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Pope Francis “Doesn’t Want to Convert Evangelicals”?
Patheos ^ | 7/11/14 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 07/11/2014 7:14:59 PM PDT by marshmallow

After meeting with a group of Pentecostal Evangelicals Pope Francis reportedly wants to preach in a Protestant church in Rome. This article reports on the meeting held in Rome with Pope Francis and TV Evangelist Kenneth Copeland and other Evangelical leaders including theologian Brian Stiller and Anglican bishop Tony Palmer.

The Pope wants to go to the Evangelical church and apologize for all the times Catholics have been nasty to Protestants. That is, of course, very wonderful and we will be waiting not only for them to graciously accept the apology, but to offer their own in return. I’m reminded of the time Pope John Paul II on Ash Wednesday of the Jubilee Year led a service of public penitence for sins committed by Catholics against lots of people…including Protestant Christians.

This loving and humble gesture was met with silence by Protestants and not a peep from any Protestant leaders that I remember with a similar apology in return.

Stiller says Pope Francis is interested in dialogue with Evangelicals, but he doesn’t want to convert them.

Francis has also shown a great openness to evangelicals. According to his understanding of evangelism asked the Pope replied that he was not interested in converting evangelicals to Catholicism. He wished that people find Jesus in their own community.Instead of a lot of time to spend with the debate about different schools of thought, one should focus on “love to show Jesus”.

That is Brian Stiller’s memory of the conversation. You can read the first hand account on Brian’s blog here. Does the pope really not want to convert Evangelicals? Is it okay to just “find Jesus in your own denomination?” As usual with Pope Francis, a private conversation has been reported publicly and now it’s open season for everyone to pick it apart........

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1 posted on 07/11/2014 7:14:59 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Good.


2 posted on 07/11/2014 7:22:27 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: marshmallow

What’s to convert? It’s the same God, same Jesus....We need to concentrate on converting the lost and fighting satan, not on converting each other.


3 posted on 07/11/2014 7:33:15 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: marshmallow

Hmmm...try as I may, I can’t think of anything Evangelicals need to apologize for...


4 posted on 07/11/2014 7:38:03 PM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist...)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Didn’t you get the memo? My version Christ is right and yours is wrong. I know because I prayed about it. The End.


5 posted on 07/11/2014 7:38:50 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: marshmallow

I wonder if he thinks they are rapacious wolves?


6 posted on 07/11/2014 7:45:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: marshmallow

Unless one is born again they will not see the kingdom of heaven, Catholic or Protestant alike.


7 posted on 07/11/2014 7:55:06 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

AGREED! There are too many arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Let us join together to defeat the real enemy.


8 posted on 07/11/2014 8:08:02 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: marshmallow

All I know is that I know what both living Popes will be doing this Sunday, 8pm Rome time.


9 posted on 07/11/2014 8:11:44 PM PDT by gusty
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To: marshmallow

Well, he better not come here and say that on some of our threads, if he knows what’s good for him, if you know what I mean!


10 posted on 07/11/2014 8:12:17 PM PDT by jocon307 (These people are (some Polish word) crazy)
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To: informavoracious
AGREED! There are too many arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Let us join together to defeat the real enemy.

Sure. Just as soon as protestants stop calling me a pagan who believes in superstititious hocus pocus. I'm not going to forsake the Eucharist in order to get along with protestants for some nebulous promise of tactical advantage to fight a common enemy. Sorry. Let the Caliphate come.

11 posted on 07/11/2014 8:14:24 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

Let me clue you in, the vast majority of Protestants really do not care what you do or do not do. Anyone who would call you a pagan within earshot is a nut. If you base your thoughts and actions on the opinions of lunatics, you will have a rough road to follow.


12 posted on 07/11/2014 8:19:36 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty
Let me clue you in, the vast majority of Protestants really do not care what you do or do not do.

Of course. For we are all islands unto ourselves. Your truth, my truth. When you think about it the notion of Christian civilization really is anathema to protestant sensibilities of sola .

So I find it interesting when they retreat to the "Can't we all get along meme". You (collectively) want to present a united front to the world filled with angry atheists and angry Muslims and yet their whole outlook begins with a premise of division.

If all protestants were to convert to Catholicism then we can talk about taking on the enemies of atheistic liberalism and islam. Until then, they should save it. Because by dividing the Body of Christ protestants have invited the invasion which will destroy our civilization and I'm personally not all that interested in helping them prop it up.

13 posted on 07/11/2014 8:28:12 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: marshmallow
I think we Evangelicals can learn humility from the Pope. I appreciate his desire to apologize to Evangelicals. But we also owe Catholicism some apologies. I can never believe that membership in a church or some physical thing I am required to do will save me. Only the shedding of Jesus' blood and Hus Resurrection and my Holy Spirit-enabled confession of these facts as a statement of faith can do that.

But I remember that four U.S. Navy Chaplains, Methodist minister the Reverend George L. Fox, Reform-Rabbi Alexander D. Goode (Ph.D.), Roman Catholic priest the Reverend John P. Washington, and Reformed Church in America minister the Reverend Clark V. Poling, all gave away their life jackets to U.S. Army personnel when United States Army Transport Dorchester was torpedoed February 3, 1943 and sank.

The chaplains were last seen praying and singing as the Dorchester went under.

I have my own opinion as to which of those Chaplains went to be with the Lord, but their selfless dedication and action set an example that many Evangelicals and Catholics, many of us, have not followed.

And I believe the Pope's desire to try to make things better between groups, is a hallmark of integrity and faithful service.

God bless him.
14 posted on 07/11/2014 9:17:21 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: JPX2011
"Your church is the Whore of Babylon and I expect an apology from you. Good day."

15 posted on 07/11/2014 9:22:06 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: righttackle44

Thanks for your post.


16 posted on 07/11/2014 9:32:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow

The Pope wants to hang out with Kenneth Copeland. I’m not so sure the Pope is in touch with a higher power if he can’t see through that fraud.


18 posted on 07/11/2014 9:47:18 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

The pope trusts in Jesus. He wants ALL of us to, completely. Jesus will guide you closer to Him(Jesus) if you are open to it and become passionate about getting closer to Him by bringing His Joy from within you to all those you meet in person.

He wants to encourage that everywhere. Catholics, evangelicals. Their ever-deeper ferver and outward witnessing of Christ is what God desires. That would make a ‘perfect’ Catholic. Evangelicals would say a ‘perfect’ evangelical. Jesus would say His one holy catholic church.

Allow a man the chance to get closer and closer to Christ - don’t knock him back because he’s currently following this path or that, or seeing this denomination as the truest path to Jesus - encourage him to love Jesus more every day and go out and witness for Him with joy.

YOU and I need to trust in Jesus too - not try to convert people but to love them and bring them the joy of Christ in a person to person way. The one holy catholic Church will result for you and many of those people you encounter....in time. Rather than knock another denomination or a CINO (Catholic in name only), befriend them joyfully and Trust in Jesus to do whatever He wants!

The pope converts no one - the Holy Spirit does!!! - Catechism 101! He’s not being limpy loopy, he’s being humble and correctly sees his powerlessness before Jesus’ Church as He knows it.


19 posted on 07/11/2014 11:56:59 PM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: JPX2011

What it all comes down to is as CHRISTIANS of honor our “common baptism” and of the NEED to proclaim the good needs of the Gospel of Jesus to ALL, including the so-called “angry atheists and Muslims” in which the Gospel of Jesus NEEDS to be preached to.


20 posted on 07/12/2014 3:24:48 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

AMEN to that and second it!


21 posted on 07/12/2014 3:25:54 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.

Its all good until you get to communion... then it’s no bread and wine for you.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 4:19:28 AM PDT by pithyinme (Oh great 2 more years of crap to wade through....)
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To: JPX2011

So what say you about this pope who doesn’t want to convert them? How do you explain this pope’s comments?


23 posted on 07/12/2014 4:28:27 AM PDT by piusv
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To: righttackle44; marshmallow; Salvation
Apparently, the pope is taking some heat for saying he doesn't want to convert evangelicals. I suspect that goes back to Benedict declaring us separated Christian communities. We should note the word "Christian".

Part I, Article 9 of the Catechism says:

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth" are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements." Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity." http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/catechism/index.cfm?recnum=3040

My sense is that the Pope is saying that Protestants are already Christians, so no conversion to Christ is necessary. It is NOT conversion to bring someone who already is a Christian to accept your Church instead of their old church. That is a different word than conversion if one is being precise about the theology of evangelism.

My sense is that this applies only to Trinitarians. One proof of it is that those incorporated from other denominations have no need for baptism since they have already been baptized.

24 posted on 07/12/2014 4:30:51 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: piusv
"....for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it."

Pope Pius XI, 1928, Mortalium Animos

“I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.”

- Pope Francis

25 posted on 07/12/2014 4:57:38 AM PDT by piusv
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To: JPX2011

-—Let the Caliphate come.——

Be careful what you wish for...


26 posted on 07/12/2014 5:03:13 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mozarky2
I can’t think of anything Evangelicals need to apologize for...

We need to apologize for not bowing to Rome after these atrocities

15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain.
1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action).
1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. Thousands were actually slain.
1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee.
17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'."
17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers."
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany.

27 posted on 07/12/2014 5:24:17 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: piusv
So what say you about this pope who doesn’t want to convert them? How do you explain this pope’s comments?

I don't. I've said before I'm not an apologist for Pope Francis. My own personal opinion: He's a protestantized moron and his execution of the Petrine ministry sucks. So I await the next conclave.

28 posted on 07/12/2014 5:26:20 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

Praise God,perhaps its even possible that the Pope may be saved!Rev Billy Graham please pick up the white courtesy phone please!


29 posted on 07/12/2014 6:51:59 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: Craftmore

Pretty sure billy graham and most of christendom observes the pope gregory calendar, the pope’s sabbath day and the pope’s holy days of december 25 and easter sunday.

They have much more in common than one thinks..

But, if the first protestants were accurate with their beliefs of the papacy being antichrist, that is an awful lot of ‘in place of ‘ and ‘instead of’ counterfeits to observe and worship..

They just may not have moved far enough away from their mother church or over time, the daughters have come close again to their mother.

The pope gregory calendar wasn’t always the standard. And there was a time december 25 wasnt holy and was considered ‘illegal’ here....

Some back then really did not trust the papacy or the mother church and her teachings and practices.

Today, ecumenism is the phrase that pays..

Unity with ‘counterfeits’ is not unity with Truth.


30 posted on 07/12/2014 8:02:58 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: xzins

I agree with what you are saying here. However, as a Catholic, it frustrates and angers me for Protestants to say my Church is the “whore of Babylon” and that I’m not a Christian.

Just like the poster up thread who says Protestants have nothing to apologize for, the arrogance and hatefulness of some really turns my stomach.


31 posted on 07/12/2014 8:09:18 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

Yes, well, I am a protestant — an ordained Methodist elder — and I do not believe the Catholic Church to be the whore of Babylon. I think all who believe in Jesus are His children. Period.

At this point, I think the beast of Revelation is a world domination system that derived from previous world systems as they were built upon and enhanced by those empires that conquered them. In all those systems a group of spiritualist frauds rode the power of the system to positions of wealth and influence. (We see Nebuchadnezzar hating on those of his day in the book of Daniel.)

In any case, it is a biblical warning about both all powerful governments and those religions that will utilize state power for their own aggrandizement.

That end-time, anti-Christ leader who worships power will hate religion of all type, including the spiritualist, strap-hanging, occult whore of Babylon.


32 posted on 07/12/2014 8:39:17 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: marshmallow

“I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism."

pope-francis-internet-is-a-gift-from-god

Pope Francis, who will soon preach at a Pentecostal church in Rome — and plans to offer them “an apology from my church for the hurt it has brought to their congregation.”

(No word on whether the Penetecostals will apologize for their propagation of heresy.)

In any case, the Vicar of Christ evidently doesn’t want anything to do with that solemn nonsense known as “evangelization.” Again, he tells a non-Catholic he has no intention to try to convert anyone:

It’s fair to ask what kind of Catholic Church we as Evangelicals want to see. At lunch I asked Pope Francis what his heart was for evangelism. He smiled, knowing what was behind my question. His comment was, “I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.”

I’ve talked before about Cardinal Kasper’s dismissal of the “ecumenism of return”. People who question why Kasper is a hand-picked adviser of the pope fail to recognize the congruencies in their theology (or anti-theology, as the case may be.) All one needs to do is refrain from projecting the orthodoxy they desire in a pope on a man who holds the office but has little interest in what it is meant to signify, and the mystery solves itself.

Matthew 7:15-20 comes to mind.

(Source)

33 posted on 07/12/2014 9:02:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: marshmallow
The Hermeneutic Of Cont...Oh I Give Up

Some Papal Quotes that somehow and in some way beyond my meager intellect are in continuity with each other, or something.

First Quote

Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441. ex cathedra (infallibly defined):
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has persevered within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/FLORENCE.HTM#4

Second Quote

“I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. I want people to find Jesus in their own community. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s not spend our time on those. Rather, let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” --Pope Francis 2014

Yeah. Umm. So. Discuss. Or something.

Bonus Quotes for discussion purposes.

Pope PIUS IX, the Holy Office-- THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS CONDEMNED :
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true. --condemned Allocution "Maxima quidem," June 9, 1862; Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851.
16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. --condemned Encyclical "Qui pluribus," Nov. 9, 1846.
17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. -- condemned
Encyclical "Quanto conficiamur," Aug. 10, 1863, etc.

18. Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. --condemned Encyclical "Noscitis," Dec. 8, 1849.
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm


34 posted on 07/12/2014 9:03:26 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: xzins

I know your not Catholic and I appreciate your kindness.


35 posted on 07/12/2014 9:42:32 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Lil Flower

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/hunting-the-whore-of-babylon


36 posted on 07/12/2014 10:43:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: marshmallow
There is one truth, and one truth only. Regarding the plethora of fundamental disagreements between Catholics and Evangelicals, only one side can be right.

Its not enough to say "Lets all love Jesus together and its fine." Not all that cry "Lord Lord" shall enter the kingdom of heaven.

37 posted on 07/12/2014 10:59:25 AM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Salvation

Ridiculous isn’t it


38 posted on 07/12/2014 11:10:45 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
It's not enough to say…

OK, how about this:

39 "Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward."

39 posted on 07/12/2014 11:14:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It; Biggirl
The pope converts no one - the Holy Spirit does!!! - Catechism 101! He’s not being limpy loopy, he’s being humble and correctly sees his powerlessness before Jesus’ Church as He knows it.

Then we don't need a pope, we don't need a Catholic Church, we don't need missionaries. We'll just sit back let the Holy Spirit do His magic, right?

It's been over 2000 years and you think the Holy Spirit still can't get it right?

40 posted on 07/12/2014 3:44:33 PM PDT by ebb tide (And the assembled fathers began to laugh, and then to cheer...)
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To: Popman
17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany.

Not sure why you're putting that on your list; many of the people who were "decimated" were quite Catholic, and many of the people doing the decimating were quite Protestant.

I'm of German heritage, and I (or rather, people related to me) can trace our ancestry back to the 1650's or so ... at which point it abruptly stops. The records were burned; the churches most likely burned with them.

The Thirty Years' war wasn't purely about religion, of course -- the Catholic French and the Protestant Swedes were on the same side -- but it was bad enough for Europe mostly to give up warring over religion.

41 posted on 07/12/2014 4:07:57 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; BlackElk

Yes, this is a similar comparison to what I posted in post #25.

It is these major discrepancies that I speak of when I say this man isn’t just a “bad” pope like the ones we’ve had in the distant past. This man speaks CONTRARY to the Catholic Faith. No pope has EVER spoken contrary to the Catholic Faith even if they were guilty of the most heinous of sins.

With each passing day, it is clear that this man is a Modernist. And a Modernist is not a Catholic. And the Pope must be Catholic.

He gives new meaning to the question: Is the pope Catholic?


42 posted on 07/12/2014 4:19:21 PM PDT by piusv
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To: delchiante

The Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother—Paul, an apostle, to the Galatians...


43 posted on 07/12/2014 5:57:38 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: JPX2011
Many of us await the next conclave. Meanwhile Francis is the one and only pope reigning as we write. There will be plenty of time to evaluate his stewardship and our faithfulness after Francis is gone. Meanwhile, for good or for ill, he is in charge. We are not. We are not Congregationalists calling clergy according to our tastes, offended or not.

As a former Jesuit provincial, one thing Francis is not is a moron. Your vulgar characterization of his exercise of the Petrine ministry is offensive.

45 posted on 07/12/2014 8:05:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: gusty
You must miss the frequent RF debates here, most of which are due to the incessant posting by RCs promoting their elitist one church, then whining when her presumption and their false claims - one of which is that you invoking Jn. 6:53,54 as literal, so that those who deny the "Real Presence" are lost - are challenged and reproved .
46 posted on 07/12/2014 8:06:06 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
The pope converts no one - the Holy Spirit does!!!

That is quite an example of the sophistry RCs will engage in to defend the pope or their church.

47 posted on 07/12/2014 8:11:21 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: xzins
My sense is that the Pope is saying that Protestants are already Christians, so no conversion to Christ is necessary.

But which is obviously not the historical teaching, nor consistent with presumption that all other churches are deficient in grace, though overall evangelicals manifest far more evidence of regeneration than the fruit of Rome.

Moreover, the pope in the beginning evidenced no need to even trying to actually convert atheists.

"Proselytism is solemn nonsense, it makes no sense. We need to get to know each other, listen to each other and improve our knowledge of the world around us." "Each of us has a vision of good and of evil. We have to encourage people to move towards what they think is Good."

"And I repeat it here. Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place."

. The Son of God became incarnate in order to instill the feeling of brotherhood in the souls of men. All are brothers and all children of God. Abba, as he called the Father

Your Holiness, you said that you have no intention of trying to convert me and I do not think you would succeed.

"We cannot know that, but I don't have any such intention."

http://www.repubblica.it/cultura/2013/10/01/news/pope_s_conversation_with_scalfari_english-67643118/?ref=search

Now i am off to bed.

48 posted on 07/12/2014 8:19:31 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: BlackElk
As a former Jesuit provincial, one thing Francis is not is a moron. Your vulgar characterization of his exercise of the Petrine ministry is offensive.

Offensive? Yeah. Sorry about that. mea culpa. But not wrong.

49 posted on 07/12/2014 8:25:21 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: gusty

May the better team win!


50 posted on 07/12/2014 8:27:47 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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