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@USCCB: Latest @BarackObama's Executive Order "unprecedented and extreme and should be opposed"
Vivificat - From Contemplation to Action ^ | 22 July 2014 | Te骹ilo de Jes鷖 (@vivificat)

Posted on 07/22/2014 5:58:17 AM PDT by Te骹ilo

Brethren: Peace be with you.

I wanted to share with you this press release issued by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB):

"'Freedom of conscience'? What's that?"
WASHINGTON–The bishop-Chairmen of two USCCB Committees responded with great concern to President Obama’s July 21 executive order to prohibit federal government contractors from what the Administration deems “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” discrimination and to forbid “gender identity” discrimination in the employment of federal employees. The problems the bishops identify in the order relate both to the flaws in its core prohibitions, and to its lack of religious freedom protection.

Two USCCB Chairmen – Archbishop William E. Lori of Baltimore, Chairman of the Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty and Bishop Richard J. Malone of Buffalo, Chairman of the Committee on Laity, Marriage, Family Life and Youth – together issued the following statement.
Today’s executive order is unprecedented and extreme and should be opposed.

In the name of forbidding discrimination, this order implements discrimination. With the stroke of a pen, it lends the economic power of the federal government to a deeply flawed understanding of human sexuality, to which faithful Catholics and many other people of faith will not assent. As a result, the order will exclude federal contractors precisely on the basis of their religious beliefs.

More specifically, the Church strongly opposes both unjust discrimination against those who experience a homosexual inclination and sexual conduct outside of marriage, which is the union of one man and one woman. But the executive order, as it regards federal government contractors, ignores the inclination/conduct distinction in the undefined term “sexual orientation.” As a result, even contractors that disregard sexual inclination in employment face the possibility of exclusion from federal contracting if their employment policies or practices reflect religious or moral objections to extramarital sexual conduct.

The executive order prohibits “gender identity” discrimination, a prohibition that is previously unknown at the federal level, and that is predicated on the false idea that “gender” is nothing more than a social construct or psychological reality that can be chosen at variance from one’s biological sex. This is a problem not only of principle but of practice, as it will jeopardize the privacy and associational rights of both federal contractor employees and federal employees. For example, a biological male employee may be allowed to use the women’s restroom or locker room provided by the employer because the male employee identifies as a female.

In an attempt to avoid these needless conflicts, states that have passed “sexual orientation” or “gender identity” prohibitions have overwhelmingly included protections for religious employers. When the U.S. Senate, which is controlled by the President’s own party, passed the similar Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) last year, it included religious liberty protections as well. Indeed, all prior versions of ENDA had at least some religious liberty protections. But the executive order is an anomaly in this regard, containing no religious liberty protections. In this way, the order, which is fundamentally flawed in itself, also needlessly prefers conflict and exclusion over coexistence and cooperation.

Regarding federal contractors, the Executive Order will take effect after rules to be promulgated by the Department of Labor implementing the Executive Order become final. Regarding federal employment, the Executive Order is effective immediately.
Commentary. Brothers and sisters: President Obama's arrogance and abuse of power knows no limits. Personally, I am not against discrimination on the job for any reasons, for everyone deserves to eat and therefore, everyone deserves to work. Yet, this latest Presidential diktat is not only unnecessary in my view, but also another frontal attack against our First Amendment liberty, ostensibly under the guise of achieving a relative "good."

With all due respect, President +BarackObama, I must tell you, sir: I will not submit nor will I conform to the vacuous morality you are imposing upon us by means of government power. I promise you, I will resist every effort you and your administration levies against my freedom of conscience with every lawful means at my disposal as a citizens of the United States of America and that's no mean power on its own.


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1 posted on 07/22/2014 5:58:17 AM PDT by Te骹ilo
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To: YellowRoseofTx; Rashputin; StayoutdaBushesWay; OldNewYork; MotherRedDog; sayuncledave; ...

PING!


2 posted on 07/22/2014 5:59:24 AM PDT by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Te贸filo

I wonder, could the Catholic Church have been so blind that it could not see that Catholics in America have been voting to keep and renew the democrip politicians who are now smiling at this latest manifestation of the elimination of Church from the dying Republic? Is the Church so short sighted that they did not realize not standing up against politicians like Dungheap Harkin and Nazi Pelosi who push and push for more abortion slaughter would not result in evil taking over and aiming at The Church?


3 posted on 07/22/2014 6:08:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN

Hmmm, one too many ‘nots’ in that last. Need more coffee for this tired old brain and weeping heart.


4 posted on 07/22/2014 6:09:24 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Te贸filo; Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; ...

Sleep with a snake and odds are good it will bite you, Ping!

5 posted on 07/22/2014 6:14:20 AM PDT by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: MHGinTN
My most prescient post: The US Catholic Bishops and Health Care Reform: A Failure of Imagination.

;-)

~Theo

6 posted on 07/22/2014 6:18:03 AM PDT by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: NYer
Sleep with a snake and odds are good it will bite you

Sleep with a snake; breed an IRS agent.

7 posted on 07/22/2014 6:21:54 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: Te贸filo

 

Catechism of the Catholic Church

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

 


8 posted on 07/22/2014 6:44:19 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Te贸filo

Well, USCCB, you would do well to recognize that NONE of Omama’s policies are worthy of your support.

You seem to have confused his current orhestration of massive illegal immigration, as some sort of compassionate enterprise.

In fact it is designed to ensure an eternally dependent underclass of voters to keep America hating liberals in power.

The result will be complete destruction of YOUR religious freedom, and the condemnation of LEGAL immigrants and minorities to eternal slave wages.


9 posted on 07/22/2014 6:56:32 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Te贸filo

Take the king’s coin, play the king’s tune.

That and by far the American Catholics have been on the Democrat side of things. Yes, the Know Nothings were anti Catholic in the late 1800’s, but that doesn’t excuse it.


10 posted on 07/22/2014 7:05:06 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: MHGinTN

I wonder, could the Catholic Church have been so blind that it could not see that Catholics in America have been voting to keep and renew the democrip politicians who are now smiling at this latest manifestation of the elimination of Church from the dying Republic? Is the Church so short sighted that they did not realize not standing up against politicians like Dungheap Harkin and Nazi Pelosi who push and push for more abortion slaughter would not result in evil taking over and aiming at The Church?


Well stated. The enemy will take any advantage you give them.


11 posted on 07/22/2014 7:07:08 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: G Larry

They want the illegal immigrants because they are nominally Catholic. If they were Protestant I doubt the Bishops would be for it.

Sadly, if they were muslims they would bring them in by the bushel load. Catholic Charities has done that around here (along with the ELCA’s Lutheran Charities).


12 posted on 07/22/2014 7:07:21 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: MHGinTN

“I wonder, could the Catholic Church have been so blind “

Too many bishops in the USCCB have “power” ties to the government. But it’s not only the Catholic church but all the mainstream Christian churches. If they did not...then why were they all so silent when the SCOTUS created the abortion LAW with their decision on Roe v Wade?


13 posted on 07/22/2014 7:15:09 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Salvation

Yes, of course. This paragraph - and the two following paragraphs - of the CCC defines my attitude toward same-sex activity and those who suffer from it day in and day out.

+JMJ,
~Theo


14 posted on 07/22/2014 7:19:00 AM PDT by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: ThomasMore

You mean the Protestant mainline churches remained silent before Roe v. Wade, for surely we Catholics didn’t remain quiet. For a long while it was just us until the Evangelicals joined us in the 1980’s.

~Theo


15 posted on 07/22/2014 7:21:34 AM PDT by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Te贸filo
Welcome To The Party Pal!
16 posted on 07/22/2014 7:31:09 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Te贸filo

"Bravo!"


17 posted on 07/22/2014 7:33:30 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Te贸filo

Very true, though many nominally Catholic politicians were pro infanticide (and remain so).

My synod was always pro life, but talking with people from that time, working with Catholics (or visa versa) was not considered possible. Remember, most of the people at that time were raised in the pre VII church, which viewed contact with non Catholics as dangerous at best, and heretical at worst. It was the same for my synod. Working with a Catholic on pro life causes and invoking the name of Jesus would be cause for review at the parish level.

One of the interesting things is that as the culture turns, we have been forced to recognize we are on the same side.


18 posted on 07/22/2014 7:35:59 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
To be fair. Catholics were not welcome in the Republican white Anglo Saxon world, not sure we are now.
20 posted on 07/22/2014 7:49:28 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw
To be fair. Catholics were not welcome in the Republican white Anglo Saxon world, not sure we are now.

Maybe it's because their political goals/views weren't conservative back then. They're hardly so even today.

21 posted on 07/22/2014 7:57:49 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: MHGinTN

The Church is indeed short sighted but in fact many of us Catholics would prefer being stoned in the public square rather than pulling the lever for a democrat. Any democrat.


22 posted on 07/22/2014 7:59:26 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Alex Murphy

I think you need to study the Democrat party of old to come to that conclusion. JFK was not a flaming radical and he would not be allowed to be a Democrat in today’s environment. The definitions of what is conservative and liberal do tend to change and shift.


23 posted on 07/22/2014 8:00:28 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: jwalsh07

But too few, sir, too few.


24 posted on 07/22/2014 8:09:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: jwalsh07
That is true of those of us who are politically educated. A lot of people in our Church don't pay attention to politics. Pastors are often reluctant to broach the subject. They know that no matter what they say at least half the Church will be upset.

Don't believe me? Think how many of the people you know who don't have a clue what Free Republic is? Can't name an elected public official under President. They have other concerns. It drives me crazy. I have people who are really good people but they know more about Dancing with the Stars then they do about politics.

Then throw in a media that portrays the Nancy Pelosi's of the world as a sympathetic concerned grandmother. (I know makes me want to vomit). This is not just Catholics BTW. We just get the brunt of it.

The GOP is making the same mistake it made with the Irish. I don't want an illegal invasion, but we are losing the PR on this and the die is already cast.

25 posted on 07/22/2014 8:11:07 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Te贸filo

For later.


26 posted on 07/22/2014 8:13:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: defconw

And faithful Lutherans are?

To be honest, most Catholics are more welcome in the elite more than faithful Protestants. Catholic’s in this country are very much cultural (CINO’s). Faithful Protestant and Catholic people are viewed as a threat.

Honestly growing up we would fight with the German Catholics in town a lot, but when the Swedes from the next town over came, we joined forces. I thought it was just a Nebraska thing, till I read up on the 30 Years War.


27 posted on 07/22/2014 8:16:56 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Te贸filo

They did too little too late. That includes the Catholic bishops. Writing papers and letters does not get the job done. That’s the same issue with this current situation.


28 posted on 07/22/2014 8:25:50 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: redgolum
I don't know anything about faithful Lutherans. They are not on this forum being beat up for everything anyone of them might say.

Frankly I no longer care. Just saying beating people over the head night and day does not generally make them want to cooperate with you.

I am a Catholic and for that I do not apologize. Despite being demonized in my Church and on this forum I have persevered. Because there is a TRUTH, and no naysayers of either side can change that.

I would and was far more comfortable in the Democrat Party of old. But.... Ronald Reagan was the man we needed and came at time when JPII was new. I was young and idealistic and dyed in the wool Democrat as that is where I lived.

But between my maturing faith and an openness to the truth, I voted for Ronald Reagan in 1984. It was my first Presidential vote. I hid my allegiance for years. I thought that there was no one like me. I lived in the bluest of the blue areas. Except in those days the map was red for rats and blue for pubs.

Finally I escaped the Catholic, city , Democrat ghetto. But there are days when I wish I was not quite and bright and inquisitive. Life was much easier as a blind sheep. But I continue on, because going back is not only impossible, but it would be to deny the truth both of Jesus Christ and of Natural law.

In closing Catholics may not be completely welcome in America's GOP, but we really have no where else to go. I am trying to enlighten as many fellow Catholics as I can, but it's a long process.

29 posted on 07/22/2014 8:31:01 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw
I can relate to that somewhat.

And Lutherans do get attacked here, go look at those same threads that you were mentioning and see how often certain Catholic posters bash us. I have been personally told that I am going to hell, worse than a muslim (because islam has a high view of Mary you know!), and damned for eternity because I don't beg for St Mary to intercede with her Son for me. The difference is that I tend to look at it as a source of amusement, which has more to say about me that anything else. The mud flinging on the FR religion forum these days is very tame compared the to Great Flame thread of five or more years ago.

In the political process, most Lutherans, being German, Russian, and Scandinavian immigrants, were not welcome in the old GOP. Many either kept to themselves (my great grandfather came here to get away from central government of the Kaiser. He had no interest in politics), or they moved to the various immigrant parties that nominally aligned with the Democrats.

The shift happened after Roe vs. Wade. It took a while, but many had to decide if their faith was worth their politics. Now, many Lutherans had a smaller barriers than many Catholics. For one thing, there was not a strong ethnic tie to the party. Irish Catholics in the East Coast have been tied to the Democrats for a long time. Finnish Lutherans were outside the pale for both parties for long enough that switching sides wasn't an issue.

The other was the man called Woodrow Wilson. As a Democratic president, he ended the liturgy of many Lutheran synods by the point of the gun. My grandfather was just old enough to remember having to burn the old German hymnals. Never mind that his father fled what became Germany to get away from the new German state. That ended the association with the Democratic party.

Catholics, for what ever reason, have yet to chose their faith over their party. You said it yourself, it is very hard. My late Father in Law HATED Republicans, because he was Catholic. He didn't like that the Dems were pro abortion, anti gun, and wanted more of his money, but they were better than the REPUBLICANS because of JFK.

30 posted on 07/22/2014 9:20:09 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
I never go on threads that have nothing to do with Catholicism. So I will take your words for the Anti-Lutheran sentiment. I will defend my religion on Catholic topics, but I stay out of the other food fights.

"The other was the man called Woodrow Wilson. As a Democratic president, he ended the liturgy of many Lutheran synods by the point of the gun. My grandfather was just old enough to remember having to burn the old German hymnals. Never mind that his father fled what became Germany to get away from the new German state. That ended the association with the Democratic party.

I never knew this. I am going to have to check this out. Not that I don't believe you. I just find that sort of think interesting. You know history. I know there was a strong anti-German sentiment during WWI, I just had no idea it involved the Lutheran Church's liturgy.. So I learned something. Thanks.

31 posted on 07/22/2014 9:36:08 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: redgolum
One of the interesting things is that as the culture turns, we have been forced to recognize we are on the same side.

Yes. I'd come to the same realization intellectually long ago, but "emotionally" very recently.

~Theo

32 posted on 07/22/2014 9:37:12 AM PDT by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: defconw

The liturgy that was forced was a variation of the Book of Common Prayer in the Episcopal church (or the old Red Hymnal for Lutherans). I have an old hymnal from that time, and it is so close as to be the same. The goal was to get all the churches in the US to have the same liturgy.

In the late 70’s or so, they starting using a variation of the liturgy of St John, which is similar in many places to the Catholic liturgy and the old Lutheran rite. I think ours is better than yours, but that is because Lutherans sing like no other. And I am biased.


33 posted on 07/22/2014 9:42:22 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Te贸filo

Old habits die hard.

Like I said, growing up the German Catholics and German Lutherans in town never got along, till the Swedes showed up.

That bias is at least 300 years old. Yet it persists today.


34 posted on 07/22/2014 9:43:30 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Te贸filo

It would be easier to be on the same side if they did not slice and dice every word we utter. Just saying. Just like thread. “They say we worship Mary, we say no we don’t”. They will never accept our what we see to be truth or know to be truth.


35 posted on 07/22/2014 9:45:01 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: redgolum

LOL, Fair enough! Catholics could use some voice lessons, I won’t deny that!


36 posted on 07/22/2014 9:46:40 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: redgolum
They want the illegal immigrants because they are nominally Catholic. If they were Protestant I doubt the Bishops would be for it.

I disagree with that assessment. As you say, many of the immigrants are "nominally Catholic." I expect fully a third to convert to Pentecostalism or other branches of the Evangelical churches shortly after arrival. Hispanics are a socially conservative bunch and makes for a natural conservative constituency until alienated - no pun intended - by people afraid of their "cooties" (I'm not talking about you).

The issue is far more complex and its description cannot be reduced to soundbites easily.

~Theo

37 posted on 07/22/2014 9:46:48 AM PDT by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: redgolum
Quote: Like I said, growing up the German Catholics and German Lutherans in town never got along, till the Swedes showed up. That bias is at least 300 years old. Yet it persists today.

I suppose it is because the Germans think the Swedes are blonde in all the wrong places and vice-versa...

~Theo

38 posted on 07/22/2014 9:48:51 AM PDT by Te骹ilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: defconw

I am Irish. By descent of course. Born, bred and will die an American Catholic with nothing but disdain for socialist and communists whatever their religion. I expect St Peter and I will discuss that someday becauseost everything you said is true.


39 posted on 07/22/2014 10:41:06 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

I have a lot of questions for St. Peter, myself. We can double team him. :)


40 posted on 07/22/2014 10:51:39 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: ThomasMore

” Too many bishops in the USCCB have “power” ties to the government.”

When a bishop is dependent upon a patron, he will be conflicted when it comes time to judge that patron. We saw that all throughout the middle ages.

Some things never change.


41 posted on 07/22/2014 11:25:09 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Te贸filo

It dates back to the end of the Thirty Years War. The Swedes basically won the war in the North, and were a very hard master in many areas.

Growing up “Swede” was a near swear word. Didn’t understand why till I got into genealogy and realized most of my area came from the Northern Baltic shore, and from southern Germany (the Catholics). Both suffered under the Swedes, and carried the distaste to the USA.

The only worse thing was a Prussian.


42 posted on 07/22/2014 11:28:00 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Te贸filo
It is. Yet most people only think in sound bites.

And don't kid yourself, the hope by the Bishops is that most of the people will stay Catholic. But you are right, many do not.
Heck we have large Hispanic LCMS churches right now. It is sometimes rather odd to wander into a LCMS church in the southwest and see a Hispanic liturgy with an Oktoberfest celebration mentioned in the bulletin

As for the “cooties”, well besides bed bugs (bad pun) that is an issue. Another is the fact that we are in a depression, and importing millions of unskilled laborers will not help the people already here find work.

For me, it is different. I know what happens to a lot of these people. They are treated as slaves, kept isolated by their employers (many don't speak Spanish, but an Indian dialect) and more often than should get sold into the sex trade.

If we need the workers, that is fine. Bring them in legally, and have them get paid the same rate and benefits. Right now, they are hired for well below the minimum wage, with no benefits. We had to fight a war to stop slavery in this country, I would rather not start it again.

43 posted on 07/22/2014 11:44:02 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: defconw

A deal. Live long and prosper and then we will debate St Peter. I will remind him that St Thomas said that not defending innocent life, be it your own or others, is a grave sin though so I hope you are on board with that! :-)


44 posted on 07/22/2014 12:48:30 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: redgolum
. Yes, the Know Nothings were anti Catholic in the late 1800’s, but that doesn’t excuse it.

It does explain it.

People who frequent discussion forums like this one are ideological voters. The vast majority of Americans are not. Near as I can tell, the vast majority of Americans vote either democrap or repugnican because their (great) grandparents did. They pay very little attention to what those parties actually claim to represent or support.

45 posted on 07/22/2014 12:55:51 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: NYer

When you use a pic with these two characters and suggest that one is a snake, it might be helpful if you were to be specific as to which one you are referencing. Just a thought.


46 posted on 07/22/2014 3:54:48 PM PDT by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: MHGinTN

Why is your heart weeping today?


47 posted on 07/22/2014 3:57:30 PM PDT by caww
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To: tomsbartoo

I thought it was obvious.


48 posted on 07/22/2014 4:29:53 PM PDT by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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To: jwalsh07
If we are at the gate with St. Peter we should be safe. St. Peter is actually one of my favorite guys. He just about messed everything up. But Jesus built the Church on him. Big lesson in there. :)

Sorry I did not get back on this earlier. Storms in the area and my husband wanted to be fed and have some clean clothes and maybe a little attention. The Nerve! Just kidding.

49 posted on 07/23/2014 4:10:48 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: NorthMountain

Multitudes have been damned (literally) for that.

I see it in my family members who remain in the ELCA. They start supporting things like abortion, gay unions, and loose sex because, well, they are in the ELCA. Never mind about doctrine, faith, or the hope of salvation, they are in the church that their grandfather’s were, so they must follow it even though the faith of their grandfathers was much different.

But I have been told that I do not have a respect for “institutional authority”. Which typically means that I have faith, morals, and will not violate them in order to play nice. I strive (and fail as we all do) to be good, as Christ said to. Nice is the wide path that leads to hell.


50 posted on 07/23/2014 6:01:41 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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