Skip to comments."Jesus Was Not a “Bible Believer” let Alone an Evangelical" (F-word warning)
Posted on 07/22/2014 2:22:53 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
Jesus certainly was not a Bible believer, as we use that term in the post Billy Graham era of American fundamentalist religiosity thats used as a trade-marked product to sell religion. Jesus didnt take the Jewish scriptures at face value. In fundamentalist terms, Jesus was a rule-breaking relativist who wasnt even saved, according to evangelical standards. Evangelicals insist that you have to believe very specific interpretations of the Bible to be saved. Jesus didnt. He undercut the scriptures.
A leper came to Jesus and said, Lord, if you choose, you can make me clean. If Jesus had been a good religious Jew, he would have said, Be healed, and just walked away. Instead, he stretched out his hand and touched the leper, saying, I do choose. Be made clean, even though he was breaking the specific rules of Leviticus. Two chapters teach that anyone touching a person with leprosy is contaminated.
The stories about Jesus that survived the bigots, opportunists and delusional fanatics who wrote the New Testament contain powerful and enlightened truths that would someday prove the undoing of the Church built in his name. Like a futurist vindicated by events as yet undreamed, Jesus message of love was far more powerful than the magical thinking of the writers of the book hes trapped in. In Jesus day the institutions of religion, state, misogyny and myth were so deeply ingrained that the ultimate dangerousness of his life example could not be imagined. For example his feminism, probably viewed as an eccentricity in his day, would prove transformational.
Jesus believed in God rather than in a book about God. The message of Jesus life is an intervention in and an acceleration of the evolution of empathy...
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And this is Francis Schaeffer’s son! He must be rolling over in his grave ... but, he happens to be up in Heaven now.
Seems to me that I read somewhere about Jesus being called “The Word”
I’m glad Francis isn’t around to see Franky embarrass himself. Very sad.
Franky knows the Bible better than this.
17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-20 NIV
What happened to Frankie?
I enjoyed a couple books of his that I read more than 20 years ago now.
One was called Addicted to Mediocrity. I don’t remember the name fo the other.
He almost is making good points or a good argument here, but is so stuck in reactionary mode, he can’t.
Frankie, you’d better read your Dad’s writings again, read the Scriptures again, and reconsider this matter pronto. It’s a serious error you’ve fallen into.
What a pantload of middle-school drivel.
This guy obviously has no idea what scripture teaches.
He also said,
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:17-18)
The Law of Moses, the Law of Messiah and the place of the Law after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ are complex subjects. On the other hand, Frankie is simplistic.
Lol. I'd never heard that before.
I like it.
As I understand it the Bible as we know it today was assembled in the centuries following the death of Jesus. There was a lengthy editing and approval process. There would have been no bible at the time Jesus lived. If I recall he was accepted as the savior by the Catholic church some 30 years after his death. (Donning fireproof PPE. Ducking into hole and pulling dirt in after.)
From the Greek versions of the new testament Jesus is “logos-sarx” or “the word of God become flesh”.
Hmmmm ..?? Wasn’t every Jewish male required to know the Torah ..??
Anybody know ..??
Can you believe this Jesus was not a Bible Believer? Who wrote the Bible the inspired Word of God, or just some drug induced lunatics. So many years later a bunch of people got together and rid the bible of extra writings - the Apocophrya and other intertestamental writings. So franky Schaeffer, believes that Jesus did not believe in the Bible. Franky Jesus does not believe in you Franky.
“Jesus was a rule-breaking relativist who wasnt even ‘saved’,”
Moron, he is God and the Son and perfect he doesn’t need saving.
“There would have been no bible at the time Jesus lived. “
You can’t possibly be serious, because no one who knows anything about the Bible would make such and ignorant statement.
Have you even read the Bible, Old Testament or New, ever???
How many times did Jesus quote from the Old Testament? Do you recall? What scriptures did he quote when tempted by Stan himself?
I will never understand how people like this author pull “facts” out of their rear ends, which are not facts at all, and pretend to be educated. It is laughable.
Have you ever heard of “Moses”? Have you ever heard of the Psalms, written by King David? Have you ever heard of the book of Job? All written before Jesus was born.
None of the text of the “Old Testament” was edited but was copped carefully. Old texts were scrolls. If a scribe made a mistake he was beaten and the scroll destroyed in a ritual.