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Megachurch pastor: Denominations that allow gay ‘marriage’ are ‘Satan’s church’
Life Site News ^ | Kirsten Andersen

Posted on 07/16/2014 2:00:44 PM PDT by Morgana

In the wake of the Presbyterian Church (USA)’s recent decision to celebrate same-sex “marriages,” celebrity pastor John MacArthur of “Grace to You” has come out with some strong statements condemning “false churches” that abandon Biblical teachings against homosexual behavior.

“They have no allegiance to the Bible,” MacArthur told The Blaze online news service. “You go back to every one of those seminaries … for a century [they] have been deniers of biblical authority, they have no relationship to scripture, they are the apostate church, they are Satan’s church.”

While it seems clear MacArthur was implying that self-professed Christians who accept gay “marriage” are doing Satan’s work, not necessarily worshiping the devil, it is worth noting that the actual Satanic Temple of America has called same-sex “marriage” one of its “sacraments.”

MacArthur, who is Baptist, believes in the teachings of John Calvin regarding the inerrancy and literal truth of Scripture. The PCUSA also has its roots in Calvinism, but in 1967 the church updated its precepts to distance itself from Calvin and adopted a more flexible view of Biblical truth.

During a 2001 debate over whether the denomination would permit the ordination of openly homosexual pastors, PCUSA officials said, “We acknowledge the role of scriptural authority in the Presbyterian Church, but Presbyterians generally do not believe in biblical inerrancy. Presbyterians do not insist that every detail of chronology or sequence or pre-scientific description in scripture be true in literal form. Our confessions do teach biblical infallibility. Infallibility affirms the entire truthfulness of scripture without depending on every exact detail.”

In his interview with The Blaze, MacArthur lamented the cultural decline of mainstream denominations like the PCUSA, and said their watered-down approach to theology is a major factor in the increasing secularization of America, which he argues was founded on “cultural Christianity.”

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According to MacArthur, the historical “cultural Christianity” of Americans has long been a stabilizing force for society. It didn’t mean that everyone belonged to the same church or worshiped exactly the same way, but it did mean that the culture as a whole had a shared set of values and generally believed they would have to answer to a higher power in the afterlife.

The founding fathers, MacArthur told The Blaze, “knew you couldn’t compel people to goodness” unless the majority of people believed in God. But in our increasingly agnostic society, the very idea of “goodness” is open to debate.


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: gracetoyou; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; johnmacarthur; pcusa; religiousleft

1 posted on 07/16/2014 2:00:44 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

I do not always agree with MacArthur, but here he is absolutely correct.


2 posted on 07/16/2014 2:03:19 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Morgana

not necessarily worshiping the devil


To the author of this article: Actually they do worship the Devil, they may not acknowledge this but it’s Biblically accurate to say that those who aren’t born again by Christ are still under Satan’s power..


3 posted on 07/16/2014 2:04:59 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Morgana

I don’t know the guy or how often he is wrong but this is right on.


4 posted on 07/16/2014 2:05:35 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Morgana

Marriage can only be between man and woman, period. Anything else is a blasphemous construction.


5 posted on 07/16/2014 2:05:36 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Morgana

I’ve always respected John MacArthur. He never shies away from speaking his mind based on his knowledge of the Bible.


6 posted on 07/16/2014 2:11:53 PM PDT by punknpuss
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To: Morgana

PCUSA is also pro Palestinian. So yes, call it “satanic” or “heresy” or “wrong” or whatever you want, but what they are doing can no longer be called Christianity.


7 posted on 07/16/2014 2:13:45 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Morgana
from Ligonier.org ... reflecting RC Sproul's "Ask RC" event last night:

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8 posted on 07/16/2014 2:14:37 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“...not necessarily worshiping the devil”

Which is more of an insult to God’s word: a Satanic congregation that openly worships Lucifer or an institution that claims to be a Christian Church but mocks the many biblical verses on the abomination of homosexuality?

This is not a question I can answer.


9 posted on 07/16/2014 2:15:02 PM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: JSDude1
Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also.

The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' And he said to them, 'An enemy has done this!' The slaves said to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?'

But he said, 'No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"--Matthew 13:24-30

10 posted on 07/16/2014 2:19:10 PM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: GeronL

John MacArthur is the simply the best, most conscientious, Bible teacher I have come across. And he has 40+ years of sermons, on all manner of subjects, on his website. Here is a link to it: www.gty.org


11 posted on 07/16/2014 2:21:09 PM PDT by NH Liberty ("For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus..." [1 Timothy 2:5])
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To: Morgana

Wow, the writer of the article is all over the map.

However, MacAuthur is correct on this one.

You simply CANNOT compromise on sin.


12 posted on 07/16/2014 2:33:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Morgana

Christ will have the final say - I knew you not, you are cast away in the lake of fire. It is sad when entire church denominations are led astray by false teachers and false teachings. The Old Testament has a good story about two cities that did what would be synomous with Sodomy. Sodom and Gomorah. Homosexuality is abomination and a sin. It is not natural for males to be wioth males and females to be with females. Procreation takes place with a man and a woman not a man/man or woman/woman.


13 posted on 07/16/2014 2:33:33 PM PDT by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: Junk Silver

#2, without question.


14 posted on 07/16/2014 2:33:48 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: thorvaldr
PCUSA is also pro Palestinian. So yes, call it “satanic” or “heresy” or “wrong” or whatever you want, but what they are doing can no longer be called Christianity.

If it isn't Christianity, the only other option is satanic.

some denominations and religions are more overtly so, and some less, but the source is the same.

If it's not of God, it's of the enemy.

15 posted on 07/16/2014 2:35:00 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: GeronL

John MacArthur is a good guy...the real deal....and solid in his convictions!


16 posted on 07/16/2014 2:36:50 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Morgana
While I agree with Macarthur on his point about homosexuality in Church, I am very concerned about him overall. He has stated on a few occasions that Christians can receive the "Mark of the Beast" and still be saved?!?!

If he is willing to jettison the Word of God in favor of his systematic theology, is he truly right with God?

If you doubt me, google it...
17 posted on 07/16/2014 3:05:43 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Morgana

I wonder if God believes in “a more flexible view of Biblical truth”? What an insult to God.


18 posted on 07/16/2014 3:10:34 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: Morgana

You don`t have to be a Christian or even know anything about it to know sodomy is wrong, it is against nature.

It shows their hate for God.


19 posted on 07/16/2014 3:14:49 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: fwdude
I do not always agree with MacArthur, but here he is absolutely correct.

I vaguely recall that there was something that I disagreed with him about - but I can't remember what it was. As you said, he is correct on these comments: Denominations that allow and approve of Sodomite 'marriages' (which is an abominable use of the word) are churches that serve Satan.

I remember seeing a clip of him (I believe from Word Pictures - CrossTV) from a Larry King show where he answered the tough question - 'Is Salvation only through Jesus Christ'? People often get squishy on that question when they are surrounded by people of other religions -- as was MacArthur during this interview -- but he stood his ground on the rock and stated clearly what it was - Salvation through Christ alone. As Jesus said, 'I AM the Way, the Truth, and the Life, no man cometh to Father except through me'.
I also remember there was a controversy around 20 years ago about people saying they could have Christ as their Saviour, but not as their Lord. Kind of similar to this present issue -- IF Christ is your Saviour, He is also your Lord -- and it is your duty to obey Him fully.

So, I remember I agree with him on these important issues, but I have vague memory of something I took issue with (probably some petty difference) -- but he is definitely a good speaker and expositor of Scripture.

20 posted on 07/16/2014 3:15:57 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Guenevere

I agree. He doesn’t shy away from taking it to the ones that waiver.


21 posted on 07/16/2014 3:18:34 PM PDT by mothball
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To: Morgana

You know if there is one thing I admire about some of these Baptist preachers its that they don’t mince words.

Oh how I wish the recent popes would do that.


22 posted on 07/16/2014 3:44:02 PM PDT by piusv
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23 posted on 07/16/2014 3:56:09 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: piusv
Oh how I wish the recent popes would do that.

I never could understand JPII, BXVI I could understand just fine... Francis is a weird combination of the two: I understand what he's saying but I don't know why he's saying it.

24 posted on 07/16/2014 3:56:24 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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25 posted on 07/16/2014 3:58:04 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

What for those that should take the mark of the beast there is no repentance after for salvation alowed?

God been very generous about allowing you to repent and be saved up to the last minutes..see the guilty man that died on the cross next to Jesus.

The whole story of the protocol son in on this subject of not resenting those that repent late and get the same reward

Also Jesus parable about the workers in the Vinyard..”the last shall be first and the first last”


26 posted on 07/16/2014 4:00:47 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: El Cid
'Is Salvation only through Jesus Christ'? People often get squishy on that question when they are surrounded by people of other religions -- as was MacArthur during this interview -- but he stood his ground on the rock and stated clearly what it was - Salvation through Christ alone.

Billy Graham couldn't even do that.

27 posted on 07/16/2014 4:13:33 PM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: JSDude1

Indeed. They are of their father the devil.

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
—John 8:44


28 posted on 07/16/2014 4:17:12 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Legatus

Benedict knew how to speak clearly, but the media tried to drown him out, and Liberal Catholics joined in.


29 posted on 07/16/2014 4:25:49 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

If you’re going to think that John MacArthur has “jettison” the Word of God over a question and answer statement on the end times, then you might as well give up on all the rest of us who have time to thoughtfully think through and respond with dumb answers.


30 posted on 07/16/2014 5:00:04 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: Gamecock

There are few preachers today who are willing to stand up for the truth of the gospel. And their becoming harder and harder to find.

I have a wonderful set of John MacArthur’s commentaries which sit right next to my John Calvin’s commentaries. How come Reformists make the most sense?


31 posted on 07/16/2014 5:03:12 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: Morgana

Hear, hear!


32 posted on 07/16/2014 5:26:25 PM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Morgana; fwdude

MacArthur is absolutely correct on this one.


33 posted on 07/16/2014 6:05:12 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: HarleyD
Real simple...

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

What part is unclear?
34 posted on 07/16/2014 9:11:50 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: tophat9000
This should clarify the point of contention...

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Is this unclear?
35 posted on 07/16/2014 9:14:01 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Because you do not alowed for repentence..all sin is described the same manner.. you are lost if you do this thing..and you are forgiven if you repent and call on the blood of Christ for forgiveness..

Are you saying Christ only died from some not all sins?...

Are you saying Christs blood does not wash away all sin but only some sins and not others? ...


36 posted on 07/17/2014 1:58:52 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: fwdude

When did Billy Graham say one could find salvation outside Christ?

Ive heard Franklin say precisely the opposite...no acceptance of Jesus as son of God....no Salvation

The path to everlasting life only thru him....

Ive heard Glenn Beck new agers hint good Jews get a get out of jail free card

No scripture in the New Covenant says that....


37 posted on 07/17/2014 2:17:16 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: tophat9000; Jan_Sobieski

That passage does not make exceptions.

It does not say that the person can repent of it and be forgiven.

Remember, after a time of pharaoh hardening his heart, God hardened it for him.

There comes a time where even God says enough. The verse says that if anyone receives the mark, the same SHALL.......

What part of that is unclear?

No if’s, and’s or but’s.


38 posted on 07/17/2014 5:08:26 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: wardaddy

A conversation with the New Age heretic Robert Schuller:

Dr. Schuller: “Tell me, what is the future of Christianity?”
Dr. Graham: “Well, Christianity and being a true believer, you know, I think there’s the body of Christ which comes from all the Christian groups around the world, or outside the Christian groups. I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the body of Christ. And I don’t think that we’re going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts they need something that they don’t have and they turn to the only light they have and I think they’re saved and they’re going to be with us in heaven.”
Dr. Schuller: “What I hear you saying is that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into a human heart and soul and life even if they’ve been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you’re saying?”
Dr. Graham: “Yes it is because I believe that. I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, have never heard of Jesus but they’ve believed in their hearts that there is a God and they tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.”
Dr. Schuller: “This is fantastic. I’m so thrilled to hear you say that. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy.
Dr. Graham: There is. There definitely is.”

Here’s the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0


39 posted on 07/17/2014 7:08:56 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: tophat9000

It’s the Prodigal Son, not the Protocol Son.


40 posted on 07/17/2014 7:53:38 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
What part is unclear?

Yes, it's rather easy when you're not standing before 10,000 people, late at night after a busy day, having it pod cast through the Internet.

There are people on this site that have stated a lot worst theological boo-boos including myself. I wouldn't brand MacArthur, or anyone here, as anything more than a sinner saved by grace.

41 posted on 07/17/2014 4:59:05 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: Jan_Sobieski
"While I agree with Macarthur on his point about homosexuality in Church, I am very concerned about him overall. He has stated on a few occasions that Christians can receive the "Mark of the Beast" and still be saved?!?!"

The one area of theology were I depart from MacArthur is his dispensational eschatology.

42 posted on 07/18/2014 6:49:37 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

So you don’t believe the Bible?


43 posted on 07/18/2014 1:17:58 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: HarleyD
I used to have respect for Macarther, but in a day when the Mark of the Beast could be right around the corner, he, and others like Brannon Howse are saying..."go ahead and receive the Mark of the Beast, you will be forgiven".

This is utterly unconscionable!?!?
44 posted on 07/18/2014 1:21:58 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: tophat9000
It is frightening, but it is God Himself that qualifies the sin of "taking the mark of the beast" as the one sin that cannot be forgiven. Knowing this, I would rather die than take the Mark!

My prayer is that people will not listen to men like Macarthur and Howse, so that if the day does come where we have to make the decision...we all listen to God and make the right one.

Beware so-called systematic theology that denies God's Word!
45 posted on 07/18/2014 1:29:44 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Sure I beIieve the the bible, that’s why reject dispensationalism. Dispensationalism is the comics section of the theological newspaper.


46 posted on 07/18/2014 3:40:27 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity; Jan_Sobieski
The one area of theology were I depart from MacArthur is his dispensational eschatology.

You're absolutely right. Dispensational eschatology is one area where good theologians make huge theological errors. Even they can't get their act together on this misguided topic.

47 posted on 07/18/2014 4:55:08 PM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Do you know what the “mark of the beast” is?

Because no one knows for sure yet so you have God creating a hidden sin land mine. God does not do that..

You are confusing conscience permanent choice to rebel against God and join Satan army..to knowing willing put on the unform “his mark” vs having the mark imposed or not knowing what it is or entails.

Like Satan and his fallen angels. .it will be there choice the side they choose with full knowledge and consent.


48 posted on 07/18/2014 5:21:59 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: circlecity

The Apostle Paul believed in it.


49 posted on 07/18/2014 5:41:28 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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