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"One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic." (Friendly Friday Post, by David Ozab)
Patheos.com ^ | May 13, 2011 | Kurt Willems about David Ozab

Posted on 07/24/2014 7:25:00 PM PDT by Salvation

"One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic." (Friendly Friday Post, by David Ozab)

May 13, 2011 By Kurt Willems

I am excited to have a post here by David Ozab. He is a writer and recently converted to Roman Catholicism. While I do not share his convictions, certainly it is beneficial to hear from others outside of our own sphere of experience. I am pleased to have his guest contribution on the blog…
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There was once a guy who was stranded on a deserted island. After many years, a passing ship found him. As he showed the crew around the island, they were amazed at the many structures he had built for himself:

“So what is that building?”

“That’s my house.”

“And that one over there?”

“My shower and my outhouse.”

“And the oval area over there?”

“A track that I run around daily.”

“And the big building with the steeple?”

“That’s my church.”

The crew looked puzzled. “If that’s your church, then what’s the bigger building with the even taller steeple?”

“That’s the church I used to belong to.”

An old joke that illustrates an ever older problem: schism.

As a former Protestant I can tell you that the witness of Protestantism has always been, (with apologies to Martin Luther, as this wasn’t his intent): “Here I stand . . . and there I go, right out the door to start my own church.” First there was a single Protestant movement, then Luther and Zwingli disagreed over the Eucharist and we got the Lutheran and the Reformed traditions, then some folks thought only adults should be baptized and thus came the Anabaptists. Each disagreement brought a new split and each split created a new denomination. Today there are over a thousand and they just keep splitting. The inevitable result: one billion churches with one member each.

If I wasn’t such a “catholic” at heart, I’d be happy with the First (and Only) Church of David Ozab. No messy disagreements, no cheesy music, and no getting up early for church. I’d attend “St. Mattress by the Bedsprings” each Sunday morning, and if I happened to fall asleep no one would poke me in the ribs. But I know I am called to something else: communion.

When I first felt that call ten years ago, I returned to the church of my baptism: the Episcopal Church. At first it seemed like the perfect place for me. It allowed me to grow in my “lower-case” catholic faith within a context that helped me avoid harder questions. I could put aside differences with the Vatican over clerical celibacy, women’s ordination, contraception, and marriage equality, and keep the aspects of the Catholic faith I liked—the Blessed Virgin, the saints, the Eucharist, the rosary, incense, holy water, etc. “All of pageantry; none of the guilt” is a running joke among liberal Episcopalians.

But was it enough? I kept coming back to the Creed, and specifically to the Four Marks of the Church: “One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.” I said those words every Sunday, but did they apply to my own church?

Holy? Yes. I’ve met many holy men and women through my church—as I have through every Christian denomination. They are as flawed and sinful as I am, yet I could see the Holy Spirit working through them, bringing them and the people around them closer to God.

Catholic? Yes. Not only is Anglicanism spread across the world, it is spread across time through the liturgy. Every day, when I said the offices of Morning and Evening Prayer, and every week, when I attended the celebration of the Eucharist, I prayed together with Christians around the world and throughout time—using the same words that have been said (in English, Latin, or Greek) for almost two thousand years.

Apostolic? Maybe. I knew the validity of Anglican orders had been denied by Rome, but as an Anglican I was used to ignoring the Pope. I also knew that we alone among Protestants had preserved the ordained ministries of Bishops, Priests, and Deacons as an essential part of our tradition.

One? No. Like all the churches born of the Reformation, Anglicanism began in schism and multiplies through schism. REC, ACC, APK, ACNA, etc— an alphabet soup of continuing churches.

“Here I stand . . . and out I go.” Over and over again.

And where was the one place that I found the Four Marks of the Church? In the only communion in Western Christianity that for all its faults takes Christ’s command to “love one another as I have loved you”* seriously: the Catholic Church.

So, after much prayer and discernment, I decided to become Catholic, and at Easter I was received into full communion.

At the height of the Reformation, the Church had few critics more severe than Desiderius Erasmus. Yet to the disappointment of Luther, he refused to leave. His eloquent reason expresses the love all Catholics share for this most holy, yet most human of institutions:

“I will put up with this Church until I see a better one; and it will have to put up with me, until I become better.”**

Here we stand; we can do no other. God help us all.

Amen.

*John 15:12 ** Diarmaid MacCulloch, The Reformation, p. 152



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic
Welcome home, David.
1 posted on 07/24/2014 7:25:00 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Catholic Ping!


2 posted on 07/24/2014 7:33:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Shame on you for posting this divisive and provocative post.

When will you guys learn?


3 posted on 07/24/2014 7:58:15 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Why should I feel shameful in posting David’s story about his conversion?


4 posted on 07/24/2014 8:17:59 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DManA

And to think it came from a non-Catholic site.


5 posted on 07/24/2014 8:18:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

It is chock full of arrow at Protestants. That is why you should be ashamed.


6 posted on 07/24/2014 8:26:56 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


7 posted on 07/24/2014 8:27:29 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I have no idea what you mean.


8 posted on 07/24/2014 8:34:48 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Making the thread "about" another Freeper rather than the subject or issues involved is a form of "making it personal." In this case, telling the poster she should be ashamed rather than saying that the article is shameful is "making it personal."

On the Religion Forum, because the subject matter is particularly sensitive and flame wars ignite easily, ad hominems are not tolerable and thus the main RF guideline is to "discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal."

9 posted on 07/24/2014 8:51:11 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I’m am making an issue of another Freeper aiming arrows at Protestants.


10 posted on 07/24/2014 9:07:01 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Make the issue that arrows are being aimed at Protestants.


11 posted on 07/24/2014 9:08:44 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

What? With You? Are you taking a position?


12 posted on 07/24/2014 9:15:58 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
I do not take positions.

Again, you can complain that arrows are being aimed at Protestants without questioning the poster's motive or behavior. Focusing your argument on the poster is "making it personal."

13 posted on 07/24/2014 9:31:59 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Again, I have no idea what you mean by accusing me of making it “personal”.


14 posted on 07/24/2014 10:18:54 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
It was posted May 13, 2011 to the website being linked, so the guy has reverted for over three years now, at least. It was placed here to irritate those who will not “pope”. We should be wise to these tactics by now and realize that “they” will never learn until and unless they receive the light of the glorious gospel of truth into their hearts. Until then, consoling each other over Christians who get caught up in the nonessential ceremonies and rituals, rather than the truth, and who leave one church for “theirs” will be the brave face put up to stave off the sinking sense of having no clothes on the emperor.
15 posted on 07/25/2014 12:12:25 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Salvation

Welcome Home David!


16 posted on 07/25/2014 4:03:30 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: All

The question I have is, why all the in-fighting among those of us who are CHRISTIAN, be it Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox?

At a time when Christians are being driven out of the Middle East, we who have faith in the Lord should try to discover what we really, really have int common.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 4:07:42 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
You know why. We WILL leave the Church or all the Non-Catholics on here will hound us until we do. But like Erasmus said: "“I will put up with this Church until I see a better one; and it will have to put up with me, until I become better.”**"

BOOM! ;)

18 posted on 07/25/2014 5:06:30 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw

Rather go with this: John 17.


19 posted on 07/25/2014 5:08:14 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: defconw

“That ALL shall be ONE”. AMEN.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 5:09:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl
Well at least I have not heard of any Christians of any kind, beheading anyone. At least not recently, and then it was undoubtedly our side. Or at least we will be blamed. Matters not.

The Holy Catholic Church is a big family and like all families we fight, but we don't leave.

That all shall be one is a pipe dream. It's right there in the Bible. It says mothers will be against daughters etc. Not because we are hoffible it's because of our fallen nature due to original sin etc.

21 posted on 07/25/2014 5:15:41 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw

Yet Jesus prayed for that.


22 posted on 07/25/2014 5:17:22 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

In heaven we will be one. Well at least those that choose heaven. But that’s a whole other story. I don’t want to derail the thread. :)


23 posted on 07/25/2014 5:23:46 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: defconw

True, the world will HATE US, but then again, the world HATED JESUS FIRST.


24 posted on 07/25/2014 5:24:59 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Yep! Proven daily, sadly. But it’s OK.


25 posted on 07/25/2014 5:32:49 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Biggirl

amen


26 posted on 07/25/2014 6:01:30 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: boatbums
It was placed here to irritate

Attributing motive is a form of "making it personal." Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
27 posted on 07/25/2014 12:08:56 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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