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Of 10 highest IQ's on earth, at least 8 are Theists, at least 6 are Christians
The Examiner ^ | 07/20/2014 | Steve Williams

Posted on 07/20/2014 7:35:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Have you ever heard the claim "all smart people are atheists", or maybe its inverse: "people who believe in God are dumb"? It's quite a pervasive urban legend, and one which I've known is false for a long time, but I didn't realize just how false until the other day. I recently decided to do a quick cataloging of the ten highest IQ's on earth, and discovered that it's nearly the exact opposite of the truth!

Before reading the list, however, I want to remind you of the caveat that IQ test results are not in any sense the measure of a person's worth. They tend to favor folks who are good at hard "knowledge" things like mathematics and chess, and I think we all know very valuable people who are good at none of these. Moreover, I think the attribute of "wisdom" (valuing attributes like ethics and foresight) is a far better measure of whether or not a person will be happy. I'm not aware of any standardized test for measuring wisdom, however.

Another important point is that there are competing ideas on which tests most accurately measure intelligence. Not everyone takes the same IQ test, and there are enough claims, counterclaims, and disputes in this subject to drive a researcher bananas! All I could do was read everything I could find on it, and rank the candidates based both upon their scores and on who seemed to be the most unanimously agreed upon as worthy (ignoring many "fan clubs" along the way).

An additional challenge I had to grapple with is that minors' scores are adjusted upwards to compensate for their age. The younger they are, the higher the relative adjustment.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: christianity; iq; theism

CLICK ABOVE LINK TO SEE THE NAMES AND BACKGROUND OF THOSE WITH THE HIGHEST IQ's IN THE WORLD


1 posted on 07/20/2014 7:35:13 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
A disproportionate percentage of physicists are atheists; I've read that 60-to-80% are. I believe there is a correlation between extremely high intelligence and an aversion to the concept of the supernatural. (I am neither an physicist nor an atheist, by the way.)
2 posted on 07/20/2014 7:46:03 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: utahagen
A disproportionate percentage of physicists are atheists

Their religion is the scientific method.

3 posted on 07/20/2014 7:48:30 AM PDT by AU72
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To: SeekAndFind

I think finding a link between religious belief and IQ is false dichotomy.

Being intelligent doesn’t mean you are rational. Look at Bobby Fischer.


4 posted on 07/20/2014 7:49:41 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: SeekAndFind

Not to me surprising that most of these individuals have some sort of spiritual perspective, but the writer seems to really stretch interpretations of Christianity to include some in that category on scant evidence or a beyond broad definition of what counts as Christian.


5 posted on 07/20/2014 8:05:41 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Being intelligent doesn’t mean you are rational. Look at Bobby Fischer.

There is something about Chess champions and sanity. Lots of them come up bonkers after a few years of glory.

6 posted on 07/20/2014 8:10:10 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed...
..at least I know not to click on any link that takes me to “The Examiner”!

I avoid it for the same reason I avoid sex with Paris Hilton - you’re going to catch something that will take a while to clear out!


7 posted on 07/20/2014 8:12:14 AM PDT by Yossarian
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To: SeekAndFind

I ignore junk like this. They say Hillary Clinton has a high iq based on this or that ( no actual test score) or they give tests scores for people who have been dead for hundreds of years- all liberal heroes. Junk


8 posted on 07/20/2014 8:13:40 AM PDT by equalator
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To: SeekAndFind

1 Corinthians 1:26-
“For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise,. . “


9 posted on 07/20/2014 8:18:53 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sounds about right to me and not at all a surprise.

Happened to read this message just before getting online this morning and it offers some basis to explain why:

come! come and win the friendship of My Holy Spirit to become collaborators with Him, for He will graciously initiate you into Our mysteries by opening your mind and your eyes to understand and perceive the Imperceptible yet graciously offered to you at no cost;

10 posted on 07/20/2014 8:19:07 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe there are very few true atheist because the belief in absolutely nothing is not conducive to, nor an example of, intelligence. It is a however a trait that psychopaths and sociopaths tend to share and many of them score quite high on IQ test, but their social skills and table manners tend to be terrible.


11 posted on 07/20/2014 8:25:13 AM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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To: aimhigh

However, I would like to mention Dr. Ben Carson. He’s not only in the High IQ area, he’s also a brilliant physician. And .. he counts it all as his relationship with Jesus; which his mother taught him.

Interesting man.


12 posted on 07/20/2014 8:42:10 AM PDT by CyberAnt (True the Vote: " MY AMERICA, ... I'm terrified it's slipping away.")
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To: CyberAnt

A recent study indicated that the higher your IQ the more self deceptive you are. Explains why PhD’s are so stupid!


13 posted on 07/20/2014 8:57:20 AM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: SeekAndFind

8+6=10?


14 posted on 07/20/2014 9:01:25 AM PDT by gdzla
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To: SeekAndFind

Albert Einstein:

Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations.


15 posted on 07/20/2014 9:06:06 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: SeekAndFind

With all due respect, not everyone in the world has taken an IQ test, and even those who have have not necessarily taken tests capable of discerning IQs at the one-in-a-billion level. (For example, the ceiling of some common tests is around 160, corresponding to not even one-in-a-million, meaning, >7,000 people in the world, out of seven billion people total, could get perfect scores on such tests.) The identities of the ten highest IQ people in the whole world aren’t known. So this article is meaningless.


16 posted on 07/20/2014 9:11:37 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: GBA

Thank you...


17 posted on 07/20/2014 9:16:51 AM PDT by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: SeekAndFind

Given that greater than 80% of individuals generally are religious, this means that atheists (and deists) are statistically over-represented in the ultra-high IQ population.


18 posted on 07/20/2014 9:40:30 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: SES1066

I’m sorry, but I don’t get the chess and genius thing.

You want to play some real chess? Run a political campaign in an even up district against a strong D competitor.

Let’s see how good you are at chess then punkass.


19 posted on 07/20/2014 9:42:53 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: utahagen
A disproportionate percentage of physicists are atheists; I've read that 60-to-80% are.

While this in no way negates your statement, Heisenberg once said "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you." I rather like that. Though I haven't finished my glass yet.

20 posted on 07/20/2014 9:47:39 AM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: utahagen
Physicists live in a different world: I won't take anything away from the their mental prowess for their chosen discipline but like mathematicians, they see only a small part of the universe in their labors.

Engineers, particularly program managers, live in a more balanced world which includes practice as well as theory. Most of the engineers I have known are religious because almost every engineer understands that elegant designs never produce themselves. They understand all of the factors required for a system to come together and to work as designed and never believe in mere probabilities.

Therefore, I'm not impressed with my physicists out there. As I once told a Physics Major grad student who didn't like one of my answers to a college examination question, "when I graduate, I'll be an engineer and have a job - you'll still be grading papers..Sorry".

21 posted on 07/20/2014 10:26:38 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: SeekAndFind

That list is WAY off!!
Where’s Jay Carney, Harry Reid, Alan Grayson, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, etc.?


22 posted on 07/20/2014 10:48:15 AM PDT by mothball
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To: SeekAndFind
The natural progression is you grow up believing in god.

Then you find science and begin to question the belief in god and possibly refute god.

Then if you live long enough, you begin to question the limits of science and find faith in god.

23 posted on 07/20/2014 10:48:35 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: utahagen

Don’t have any numbers and I’ve often heard similar discussions from others, but when I’ve pulled the thread I’ve found that it is all urban legend. My degree is in Physics and every Physics major I’ve met in the last 25 years except two were religious in one way or another.

What I’ve found in discussions is that from both a practical and theory standpoint the more we find out and the less we realize we know, it becomes either terrifying or awe inspiring both of which lead to an appreciation of God.


24 posted on 07/20/2014 10:50:27 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: Moltke
Heisenberg once said "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you." I rather like that. Though I haven't finished my glass yet.

Very cool quote. Thanks for that one.

25 posted on 07/20/2014 10:50:45 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“I think finding a link between religious belief and IQ is false dichotomy.” Say that again?? Your thought contradicts itself.


26 posted on 07/20/2014 11:01:12 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: mothball
Where’s Jay Carney, Harry Reid, Alan Grayson, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, etc.?

Or the new smartest woman i the world: Elizabeth Warren?

27 posted on 07/20/2014 11:02:32 AM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the Left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: jerod

Many atheists are obviously actual believers who resent and hate God. A true atheist would not try to force his particular view on others because others’ views should not matter at all to him unless others are trying to actually coerce him into expressing theist views. Of course not all atheists fall into this category, perhaps most do not but the nature of it is that most who do not will not become known and thus not be counted. The atheists we are familiar with are the screamers who insist that all of us must be protected from any sort of God.


28 posted on 07/20/2014 11:06:34 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: coloradan
An old friend's son aced his IQ test back in grade school. NASA hired him in High school and paid for his university study. His parents are both above normal but not nearly enough to explain Austin. I don't know what his views of the Ultimate are. He has a very bright ̣(parents' range) brother who is a preacher.
29 posted on 07/20/2014 11:12:25 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: utahagen
I believe there is a correlation between extremely high intelligence and an aversion to the concept of the supernatural.

Watch Leonard Susskind try to dance around the overwhelming evidence for an Intelligent Designer.

Occam's Razor does not appear to be in his intellectual repertoire.

Closer To Truth asks Leonard Susskind: Is the Universe Fine-Tuned for Life and Mind?

30 posted on 07/20/2014 11:16:43 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: BwanaNdege
I believe there is a correlation between extremely high intelligence and an aversion to the concept of the supernatural.

Susskind explicitly admits this at about 4:40 in the interview.

31 posted on 07/20/2014 11:19:34 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: SeekAndFind
Silly article, top 10 IQ's? I doubt you could really find those people.

I have a high IQ, so so I have been told. The last "IQ" type test I took was the GRE back in college. Scored high enough to get me into Mensa, and even the TOPS.

I tend to be "athiestic" or at most "agnostic", at least officially, when I discuss politics or science. I think bottom line, religiosity is a choice.

I did have a boss, an MIT Grad, brilliant, who was an athiest, and a Conservative. He was a believer in a "religious" gene in humans. That humans felt the need to believe in something greater than themselves. Because of that, Conservatives tended to believe in God, but Liberals, who choose to be Godless, HAD to believe in something, so they substitute The State. Makes sense to me.

32 posted on 07/20/2014 11:22:33 AM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Creator (1985)

Dr Harry Wolper: “I tell you Sid, that one of these days we’ll look in to our microscope and find ourselves staring right into God’s eyes, and the first one who blinks is going to lose his testicles.”


33 posted on 07/20/2014 11:23:49 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: justa-hairyape
You're most welcome. A few more here but some may sound a bit strange without a proper frame of reference.
34 posted on 07/20/2014 1:38:47 PM PDT by Moltke (Sapere aude!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m a big fan of science and even fancied myself a scientist once upon a time. It’s fun and fascinating and worth every minute of time invested, mostly. Science, however, doesn’t explain or actually attempt to understand much of anything. Science is mostly about observing things and giving them names.


35 posted on 07/20/2014 1:51:25 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

“Being intelligent doesn’t mean you are rational. Look at Bobby Fischer”.

Ted Kaczynski, aka, the “Unabomber” comes to mind. A PHD mathmatician, who flipped out, started living like a hermit, and blowing up buildings. But did he flip out? Who knows what evil looks in the heart of men? Only The shadow knows.


36 posted on 07/20/2014 6:00:55 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: BwanaNdege

Ping myself for link.


37 posted on 07/21/2014 9:53:55 AM PDT by Jay Thomas (If not for my faith in Christ, I would despair.)
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To: SeekAndFind

For the people who dont understand what IQ is, imagine comparing the inteligence of two people as the same as comparing the fighting capacity of two martial arts warriors in battle. A higher IQ would represent a higher muscle strenght, not technique or karate skills. Who would win the fight? any of them. IQ is only measuring your Complex Abstraction ¨lifting¨ capabilities, how much complexity can you hold in your brain at any given time, not your actual overall inteligence.
It does not represent by any means if a person deserves awards or respect or love or if it is spiritual or even sane or coherent or wise or educated.

I believe religion is a place where a person goes when he/she cant find the answers that he/she needs anywhere else. Every person is different, so every person needs different answers, and some need a lot while some others just need a few.
So i would think the tendency is that smarter people in general is able to find the answers he/she needs without having to recur to religion.

But the definition itself of a god is very ambiguos. Two differnet persons who believe in god will probably say to each other ¨we are two believers¨, but the actual concept or idea they have about god in their minds will probably be completly different.

I have my own explanation or idea of what i am, what my soul is and so on, but i dont consider myself a believer.
The thing is, the only thing i need to be recogniced as a believer is to call all my ¨explanations¨ as ¨God¨, wich is just semantics AND to follow all the social conventions that been religious imply.

What is the difference between ¨The explanation of everything¨(in the most broad sense posible) and ¨God¨ besides letters?

My personal conclusion its than a person been religious or not depends on his/her personality, lenguage and social enviorement. Its a cultural thing.

A person who doesnt need answers nor the social support of his social enviorement religious mates, will break free to do whatever he actually needs to do with his mind , hearth and body.


38 posted on 09/18/2015 2:07:48 PM PDT by CoolDepot
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To: CoolDepot
--- I believe religion is a place where a person goes when he/she cant find the answers that he/she needs anywhere else. ---

The problem with materialism is that it's self-refuting.

The difficulty with theism is the problem of evil. While the problem is not insurmountable, it can't be fully explained.

The above link is the best, most concise explanation of the problem that I've read.

39 posted on 09/18/2015 2:36:39 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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