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Wanted: a balanced Catholic perspective on immigration
Catholic Culture ^ | July 31, 2014 | Phil Lawler

Posted on 07/31/2014 3:30:27 PM PDT by NYer

For a Christians, it seems, immigration is—or should be—a complicated issue. On the one hand, charity compels those of us who are comfortable to help those who are in need, including those who seek to escape from poverty, crime, or persecution. On the other hand, a legitimate concern for preserving our own law and culture require us to set some restrictions on immigration, lest it become a virtual invasion.

Recently I came across a statement that puts the matter nicely in perspective. It would be nice to see the same balance in statements that issue from Catholic leaders both in the hierarchy and on Capitol Hill. The statement first acknowledges the demands of charity….

The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

… and then acknowledges the need for controls:

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

A nice balance, don’t you think? Wouldn’t the statements from the US bishops’ conference carry more weight if they included that perspective—recognizing the obligation of immigrants to obey the law, for instance? So why don’t we hear this sort of balanced perspective from Catholic leaders?

Oh, wait. We do.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigration; usccb

1 posted on 07/31/2014 3:30:27 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/31/2014 3:30:55 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

That means that "immigrants" have to obey the law where it concerns the LEGAL manner to immigrate.

The Catholic Church MUST take a position that "immigrants" cannot just wander across the border AND EXPECT NOT TO BE DEPORTED!

Anything less is immoral, illegal, not Christ-like!
3 posted on 07/31/2014 3:35:52 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: NYer
The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin.

He lost me right there at the start. Prosperous nations aren't "obliged" to do anything. Individuals may, based on their religious teachings, feel an obligation to help needy immigrants. But the state has no obligation to let immigrants in and force the taxpayer to pay for them. Period.

4 posted on 07/31/2014 3:36:49 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: NYer

Romans 13:1-7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government. The only exception to this is when a law of the government forces you to disobey a command of God (Acts 5:29). Illegal immigration is the breaking of a governmental law. There is nothing in Scripture that contradicts a nation having immigration laws. Therefore, it is a sin, rebellion against God, to illegally enter another country.

Illegal immigration is definitely a controversial issue in the United States (and some other countries) today. Some argue that the immigration laws are unfair, unjust, and even discriminatory – giving individuals justification to immigrate illegally. However, Romans 13:1-7 does not give any permission to violate a law just because it is unjust. Again, the issue is not the fairness of a law. The only biblical reason to violate a governmental law is if that law violates God’s Word. When Paul wrote the book of Romans, he was under the authority of the Roman Empire, led by perhaps the most evil of all the Roman emperors, Nero. Under that reign, there were many laws that were unfair, unjust, and/or blatantly evil. Still, Paul instructed Christians to submit to the government.

Are the immigration laws of the United States unfair or unjust? Some think so, but that is not the issue. All developed countries in the world have immigration laws, some more strict than the USA and some less strict than the USA. There is nothing in the Bible to prohibit a country from having completely open borders or to have completely closed borders. Romans 13:1-7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers. Whether the punishment is imprisonment and/or deportation, or even something more severe, it is within the rights of the government to determine.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the United States have come for the purpose of having a better life, providing for their families, and escaping from poverty. These are good goals and motivations. However, it is not biblical to violate a law to achieve something “good.” Caring for the poor, orphans, and widows is something the Bible commands us to do (Galatians 2:10; James 1:27; 2:2-15). However, the biblical fact that we are to care for the unfortunate does not mean we should violate the law in doing so. Supporting, enabling, and/or encouraging illegal immigration is, therefore, also a violation of God’s Word. Those seeking to emigrate to another country should always obey the immigration laws of that country. While this may cause delays and frustrations, these reasons do not give a person the right to violate a law.

What is the biblical solution to illegal immigration? Simple – don’t do it; obey the laws. If disobedience is not a biblical option, what can be done in regards to an unjust immigration law? It is completely within the rights of citizens to seek to change immigration laws. If it is your conviction that an immigration law is unjust, do everything that is legally within your power to get the law changed: pray, petition, vote, peacefully protest, etc. As Christians, we should be the first to seek to change any law that is unjust. At the same time, we are also to demonstrate our submission to God by obeying the government He has placed in authority over us.

“Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God” (1 Peter 2:13–16).

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/illegal-immigration.html#ixzz395XnWlFP


5 posted on 07/31/2014 3:38:21 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: NYer

Paragraph 2241 in the Catechism.

It doesn’t get more simple than this.

The Catechism is for the laity, a household manual.

The leadership is ignoring it. Certainly the leaders in this country, the USCCB, much like the governmental leaders are ignoring the Constitution and the rule of law.

Particularly the USCCB, in light of the fact that their position on this matter is led by immigrants who are NOT by LAW, to not involved themselves in government and politics. They are immigrants.

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Catechism of the Catholic Church

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.”


6 posted on 07/31/2014 3:38:48 PM PDT by stanne
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To: EBH

balanced?

Between right and wrong??


7 posted on 07/31/2014 3:39:20 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: NYer
recognizing the obligation of immigrants to obey the law, for instance
If they obeyed the law they wouldn't be here in the first place. That's why they're called illegal aliens.
8 posted on 07/31/2014 3:41:12 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: NYer

and here are some citations for that paragraph 2241, and it falls under, according to the lead of the Chapter, the Fourth Commandment:
45 Rom 13:7.
46 Ad Diognetum 5,5 and 10; 6,10:PG 2,1173 and 1176.
47 1 Tim 2:2.
48 Mt 22:21.

Here’s para 2240, just prior:

the life of the political community.

2240 Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good make it morally obligatory to pay taxes, to exercise the right to vote, and to defend one’s country:

Pay to all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.45
[Christians] reside in their own nations, but as resident aliens. They participate in all things as citizens and endure all things as foreigners. . . . They obey the established laws and their way of life surpasses the laws. . . . So noble is the position to which God has assigned them that they are not allowed to desert it.46

The Apostle exhorts us to offer prayers and thanksgiving for kings and all who exercise authority, “that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way.”47


9 posted on 07/31/2014 3:43:36 PM PDT by stanne
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Just why is this guy writing in Catholic Culture and not citing the Catechism?

The paragraph following the 2241, states that people should ignore bad laws.

If this is what the USCCB thinks it’s doing then they need to do three things, in addition to proving why it is bad law:

1. Understand that Garcia and Gomez are not allowed to comment on governmental affairs. They grew up in another country, and are not by law allowed to interfere in our affairs.

2. Comment on the awful law of abortion, and not use ‘can’t interfere with government’ as an excuse

3. Take a cursory look at the state of our economy and see that even if this went according to some dream of theirs, that our kids already owe 250 grand a piece.

AAAHHH!!!


10 posted on 07/31/2014 3:48:06 PM PDT by stanne
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To: NYer
At first I thought Bill O'Weasely wrote this "fair and balanced" perspective piece.

But, gee whillickers, even ole Bill is all gung-ho for dumping the illegals back where they came from.

This naive author is unfortunately a dia late and a peso short in trying to persuade his readers to follow his unrealistic theological Pied piping.

Leni

11 posted on 07/31/2014 3:48:08 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Combined US Senate & House has completely lost its voice, its compass, its patriotism & its soul!)
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To: NYer

Fine but, make it regular and a fixed number.


12 posted on 07/31/2014 3:49:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. “

And how did prosperous nations become prosperous?

This leaves the sh**hole nations off the hook for their own corruption and mismanagement.


13 posted on 07/31/2014 3:50:09 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: NYer
The above argument is like a circular firing squad. What laws/rules does one propose that we obey or live by? IRS tax law? Immigration Law? The Ten Commandments? The Constitution and amendments? Are we to pick and choose to our personal likes and dislikes?

What foolish and damming fodder. We are supposed to be a nation of laws - if we do not like a law then we should change it - but - until it is legally changed and not by whim or inconvenience - we should abide by it - otherwise we will follow the history of other great nations (Roman Empire, Alexander, Attila the Hun, Ottoman Empire, etc, etc.).

Hopefully all our elected officials (local,state and federal) will wake up and do what is right for the legitimate people of The United States before sacrificing our country. No one wants to go down the tubes.

14 posted on 07/31/2014 3:58:03 PM PDT by RichyTea (To those offended - take off your blinders)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Why is he talking in terms of “nations” instead of individuals anyway?

What is a “prosperous nation”?


15 posted on 07/31/2014 4:04:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Right. The teaching is about prosperous people, not nations. The Catholic Left continually twists the obligations of individuals to help the poor into a national obligation to open the US Welfare State to the entire world and have the US taxpayer pay for it. There is absolutely nothing in any teaching that requires the US taxpayer to let the world in and then house and feed them.


16 posted on 07/31/2014 4:08:18 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: NYer

FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


17 posted on 07/31/2014 4:12:33 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Maybe others have already answered this, but let me blunder on ahead anyway.

Our (that is, Catholic) thought is not as centered on “rights” theory as on two strands of thinking that we weave together. One is the OT theme that justice includes generosity and solicitude for the needy. The other is the notion that (a) justice is “rendering what is due”; and (b) the needy, by virtue of being human, are ‘due’ assistance. All this lives under the heading “solidarity.”

Lest this sound like “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need,” the other ‘pole’ of Catholic social thought is “subsidiarity.” This means that while the hungry infant is ‘due’ nourishment, the people who ought to provide it are his family. If they can’t, then the neighborhood, the village, then the county, then the state ... and so forth.

The countries south of the Rio Grande bear a great shame because they have ducked their responsibility. Because mercy is a duty, we bear SOME obligation to care for those they neglect — but not in a way which cripples our own nation or which relieves rich Mexicans from their shame.


18 posted on 07/31/2014 4:22:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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"The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, ..."

I haven't seen the USA referred to as a prosperous nation since constitutionally clueless voters have unthinkingly allowed misguided Democratic socialists to try to destroy it.

Also, with all due respect to the Catholic Church, Church leaders seem to be as clueless about the federal government's constitutionally limited powers as many patriots and general voters evidently are.

More specifically, the Church doesn't seem to be aware that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate immigration, and that the corrupt feds are likely using illegal immigrants as pawns in an attempt by Democratic socialists to continue their work of allegedly destroying the USA.

In fact, if Church leaders understood the federal government's constitutionally limited powers and the importance of enumerated rights versus 10th Amendment-protected state powers, then the Church may not be struggling as hard to protect its religious freedoms by attacks from activist judges and activist lawmakers.

19 posted on 07/31/2014 4:24:03 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

They are bypassing the individual people and the individual Christians, and are going over our heads and instructing governments what to do to us.

This is just politics, not religion.


20 posted on 07/31/2014 4:30:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: GeronL

There is no balance, that is the fallacy of the argument presented. The premise that the church has to balance illegal immigration is biblically wrong.


21 posted on 07/31/2014 4:35:13 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: stanne
2240 Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good make it morally obligatory to pay taxes, to exercise the right to vote, and to defend one’s country

A obvious aspect of "defending one's country" is the necessity of defending its borders against foreign invasion.

Socialist bishops (whose selective reading of the catechism provides them an excuse to stand shoulder to shoulder with those promoting the illegal invasion for political motives, such as Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Deval Patrick) are frauds. Nowhere in the catechism does it state that Catholics are required to volunteer themselves or their families to be victimized, bankrupted and exploited by lawless hordes who are invading their country for financial gain. Furthermore, these churchmen are apparently indifferent to the fact that these are CRIMINALS pouring over the border - criminals who are raping, murdering, pillaging, spreading serious diseases and draining our limited social welfare benefits. Our nation is BROKE. When the benefits inevitably run dry, these invaders will return from whence they came. Meanwhile, they are exploiting the American people with the full support of Church leaders such as Cardinals O'Malley and Gomez.

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Several family members of victims of horrific crimes committed by illegal aliens have invited House Speaker John Boehner to visit the U.S. Border with Mexico with them in a fiery letter provided exclusively to Breitbart News. “As you leave Washington, D.C. to vacation with your families, our families invite you and your entire family to spend the weekend in McAllen, Texas,” the victims' family members wrote to Boehner and other lawmakers Wednesday. “We invite you to see firsthand the invasion and lawlessness that is destroying our beloved country, and how you (and others) have given de facto permission and unfettered access to the perpetrators who have killed our loved ones, leaving our families in complete grief and disbelief as to 'how' this horrific tragedy was allowed! What about our children, Mr. Boehner? Where is the out-cry for OUR children and American families?”...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/07/30/Exclusive-Illegal-Alien-Crime-Victims-Invite-Boehner-His-Family-To-Border-Plead-For-Enforcement

22 posted on 07/31/2014 4:37:37 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

It’s horrible


23 posted on 07/31/2014 5:11:41 PM PDT by stanne
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To: NYer

You will not be hearing a balanced Catholic perspective on immigration from most of the US Bishops and Archbishops. They are a bunch of left wingers who are happy to accept $65 million from Obama & Co. at the same time that Obama & Co. are working to destroy the Christian faith in the USA. They are a bunch of hypocrites, plain and simple, from the Cardinal Archbishop of New York in the East to the Archbishop of Los Angeles in the West.


24 posted on 07/31/2014 5:47:25 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: Mad Dawg
Lest this sound like “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need,” the other ‘pole’ of Catholic social thought is “subsidiarity.”

There is no distinction between communism/socialism and "subsidiarity." Subsidiarity is another just more Catholic BS. It will always devolve into communism.

This means that while the hungry infant is ‘due’ nourishment, the people who ought to provide it are his family. If they can’t, then the neighborhood, the village, then the county, then the state ... and so forth.

This is so idiotic I don't know where to begin. According to your logic its only communism if the parents are rich and the state robs someone else to pay for the infant?? If the state puts a gun to someone's head to rob them to pay for a poor infant then its "subsidiarity"?

See, there is no distinction between communism and subsidiarity except in the minds of Roman Communists who fancy themselves as more righteous than the Marxists of the atheist variety.

25 posted on 07/31/2014 6:04:27 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: GeronL
balanced? Between right and wrong??

Sounds to me like Lawler agrees that the Catholic bishops are unbalanced!

26 posted on 07/31/2014 8:57:39 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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