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Priestly Ordination To Men Alone
walkinginthedesert ^

Posted on 07/17/2014 6:46:58 PM PDT by walkinginthedesert


In a historic vote, the Church of England today approved female bishops. The vote was far from even being close. Women will be bishops in the Church of England after a historic vote in the General Synod, ending 40 years of not being able to do so. An overwhelming 81 per cent of Synod members backed the change, during the sitting in York, and 75 per cent of the laity supported the move.

There will no doubt be a great push of the Feminist movement to use this event to further their causes for whatever reasons they may be. There will also be a great push for other Christian groups to do the same in following the Anglicans, allowing women to be bishops, or even priests. However this will not and cannot happen in the Catholic Church. Any faithful Catholic knows that the ordination of the priesthood is reserved to men alone, and is a matter not merely of discipline or small t Tradition, but rather one which constitutes capital T Tradition which cannot change. The question is why? What makes this type of change impossible amongst the Catholic Church? Also what is the big deal with women being priests or bishops for that matter?

The reason that women cannot be priests is theological and obviously historical as well. In his Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, Pope Saint John Paul II talks about the reservation of priestly ordination to men alone. He mentions that it is not in the authority of the Church to ordain women priests, he states “I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitely held by all the Church’s faithful.”1

The Nature of Priestly Ordination to Men Alone

1) A priest acts in "persona Christi” He is another Christ. Christ was a man and by that very nature a women being a priest would be incompatible. (The nature of the priesthood)

2) The scriptural accounts regarding the Gospels, of Christ choosing his apostles only from amongst men (The Scriptural Basis)

3) Throughout the centuries, even up to this day, the Church’s living and teaching authority has held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God’s plan (The Tradition of the Church)

A priest acts in “persona Christi” he is literally a second Christ. The son of God became flesh as a man, and therefore the priest’s maleness is essential to his priestly role. It is also to be held that although equal in dignity, the very nature of man and woman is different.

The fact is that women and men though equal in dignity in the eyes of God have different functions according to their vary nature. For example, “men were created to be focused more in the exterior, while women in the interior, men tend to look more on the physical, women more in the human person, men are mostly the provider, women the nurturer of the family, men are paternal, women tend to be maternal”2

This helps explain that the reservation of priestly ordination to men, is by no means a sort of anti-women attitude that the Church has against women. No rather it has to do with the very nature and the differences of those two natures between male and female.

Mary DeTurris stated “Pope Saint John Paul II has written and spoken often about the equality of women, their unique gifts and their role in the Church. The pope affirmed women’s central importance in history and said the Church believes the Gospel message of Christ is “ever relevant” when it comes “to setting women free from every kind of exploitation and domination.”3

DeTurris further explained that the role of the Virgin Mary was drastically different from that of the Apostles and Disciples. DeTurris stated “ The fact that the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, and Mother of the Church, received neither the mission proper to the apostles nor the ministerial priesthood clearly shows that the non-admission of women to priestly ordination cannot mean that women are of lesser dignity, nor can it be construed as a discrimination against them”4

The role of women in Church in Church and in the faith itself, is to be pursued by following in the footsteps of Mary. Mary grew in sanctification through her own personal holiness, by doing the will of God in her life. Her ceaseless prayers, for the Church and her own holiness in her daily life is basically that of the women’s role.

Tradition and Scripture

First and foremost Saint Pope John Paul II states in his Apostolic Letter Ordination Sacerdotalis that in the Gospels themselves, Jesus chooses his disciples only amongst men. He further states that this has been the tradition of the Church even up to the present day. Pope John Paul states:

"The Church holds that it is not admissible to ordain women to the priesthood for very fundamental reasons. These reasons include: the example recorded in the Sacred Scriptures of Christ choosing his Apostles only from among men; the constant practice of the Church, which has imitated Christ in choosing only men; and her living teaching authority which has consistently held that the exclusion of women from the priesthood is in accordance with God's plan for his Church”5Similarly the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

"Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination." The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ's return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible. (CCC 1577)

The Early Church and the Church Fathers

Ever since the early church, leading up to the second and third century, there were heretical groups of Christians that started ordaining women to work priestly functions. Various Church Fathers and councils quickly condemned this practice as contrary to the nature of the priesthood.

John Chrysostom

"[W]hen one is required to preside over the Church and to be entrusted with the care of so many souls, the whole female sex must retire before the magnitude of the task, and the majority of men also, and we must bring forward those who to a large extent surpass all others and soar as much above them in excellence of spirit as Saul overtopped the whole Hebrew nation in bodily stature" (The Priesthood 2:2 [A.D. 387]).


"When a widow is to be appointed, she is not to be ordained, but is designated by being named [a widow]. . . . A widow is appointed by words alone, and is then associated with the other widows. Hands are not imposed on her, because she does not offer the oblation and she does not conduct the liturgy. Ordination is for the clergy because of the liturgy; but a widow is appointed for prayer, and prayer is the duty of all" (The Apostolic Tradition 11 [A.D. 215]).

Council of Nicaea I

"Similarly, in regard to the deaconesses, as with all who are enrolled in the register, the same procedure is to be observed. We have made mention of the deaconesses, who have been enrolled in this position, although, not having been in any way ordained, they are certainly to be numbered among the laity" (Canon 19 [A.D. 325]).

Council of Laodicea

"[T]he so-called ‘presbyteresses’ or ‘presidentesses’ are not to be ordained in the Church" (Canon 11 [A.D. 360]).

1)Saint Pope John Paul II: Ordinatio Sacerdotalis (Section 1)

2)Fulton Sheen: (A talk given by Archbishop Fulton Sheen in his Life Is Worth Living series)

3)Mary DeTurris: Why Women Can't Be Priests


5)John Paul II op.cit (section 1)

TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: clergy; ordination; priesthood; womenpriest
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1 posted on 07/17/2014 6:46:58 PM PDT by walkinginthedesert
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To: walkinginthedesert

the church is so apostasy..most of it.

2 posted on 07/17/2014 6:49:42 PM PDT by felixandbowinkle
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To: walkinginthedesert

What is 81% of irrelevancy?

3 posted on 07/17/2014 6:50:23 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: walkinginthedesert

Over the last 10 years I have seem hordes of Anglicans/Episcopalians, both men and women, leave their churches and join Catholic and Orthodox Churches.

4 posted on 07/17/2014 6:53:01 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: walkinginthedesert
They have abandoned apostolic teaching.

Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. 9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

5 posted on 07/17/2014 6:53:06 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: felixandbowinkle
the church is so apostasy..most of it.

Certainly not on the issue of not ordaining women.

6 posted on 07/17/2014 6:58:24 PM PDT by xone
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To: Jim from C-Town


7 posted on 07/17/2014 7:02:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Sometimes I like to drink all by myself.)
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To: walkinginthedesert

I guess this means that there will soon be lesbian bishops in the Anglican Church.

Very sad.

8 posted on 07/17/2014 7:03:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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The personal sins of Bishops apart ... floor of Hell paved with their skulls and all that ... this development illustrates conclusively that the Church of England’s theology of the Eucharist, as well as the Incarnation, is irredeemably flawed.

9 posted on 07/17/2014 7:06:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Sometimes I like to drink all by myself.)
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To: Hostage
Coming Home Network
10 posted on 07/17/2014 7:08:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: walkinginthedesert

Sorry. Whole thing is off.

Not one priest can be found in all the New Testament. Other than the Lord Jesus Himself.

It is a Jewish practice that ended when our High Priest came in the flesh and made all believers priests.....

Flame away.....

11 posted on 07/17/2014 7:13:25 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: Cicero

I can tell you exactly what he thinks. He’s thinking it’s all a giant fraud, but one that continues to furnish him with social status and a comfortable living. He knows he’s a sellout counting the days to retirement and occasionally wonders if he’ll have a functioning conscience by then. He is starting not to care. He’s very busy and important you know, and has many busy and important people to keep up with.

Yes, I know exactly what he’s thinking.

My best friend for 30 years was/is an ecusa rector of a large endowment church. He has an island too (are you in Maine?). He broke off his friendship with me when I became engaged to the now Mrs Romulus, a convert from the ecusa who let him know her views. He took it very poorly indeed.

13 posted on 07/17/2014 7:42:41 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: xone

true i suppose..but there are plenty of women that would do a better job than some of the weak priests of today.

14 posted on 07/17/2014 7:51:21 PM PDT by felixandbowinkle
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To: felixandbowinkle

There is only one Law for the Priesthood and that is found in the Torah. Priests are to marry and the Kohen ha Gadol or High Priest HAD to be maried to officiate on Yom Kippur etc.. What you are actually seeing is the result of forsaking the Torah ; you end up 180 degrees opposite the Word of G-d. Don’t go with the flow. Return to Torah and Know the L-rd.

15 posted on 07/17/2014 8:12:28 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: felixandbowinkle
Well, the church of England was born out of sinful motives, so what else would one expect?
16 posted on 07/17/2014 8:34:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Cicero
The US Episky spawn of the C of E already has them.
17 posted on 07/17/2014 8:36:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Arlis
Guess you missed the writings of St. Paul to the new Christian Churches throughout Asia Minor and the Mediterranean. Not to mention the ordination of St. Peter by the Christ Himself.

But then protestants are like that, a lot.

18 posted on 07/17/2014 8:39:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
I was Baptized as a priest , prophet and king. Small letters, because I'm a girl. ;)
19 posted on 07/17/2014 9:19:36 PM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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In case I was not clear, I am Catholic. I am not in favor of ordination of women.

20 posted on 07/17/2014 9:21:40 PM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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