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Posted on 07/14/2014 9:20:18 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
To my Protestant brothers and sisters:
It's time to come back to Mother Church. We want you, we need you, we love you.
I've spent a lot of time in dialogue with activist atheists recently, and the direction we are going is not pretty. We are witnessing a rapid cultural decline into amorality.
Satan seeks the ruin of souls through the destruction of marriage and family, and the quickest route to his goal is the profanation of sex. The truth and meaning of human sexuality is our era's cultural fault line, and unfortunately, Protestant denominations have been tumbling into its widening crevace at an alarming pace.
The first cracks denying the sacred nature of human sexuality began mere decades ago with the first tentative acceptance of contraception by a Christian church (the Anglicans). After 1,900+ years of unbroken Christian teaching on the immorality of contraception (including 400+ years of unbroken Protestant teaching), a moral evil was suddenly declared good. The entirety of Protestantism, although horrified at first, soon followed suit.
"Woe to those who call evil good" -- Isaiah 5:20
Then came other issues -- sterilization, masturbation, abortion, fornication and cohabiting, homosexual activity and homosexual "marriage". One by one, Protestant communities have broken from Christian teaching and sided with the secular culture. Many Protestant communities do not accept all the aforementioned evils as good, of course, and some are making a valiant attempt to fight one or more of them. However, there is no guarantee that those denominations won't eventually accept other sexual sins in the same way they accepted contraception, sterilization and masturbation. A majority vote by church leaders could launch an unsuspecting Protestant from the Spirit of the Gospel right into the spirit of the age -- the Planned Parenthood age.
Look where you are standing. Unless you stand with the Catholic Church, you may already have one foot off the cliff.
How to guarantee that you'll stand firmly on the ground of moral Truth? Come back home to the Catholic Church.
For over two thousand years:
The Catholic Church has never taught that contraception is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that sterilization is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that masturbation is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that abortion is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that fornication is a moral good, and she never will. The Catholic Church has never taught that homosexual activity is a moral good, and she never will.
The moral teachings of the Church have never changed, and they never will.
Human sexuality is transcendent, life-giving and sacred, and the Catholic Church will teach that Truth till the last day.
Dear Protestant, a church with a changing morality is a church built on shifting sand. If you want to build your life and eternity on something solid, build it on the Rock of Peter. Don't be carried about by every wind of social change; come back to the Catholic Church and stand strong with us -- one united Body as Jesus intended.
America may not survive many more generations at the rate we are going, but the Church and her teachings will stand regardless, speaking the same Truths, undisturbed, till the end of time. Believe me, it's a really nice place to be in a storm. Extremely peaceful.
So, come on. You'll like it here, living in peace and joy and certainty. It's your rightful home anyway.
Come back to Holy Mother Church. It really is time.
You should focus you energy telling the Good News to people who haven’t already heard it.
Not all Protestant churches have fallen. I’ll think about returning to the “mother church “ when it starts consistently excommunicating pols like Pelosy.
Leila Miller is a wife and mother of eight children who has a penchant for writing and a passion for teaching the Catholic Faith in simple ways. This suma cum laude Boston College graduate also loves to debate atheists, advocate for special needs orphans, and attempt the matchmaking of young Catholic singles (not necessarily in that order). All of the above is accomplished on her three blogs: Little Catholic Bubble, Orphan Report, and the invite-only Catholic Moms Matchmaking.
“You should focus you energy telling the Good News to people who havent already heard it.”
That’s like saying, “You shouldn’t feed the poor. You need to just preach the gospel.”
We can do both.
Jesus is all I need. I do not need the Traditions of the Catholic Church to get me right with God.
He has already Saved me from my sins and given me the New Birth (Born Again as Jesus said to Nicodemus).
I have no need to come back to the Catholic Church.
“Not all Protestant churches have fallen.”
Something of an oxymoron.
Again, your arrogance is obvious. Your lack of Godly humility is telling.
It's time to come back to Mother Church. We want you, we need you, we love you.
How nice. Maybe some time a Christian can write an article...
To my Catholic brothers and sisters: It's time to come back to the one true Church founded at Pentecost. We want you, we need you, we love you.
Salvation comes with a faith in Christ alone. Put your trust in Jesus, not some organized religion. Then find a Bible based group to study scripture and give praise to God.
“There is probably a majority of Protestant churches that are holding true to the Gospel.”
Actually none of them do. They can’t hold true to the gospel and be Protestant.
Sorry, no worshiping Mary for me.
Sounds like some kind of cult the way they are always going on about “Mother Church” and stuff.
I don’t care about Priests, robes, incense, foreign languages, candles, all that pomp and crap. We don’t human authority, we need to share the good news. Let us not pretend the messengers are less prone to sin or more important than those in the pews.
“Again, your arrogance is obvious.”
The truth is the truth. Whether you think the truth is arrogance is immaterial.
“Your lack of Godly humility is telling.”
Since you are so out of touch with what is true, your judgment can’t be taken seriously in any case.
“As part of a fund-raising campaign commissioned by Pope Leo X to finance the renovation of St Peter’s Basilica in Rome, Johann Tetzel, a Dominican priest, began the selling of indulgences in the German lands.
“Albert of Mainz, the Archbishop of Mainz in Germany, had borrowed heavily to pay for his high church rank and was deeply in debt. He agreed to allow the sale of the indulgences in his territory in exchange for a cut of the proceeds. Luther was apparently not aware of this.
“Even though Luther’s prince, Frederick III, and the prince of the neighboring territory, George, Duke of Saxony, forbade the sale thereof in their respective lands, people in Wittenberg traveled to purchase them. When these people came to confession, they presented their plenary indulgences for which they paid, claiming they no longer had to repent of their sins, since the document promised to forgive all their sins. “
Luther was outraged that they had paid money for what was theirs by right as a free gift from God. He felt compelled to expose the fraud that was being sold to the people. This exposure was to take place in the form of a public scholarly debate at the University of Wittenberg. The Ninety-Five Theses outlined the items to be discussed and issued the challenge to any and all comers.”
Geez, guys - work on your hymnal and we’ll talk about it.
3 or 4 good ones just ain’t enough for us who grew up in the tradition of actually opening our mouths and singing in church.
The Protestant Reformation produced much more than a bunch of squabbling denominations that stood on their heads to create ways of telling the goats from the sheep.(-:
And, on a serious note, pick up a copy of “When Christians Were Jews (That is, Now)” by Wayne-Daniel Berard.
“In case youre not aware, vladimir998 is FRs most virulent Roman Catholic apologist.”
I’m I simply state the truth. if you take that as virulence, so be it.
“Hes all heat and no light.”
I don’t think you have what it takes to be any judge of that to say the least.
“Feel free not to waste energy engaging him; its pearls before swine ...”
But I’m the one who is virulent?
By the way, it is customary here at FR to ping the person you’re talking about. Your post violates that long standing custom. Also, you’re clearly making this personal, while I am not. That too is a violation of that rule.
You mean the Orthodox Church? The one Catholics blew off when they crowned Charlemagne as “Holy Roman Emperor” while there was still a Roman Emperor, who was the titular head of the church, in Constantinople?
Some people seem to worship an Earthly institution rather than Jesus Christ
Hey, “A Mighty Fortress Is Our God” is now in the Catholic music issue (or was at my wedding 10 years ago).
“Sorry, But I hold true to the Gospel every single day.”
No, not if you’re a Protestant. That’s just the truth. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about that.
“Jesus has forgiven me of my sins and “Old things have passed away, all things have become new” as Paul stated in II Corinthians 5:17”
Forgiveness was won for everyone’s sins. That doesn’t mean you’re holding true to the gospel. Those are two separate things. Conflating one with the other is part of the problem Protestants have.
“Sadly, I really don’t think you know what it means to hold true to the Gospel.”
Actually I do know. That’s why I know no Protestant sect teaches the gospel and no Protestant holds to it.
And what is really sad, is that they are missing out on Real Salvation.
A Salvation that would make them happier, here on Earth and secure their eternity, than any adherence to a rote religion.
True...but you don't know or have the truth, so you're still stuck.
Oh, I forgot, Self and Self Alone folks are all, each and every one, inerrant interpreters of Scripture and each and every one their own authority who cannot be overruled or excommunicated by anyone. They're all just excellent examples of solid Protestants.
People who don't believe in excommunication to begin with using that Red Herring is just trash talk by anti-Catholics who recognize no authority other than Self anyway. Pelosi has spelled out what she believes and sounds exactly like the majority of those on FR who say they're Evangelicals so Protestants should be rejoicing over having her accept their views.
“If he can’t be reached, so be it.”
I was reached - by God - that’s why I’m not a Protestant.
“However, the inaccuracies and falsehoods must be rebuked.”
I posted none.
Um... no, thanks. I only pray to Jesus, not his mother and other dead humans.
These articles are so stupid.
A Catholic arguing that they have the genuine Gospel is like a prostitute arguing that she practices safe sex.
The saints are alive in Christ.
“Not all Protestant churches have fallen. Ill think about returning to the mother church when it starts consistently excommunicating pols like Pelosy.”
Don’t forget Biden. I like the Catholic priests that I have met but until the Catholic Church stops aiding the invaders from our southern border I will never consider it. Also there are moves being made to form a one religion world and I believe the Catholic Church is involved.
“Leave the Protestant church to join a church with greater errors..............
What is the Protestant Church? Seriously - what is the definition of ‘the Protestant Church’?
I ask this with a sincere and Christian heart. I have lots of Protestant friends. Many are very good and holy Christians; others, not so much [reminds me of many members of the Catholic Church].
If Protestants could come together with some sort of unity, they would be a more formidable bulwark against the current zeitgeist, the secularization of the culture. I think this article is intending to raise the issue of our lack of unity in Christ.
Catholics need to get serious too. Either we love God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - or we will fail in our goal, that is, ‘winning the prize’ described in Paul’s epistles.
How can the greater ‘Body of Christ resist the evils that are weighing us down, both here in the USA, the Western world, and the non-Christian world when we are so divided? How can God help us if we do not help ourselves and resolve to work together for those values which we all cherish? Looking at the Islamic jihadists, we can see a stark contrast to the Christian world. They are intent on imposing their ghastly religion on all of us.
May God Have Mercy Upon Us.
Your denial is sad. You deny everything responders are saying, but provide no proof. That is the way of the Catholic Church - complete mind control, not the freedom of God’s Truth. You’re an addict who only wants his drug. You have no idea what is in my heart and what kind of relationship I have with the Lord Jesus Christ, yet you feel you can simply deny all by blathering that without your corrupt, heretical church, I’m lost. What utter foolishness!
If I was Catholic, I wouldn't know if I've done enough good works to merit heaven. If I was Catholic, I'd have to accept that I might need to suffer in purgatory to make up for my inadequacy. No thanks.
It is finished!
It’s time for the Catholic church to come back to the original faith of the Apostles!
Who is worshiping Mary?
That's backwards. For those who consider contraception an evil, it is the symptom of moral decay, not the cause of it.
If the moral decay wasn't already happening, contraception would not have gotten a foot hold.
Evil cannot gain a foothold where is it not allowed.
Contraception is an easy thing to hang one's hat on to blame the state of the world, instead of taking personal responsibility for our own contributions to the decadence of this planet.
Blame-shifting is always easier than doing something about it and feels so much better.
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get. But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, God, be merciful to me, a sinner! I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.
The pope kissing the koran. Fits right in with the Catechism of the Catholic church.
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
Not interested in a church that panders and bows to muslims.
She has already excommunicated herself.
quote “The moral teachings of the Church have never changed, and they never will.”
well... accept now capitalism is bad, and socialism is good, according to the new pope!
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