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Catholic Bishops Say Amnesty for Illegal Immigrant Children Is 'Pro-Life'
Breitbart's Big Government ^ | July 31, 2014 | Dr. Susan Berry

Posted on 08/01/2014 9:47:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Some Catholic bishops have recently suggested that granting amnesty to illegal immigrant children from Central America is consistent with “pro-life” Catholic teachings.

As reported in National Catholic Register, Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh said that providing for the needs of the young illegal immigrants is one facet of a truly pro-life philosophy.

“The Catholic Church responds to humanitarian crises here at home and all across the world because we are pro-life,” Zubik said in a statement on July 19th. “Being pro-life requires we protect and care for vulnerable persons from conception to natural death.”

“Whether they are traveling because of poverty, or violence, or with the hope of reuniting with relatives on the other side of the border,” the bishop continued, “followers of Jesus are called to protect these children and help them because they are very vulnerable and defenseless against any abuse or misfortune.”

“At the same time we respect the rule of law and the right of nations to have secure borders,” Zubik said, adding that “respect” refers to the necessity of the international community to determine why people are fleeing their homelands in the first place.

Similarly, Fr. James Melnick, writing at Catholic Stand, states that the recent words of Bishop Anthony Taylor of the Diocese of Little Rock indicate that pro-life issues and immigration are the top concerns of many dioceses in the South.

“When we talk about social doctrine of immigration, we talk about the right to work and the dignity of the human family,” Melnick wrote.

He points to a recent statement by Taylor who observes that the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has found that 58 percent of the illegal women and children immigrants coming across the U.S. border from Mexico qualify as refugees fleeing persecution....

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholics; dreamers; illegalaliens; immigration

1 posted on 08/01/2014 9:47:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So where does legalized theft from taxpayers stand in the biblical view?


2 posted on 08/01/2014 9:49:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amnesty for illegal immigrants is a political question none of the bishops’ business. As such, no Catholic is bound to support their opinion on the matter.


3 posted on 08/01/2014 9:49:54 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Gamecock; metmom
As reported in National Catholic Register, Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh said that providing for the needs of the young illegal immigrants is one facet of a truly pro-life philosophy....Similarly, Fr. James Melnick, writing at Catholic Stand, states that the recent words of Bishop Anthony Taylor of the Diocese of Little Rock indicate that pro-life issues and immigration are the top concerns of many dioceses in the South.

IB4TBWMA

4 posted on 08/01/2014 9:50:16 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Zubick, (padre) Put them up in your rectory first. Talk to me about it in a month.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 9:50:17 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: blackdog

The substitute priest last Sunday said we should listen to Rachel Maddow. Guess who saved $10?


6 posted on 08/01/2014 9:55:43 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do these guys want to undermine the true “Prolife” coalition? They are doing a good job of it. Next will be that increasing Welfare and Food Stamp payments is “Prolife.”


7 posted on 08/01/2014 9:56:10 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All religious leaders need to butt out of immigration, it is not your business.


8 posted on 08/01/2014 9:56:21 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: massgopguy

Wow. You have to be kidding. Ugh!


9 posted on 08/01/2014 9:57:13 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Illegals Are Getting Flat Screet TV's....NOT TB Screenings!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is coming from a Catholic who is a regular, eliminate the tax exemptions for the Church and earmark the money to take of illegals. The Catholic Church is I believe the largest landowner in the US and all the land is tax free. If the Bishops want to take care of illegals make them pay.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 10:00:43 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Catholic Bishops Say Amnesty for Illegal Immigrant Children Is ‘Pro-Life’”

Oh, shut up.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 10:01:44 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Oh I see - with the Church it is either open borders or you belive in killing in the womb.

Gwad this country has HAS GONE INSANE.
12 posted on 08/01/2014 10:08:39 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hmm. Why don’t I feel sympathetic toward these law breakers??


13 posted on 08/01/2014 10:09:37 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
David Zubik of Pittsburgh said that providing for the needs of the young illegal immigrants is one facet of a truly pro-life philosophy.

More Lawlessness from the Roman "church" !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
14 posted on 08/01/2014 10:50:12 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Catholic bishops are hoping for lots of Young Boys


15 posted on 08/01/2014 10:54:14 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Mrs. Don-o

Nancy Pelosi will be up with this...


16 posted on 08/01/2014 10:55:50 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why would the Catholic denomination want all these Catholic refugees fleeing Catholic countries, to move permanently to a non-Catholic country?


17 posted on 08/01/2014 10:58:22 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

- Sending them back home is not nearly the same thing as killing them.

- Their physical needs ARE being met during the time that they are here (though from reports their medical needs have been fumbled badly)

- The ultimate compassionate Christian thing would be to send them back and reunite them with their parents.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 10:59:51 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ansel12
We'll be a de facto "Catholic country" in 20 years at this rate. Of course, it'll be "liberation theology" left-wing Catholicism.
19 posted on 08/01/2014 11:00:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

They’ve been “fumbling” my health care since I got out of the Army in 1983 and I still can’t dental care. Excuse me if I don’t weep for them.


20 posted on 08/01/2014 11:01:44 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: ansel12
Why would the Catholic denomination want all these Catholic refugees fleeing Catholic countries, to move permanently to a non-Catholic country?

So evangelicals and pentecostals can proselytize them here instead of sending missionaries to Catholic countries... it saves on wear and tear this way apparently.

21 posted on 08/01/2014 11:02:42 AM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The two most powerful institutions that support illegal immigration in this country:

1) The Democrat Party
2) The Catholic Church

As a Catholic I find it appalling.


22 posted on 08/01/2014 11:06:36 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yo Bishop... if you are so concerned tell the church to get their pedophile loving asses down to Honduras and work on the problem there. Sitting in the comfort af a free country you are happy to help destroy is chicken shit.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 11:13:43 AM PDT by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is inhumane to keep those poor children in this country. They must be returned into the loving arms of their parents. It is the humane thing to do. Every child needs parents to nurture them in their development to adulthood, not the US government.

The US is no different than a pedophile who offers a candy bar to lure a child into his car or home to exploit.


24 posted on 08/01/2014 11:21:29 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: C19fan
"The Catholic Church is I believe the largest landowner in the US"

Nope, not even close.

A couple of years ago Ted Turner has lost his title as America's largest individual landowner to John Malone, the television pioneer and chairman of Liberty Media, who now owns 2.2 million acres.

Ted Turner remains a close second with slightly more than 2 million acres in his name.

Most Catholic assets are not actually held by the Catholic Church per se --- meaning dioceses and parishes, which ccount for less than 10%. Most of the assets are separately incorporated non-profit institutions who are less and less under the control of the bishops --- like a hospital system four times larger than the U.S.'s biggest private hospital chain, HCA Holdings, and a network of schools four times larger than the New York City Department of Education.

These hospitals and schools are, as I said, separate from direct Church governance, and more "separate" all the time: which is a historic tragedy, actually, since they're often not "Catholic where it counts" but they still have the name.

The rest of your argument might be OK, but the idea that the Catholic Church in America is land-wealthy or dollar-wealthy is bogus. Many dioceses are closing parishes and teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

25 posted on 08/01/2014 12:23:05 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Lord, save Your people and bless Your inheritance; give victory to the faithful over their adversary)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Catholic Bishops Say Amnesty for Illegal Immigrant Children Is 'Pro-Life'

"We Democrats are not Pro-Life!"

26 posted on 08/01/2014 12:33:43 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We'll be a de facto "Catholic country" in 20 years at this rate. Of course, it'll be "liberation theology" left-wing Catholicism.

WE HAVE A WINNER!

This is why the dims are in such a big favor for this to happen. Lots of new voters who hold big government views.

27 posted on 08/01/2014 1:26:40 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am sorely ignorant when it come to the immigration issue. Are the only two choices amnesty or sending them back home?


28 posted on 08/01/2014 1:53:44 PM PDT by piusv
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To: blackdog

“Hey Zubick, (padre) Put them up in your rectory first.”

Aren’t these “children” supposed to be running away from sexual predators already?


29 posted on 08/01/2014 2:36:43 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: Petrosius

Simply labeling an issue as “political” is a totally slipshod, inadequate way of stating the problem. There is no rational basis for the assertion that the Church has no business speaking on any issue merely because it’s “political.”

Abortion is a “political” issue, but the Church has a clear teaching on the matter: It is an obligation of the State to prohibit and punish abortion because abortion is homicide.

No one is at liberty to disagree with that teaching. Any person who supports “legal” abortion is not a Catholic.

The Church abuses its authority not by speaking on “political” issues, but when clerics take positions on issues about which Catholics are at liberty to disagree with one another.

“The Church” is clamoring for open borders and amnesty. They have no business doing this because Catholics are at liberty to oppose open borders and amnesty.

It has been pointed out to many bishops, many times, that immigrants (Mexican, Asian, whatever) vote 70% pro-abortion. So far, no Catholic bishop has expressed any concern about this fact.

An influx of immigrants from any source country will destroy the pro-life movement. And, since pro-abortion politicians are all wicked, violent, and treasonous, eventually immigrant voters will destroy the country.


30 posted on 08/11/2014 1:38:14 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Next will be that increasing Welfare and Food Stamp payments is “Prolife.”

You're only about 40 years behind the news.

31 posted on 08/11/2014 1:42:05 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan
You misunderstand my point. I meant that it is only political, i.e. something that is up to the prudential judgment of the body politic. The level of immigration that a nation must accept is not a subject of moral teaching and thus does not come under the proper authority of the bishops. The question of abortion, on the other hand, is driven by a moral component: "thou shalt not kill." This should, in a perfect world, raise it above mere politics. Thus, despite the political divisions over abortion, it is a proper topic for the bishops to address.
32 posted on 08/11/2014 1:48:01 PM PDT by Petrosius
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