that idolatry and its associated concepts provide a better framework for us to understand our own society than do any of the alternatives."

Perhaps keeping that in mind will help in understanding where some folks' bewildering comments originate. My Missus has taught me that is a worthwhile thing to try to do.

37 posted on 07/11/2014 9:10:43 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Re: Obama and the Catholic Church:

"This, the man who hates the CC with the fury of a thousand drag queens who have been denied admittance to the ladies’ restrooms."

Awesome. I'm stealin' that.

38 posted on 07/11/2014 9:52:29 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: don-o
Thank You. I'm a little late getting back to you. Darn work is always messing up my FReeping.
39 posted on 07/11/2014 9:53:58 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw; don-o
Hey defconw, I think you're expressing what a lot of us are thinking, and I just wanted to volley this one back at'cha. It's what I wrote to Bishop Gerald Barnes, the Bishop of the Diocese of San Bernardino:

http://www.sbdiocese.org/contact.cfm

"Dear Bishop Gerald Barnes,

I understand that the Spiritual and Corporal Works of Mercy are not optional. The love of Christ impels us to help the needy.

However, Mercy does not impel us to become accessories in crimes, not to be exploited by the coercive power of a lawless State.

The resettlement of tens or hundreds of thousands of Central American people here is a crime, since both they (perhaps unwillingly, in the case of children) and the present Administration are breaking the reasonable laws of the United States regarding just, lawful and humane immigration.

This is being done in a manner totally opposed to the Common Good. And the present Administration is using this for partisan political purposes which are at odds with the Rule of Law in our country, and our citizens' well-being. It amounts enabling to one of the biggest, most immoral human trafficking schemes in the history of the United States.

I believe we must fed the hungry when we see them, clothe the naked, and shelter the homeless.

I urge you to tell the authorities of the state that you will house and help these unfortunate Central American young people, only pending the reunification of their families VIA THEIR REPATRIATION TO THEIR COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN.

Sincerely,

(Name)

Diocesan Pastoral Center...This is the main administrative office building for the Diocese of San Bernardino, established in 1995 with the consolidation of several external locations.

Pastoral Center

The Pastoral Center
1201 E Highland Ave
San Bernardino, Ca 92404
Phone: (909) 475-5300
Fax: (909) 475-5155
E-mail: info@sbdiocese.org

General Office Hours:

Monday-Friday: 8:30am - 4:30pm
Closed 1st and 3rd Friday of the month
Monday-Friday: 8:00am - 5:00pm those weeks

40 posted on 07/11/2014 10:15:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I read yesterday of two Honduran teens coming to Atlanta to reunite with their parents, who were said to be here legally. If that is accurate (and that is a BIG if), I wonder how much of that there is.

I have no idea whether a foreign national can obtain legal status while abandoning their children.


41 posted on 07/11/2014 10:24:34 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Now that is how to complain effectively. Good letter. I hope you know I am only in favor of helping them here until we can get them back to their own countries. I am not in favor of allowing them to stay. I just get sick of the Church getting beat up over everything.


42 posted on 07/11/2014 10:38:23 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: NYer

“elimination of global underdevelopment is the antidote to illegal immigration” Pope John Paul II 1995


43 posted on 07/11/2014 10:51:41 AM PDT by wordsofearnest (Proper aim of giving is to put the recipient in a state where he no longer needs it. C.S. Lewis)
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To: defconw

Yes, I got that. I appreciate your stance.


44 posted on 07/11/2014 11:10:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; defconw; don-o
Excellent letter.

I urge you to tell the authorities of the state that you will house and help these unfortunate Central American young people, only pending the reunification of their families VIA THEIR REPATRIATION TO THEIR COUNTRIES OF ORIGIN.

As I understand it, many of these children are being united with "families" here in the US. Presumably, some of these families are also illegal aliens. Are you also proposing that all members be identified and repatriated to their country of origin?

45 posted on 07/11/2014 11:55:46 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: miss marmelstein
My use of the word “workers” was to send a shout out to everyone who works in these nursing homes - nurses, nurses aides, cooks, bottle washers, etc. I’ve never met a more kind group of people. If only they would stop playing those polka cd’s...

Lol. I KNOW what you mean.

AnnnaONETWOTHREE!!

46 posted on 07/11/2014 12:01:07 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer
Well, that would reunite them with their abandoned abuelitos back in their old pueblos well. If we can afford to send them to Jersey and Michigan, we can send them to Jalisco and Michoacan.

So, Yes. In a swift, efficient and kindly manner.

47 posted on 07/11/2014 1:05:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: NYer

Yes that is a sticky wicket! I am deep disturbed that they are keeping these people under wraps. Apparently this has been going on for a while.


48 posted on 07/11/2014 1:21:15 PM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: don-o
Some precision of thought is required. Performing the Corporal Works of Mercy is not contingent; nor is it wrongdoing. ... Let's stay clear on who "the real bad actors" are in this situation.

Make no mistake my friend -- My thinking is quite precise and I am very clear on who the real bad actors are in this crisis.

You missed my point -- That being that I see this as an attempt by the "bad actors" -- I prefer "evil-doers" -- to use you and the Catholic Church's "Corporal Works of Mercy" to advance their mission to destroy our Judeo-Christian values and heritage on which this country was founded by opening our borders.

The Left's tactic of advancing their political agenda by wrapping it in a humanitarian cloak (which makes those who want to preserve our sovereignty by controlling our borders look "mean" or "uncaring" at best), then appealing to religious people and institutions to join them -- as religious tenets compel -- is sheer brilliance (though truly evil in its contemptible use of people of faith who the Left holds in disdain).

There is no question we must treat these people humanely -- illegal though their actions may be -- and we must show compassion for their plight. But that compassion must be on a personal level, not on a societal or "group" level or we'll lose our country.

You must remember this crisis is -- at its core -- a political tactic. The Left cares little about religious people and even less about the church, and it makes me angry that good people like yourself cannot see beyond the humanitarian imperative. Provide food, temporary shelter and any necessary medical care to these people then, after explaining why they cannot stay here, put them on a comfortable bus and send them back to where they came from.

As to others on this forum who would rather attack those who disagree with them than to acknowledge the counterpoint (e.g., defconw: It's like talking to the deaf. But it's ok. because just like the idiots that claim to be Catholics and continue to take the Eucharist, they are just bringing wrath upon themselves.) I say this: You should show a little compassion toward those who see beyond the humanitarian crisis and you should at the very least acknowledge that history shows that good works, no matter how well intended they may be, can produce an even greater tragedy. Instead, you profess to somehow know that those who take issue with you will bring "wrath upon themselves".

49 posted on 07/11/2014 1:38:47 PM PDT by glennaro
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To: huldah1776

Nonsense, Evangelicals are the best voters in the land, and even the all encompassing “Protestant” vote always goes anti-democrat, yet the Catholic denomination does and always has with very few exceptions, voted democrat.

And we all know that the left counts on importing more Catholic voters, it is why they passed JFK’s 1965 Immigration bill.

The Catholic immigrants will vote democrat.


50 posted on 07/11/2014 1:57:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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