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What could he be thinking? Pope Apologizes to evangelicals for the Church not collapsing enough
A Blog for Dallas Area Catholics ^ | 8/1/14 | tantumblogo

Posted on 08/01/2014 3:03:42 PM PDT by ebb tide

Posted by Tantumblogo in abdication of duty, Basics, disaster, Ecumenism, error, foolishness, General Catholic, horror, Papa, sadness, scandals, secularism, self-serving, sickness, the return.

I have avoided over the past week or more the incredibly damaging and scandalous actions and statements by Pope Francis with regard to his evangelical buddies in the hopes these scandals might go away. But eventually it became too much to avoid. Apparently, TFG has been meeting and cavorting with these hucksters all summer. Scandal has piled on scandal. This is not a matter of translations, or spin. The statements are too cohesive, too similar, and repetitious to be mere accidents of one kind or another. And the worst of all just occurred.

In a truly incredible statement reported by Sandro Magister in La Repubblica and picked up by Rorate, TFG has apologized for the Church blocking the growth of pentecostal sects:

For example, Bergoglio has spent weeks behind the scenes cultivating relationships with the heads of the powerful “Evangelical” communities of the United States. He has spent hour after hour in their company at his residence in Santa Marta. He has invited them for lunch. He immortalized one of these convivial moments by giving a high five, amid raucous laughter, to Pastor James Robinson, one of the most successful American televangelists.

When no one knew anything about it yet, it was Francis who alerted them about his intention to go visit their Italian colleague in Caserta, and explained the reason: “To extend the apologies of the Catholic Church for the damage that has been done to them by obstructing the growth of their communities.”

Bear in mind, these are the very sects that are absolutely GUTTING the Church in Central and South America! These are the sects that have seen explosive growth in exclusively Catholic areas over the past several decades of liberal heresy. And we are to apologize to them? How about they apologize for all the false lies they spread about the Church and what She believes, for all the souls they have lured away under false pretenses, for all the immense damage they have done to the Body of Christ?

One must ask how any Catholic could even think to apologize for these aggressively hostile and even rapacious sects? But the Pope? How mammoth the indifference to say such………

At some point one has to ask in dismayed wonder, what could he possibly be thinking? He seems to have such an ideologically indifferentist understanding of Christianity and all the horribly erroneous sects that he feels they are fully equivalent to the Church – or maybe quite a bit better. This is, of course, the highly erroneous and incredibly damaging view the radical progressive wing of the Church (if they can be called part of the Church) has been advancing for the past several decades. But it also raises so many stark question as to beggar the imagination:

What is the Holy Father’s view regarding the Blessed Sacrament? These sects don’t have it, Christ said it was necessary for salvation. Does the Holy Father believe such? Pope Francis claims to be very Marian. But the sects hate, attack, besmirch, and revile Our Blessed Mother. How Marian can you be if you so adore these false sects? What about Authority? These sects don’t have it, they are beyond the nice TV veneer a nest of frequently vicious squabbling and mutual loathing. They divide against each other daily into endlessly multiplying and exclusive groups. They are the entire opposite of the Church Christ founded. How can anyone pretend otherwise? What about virtue? Are all these millionaire evangelists like Copeland and Robinson virtuous, selling false “prosperity gospels” to desperate people in exchange for their donations, donations often wrangled from poor lost souls after extensive manipulation? What on earth does the Church have to gain from pretending these shysters are anything but what they are, enemies of the Faith growing rich by stealing deluded souls from the One True Church? How far divorced from reality does a South American prelate have to be to believe the Church has done anything but provide the richest feeding ground for the sects imaginable with all the liberal indifferentism and the trashing of our Ancient Rite and moral code? What opposition? My God, what does TFG want? Nothing left? What can one say at this point? This is simply a period in the Church’s history that will have to be endured, praying and fasting as best we can to ameliorate this catastrophe. God must be sorely displeased with us to inflict us with TFG. I do not know what will be left in 4 or 5 years, but millions of souls will fall away absent one of the greatest miracles in Church history.

Let us forego, however, judgments of the Holy Father’s soul or claims of heresy. That is not for us to make. We can look at objective prudential and semi-official acts and express disagreement and dismay, but not go into formal claims. That is not for us to do.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: apology; apostasy; evangelicals; francis
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1 posted on 08/01/2014 3:03:42 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

It’s hard work trying to be all things to all people. Ask any politician or public figure.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 3:10:22 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: ebb tide
But the sects hate, attack, besmirch, and revile Our Blessed Mother.

Absurd.

3 posted on 08/01/2014 3:17:58 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: ebb tide
Oh, there's plenty of hucksterism to go around. Phony Evangelicals are recognizable by their often ridiculous hair, clothes and TV theatrics. Catholic hucksters are recognizable by their silly frocks, voodoo icons and prayers to Jesus's mom. All fraudulent, all self-serving.

I wouldn't want to be any of these people when Christ returns.

4 posted on 08/01/2014 3:18:29 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: ebb tide

Don’t believe ANYTHING anybody says that isn’t directly sourced from the mouth of the Pope or the Vatican. There are too many pretend “Catholic” organizations financed by Soros.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 3:19:00 PM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: ebb tide

This dude’s got a screw loose and Protestant have Eucharist lite but, we don’t believe in its indispensable utility for salvation.


6 posted on 08/01/2014 3:21:32 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: mgist

Are you kidding?

Fr. Lombardi has a full time job lying and making excuses for the inane un-Catholic ramblings of Pope Francis.


7 posted on 08/01/2014 3:26:14 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Dr. Thorne
I wouldn't want to be any of these people when Christ returns.

I wouldn't want to be you, either.

8 posted on 08/01/2014 3:27:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Gamecock; metmom
In a truly incredible statement reported by Sandro Magister in La Repubblica and picked up by Rorate, TFG has apologized for the Church blocking the growth of pentecostal sects:

For example, Bergoglio has spent weeks behind the scenes cultivating relationships with the heads of the powerful “Evangelical” communities of the United States. He has spent hour after hour in their company at his residence in Santa Marta. He has invited them for lunch. He immortalized one of these convivial moments by giving a high five, amid raucous laughter, to Pastor James Robinson, one of the most successful American televangelists....

....Bear in mind, these are the very sects that are absolutely GUTTING the Church in Central and South America! These are the sects that have seen explosive growth in exclusively Catholic areas over the past several decades of liberal heresy. And we are to apologize to them? How about they apologize for all the false lies they spread about the Church and what She believes, for all the souls they have lured away under false pretenses, for all the immense damage they have done to the Body of Christ?

One must ask how any Catholic could even think to apologize for these aggressively hostile and even rapacious sects? But the Pope?

The man's name is James Robison, not James Robinson. And last I heard, he hasn't been "aggressively hostile" to anyone. Not like the Southern Baptists have been, anyway

IB4TPWMA

9 posted on 08/01/2014 3:31:47 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

” And last I heard, he hasn’t been “aggressively hostile” to anyone.”

I’m not defending anyone here, but the quote said “aggressively hostile and even rapacious sects”.

Sects. Not any particular person like Robison.

Reading is fundamental.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 3:36:15 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Alex Murphy

I am Southern Baptist and I have never heard anyone talk about Catholics, either pro or con.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 3:49:10 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: ebb tide

He’s an Obama discipline - following in Obama footsteps - fundamentally transforming the church and going on an apology tour.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 3:51:29 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Dr. Thorne

You like to insult Catholics. There are many Catholic Freepers.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 4:07:46 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: ebb tide

One has to truly wonder whether this guy ever held the Catholic Faith.


14 posted on 08/01/2014 4:30:07 PM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide
Bear in mind, these are the very sects that are absolutely GUTTING the Church in Central and South America! These are the sects that have seen explosive growth in exclusively Catholic areas over the past several decades of liberal heresy.

Nobody is forcing people to convert to their churches.

If people are leaving the Catholic church in droves, then perhaps instead of blaming others, they could investigate and find out WHY people are willing to leave what Catholics teach is the OTC.

15 posted on 08/01/2014 4:33:46 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

And am I the only one who doesn’t know what TFG stands for?


16 posted on 08/01/2014 4:55:41 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv

No.


17 posted on 08/01/2014 4:57:49 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Vendome

Why must Catholics apologize for the curse of the Eeformation? As noted English essayist Hillaire Belloc wrote unlike other heresies like Islam, Protestantism “spawned a host of heresies.”


18 posted on 08/01/2014 5:23:56 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I have no idea why Catholics should.

I got no problem with em.

In fact, I’m finding their beliefs fascinating and a real joy to learn about.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 5:27:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: ebb tide

We go from Reagan, Walesa and John Paul II to 0, putin and this loser clown.


20 posted on 08/01/2014 5:38:38 PM PDT by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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To: metmom

I agree with your first paragraph.

But what is OTC?


21 posted on 08/01/2014 5:40:00 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“Over The Counter” as in Prilosec, OTC ;-)


22 posted on 08/01/2014 5:41:25 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad

Thanks.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 5:44:05 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: MamaB; boatbums

Catholics like to wear the martyr badge.

It seems to make them feel good to somehow think that everyone is talking about them behind their backs.

Like boatbums said, PPPP - poor, pitiful, persecuted papists.

Everyone is out to get them. Poor babies.


24 posted on 08/01/2014 6:19:25 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: piusv

Would it surprise you?

I don’t know if you believe in the end times teachings as Protestants/Evangelicals see it in Scripture, but IMO, this sort of thing is the perfect set up for the rise of the anti-Christ, the false prophet, and the one world government.

The technology is in place to effect it, and it seems that people are being put in positions of power to enact it.

Might want to give it some thought if you don’t because it seems to be a little more than co-incidental to me.


25 posted on 08/01/2014 6:22:51 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

OTC = One True Church


26 posted on 08/01/2014 6:23:29 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

I have been Baptist since the late 1950’s and not once have I heard a minister mention Catholics.. In fact, when we have programs with lots of non members attending, our minister will tell them to find a Bible believing church to be active in. He never says you have to become a member of our church. I just do not understand their belief that they are on everyone else’s minds.


27 posted on 08/01/2014 6:50:31 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: ebb tide

What does the word “pontifex” mean?


28 posted on 08/01/2014 6:54:06 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: metmom

Thanks. Unfortunately, we Catholics now have a pope who apparently doesn’t believe in a OTC.

Doesn’t give us “sour-puss”, “self-absorbed, Promethean neo-Pelagian”, rosary-counters” much of a leg to stand on.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 7:01:07 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

There’s always Jesus.

He’s the same yesterday, today, and forever, and when men fail us, as they will, He is always there.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 7:03:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
There’s always Jesus.

True! And I see Him, Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity at every Mass. Thanks for the encouraging words!

31 posted on 08/01/2014 7:12:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: piusv; ebb tide
We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff." - Pope Boniface VIII, Bull Unam Sanctam

Doesn't sound like you guys get to choose.

32 posted on 08/01/2014 9:45:37 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Except when they’re not the pope. Which is why I hold to the sedevacantist view regarding the crisis in the Church these days. With each passing day, this guy, more than any other post Vatican II pope, looks more and more like an anti-pope.


33 posted on 08/02/2014 4:15:00 AM PDT by piusv
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To: metmom

I wouldn’t be surprised if these are the end times. Catholic prophecy also speaks of these times and more and more it looks like the Great Apostasy could be upon us.


34 posted on 08/02/2014 4:29:40 AM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
Which is why I hold to the sedevacantist view regarding the crisis in the Church these days

A couple of years ago, that viewpoint would have got you ran on this forum. Best stay off the caucus threads with this admission.

35 posted on 08/03/2014 2:11:16 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

Oh, I’ve heard. That’s okay. I follow the rules here even if I consider myself just as much of a Catholic as those who say I’m not.


36 posted on 08/03/2014 5:04:38 PM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide; metmom; F15Eagle
But the sects hate, attack, besmirch, and revile Our Blessed Mother.

As far as I know the only issue we have is that y'all make her into an idol.

37 posted on 08/03/2014 5:54:35 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: Gamecock; metmom; F15Eagle

Look up latria, hyperdulia, and dulia.

And maybe then you’ll stop the lies about Catholics and idols.


38 posted on 08/03/2014 6:08:42 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Idolators always come up with rationale and excuses. On that grand and terrifying day we will be called into account all sin, to include idolatry of Mary. Well those that do so anyway.


39 posted on 08/03/2014 6:12:52 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: Gamecock

Why do y’all though money at Joel Olsteen’s every footstep?


40 posted on 08/03/2014 6:22:01 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

You can call it what you want.

Bowing down is bowing down and the second commandment forbids bowing down to images.

No one is against respecting and honoring her, but we are against elevating her above and beyond what is written, being a respecter of persons, and praying to her for ANYTHING, which we are never commanded to do.


41 posted on 08/03/2014 6:49:18 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide; Gamecock

Now THERE is a broad brush.

Can you point to ONE non-Catholic, besides the obvious one, who gives Osteen ANY credibility?

Cause it certainly isn’t Gamecock.


42 posted on 08/03/2014 6:50:44 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; Gamecock

I will; as soon as you name one Catholic who worships Mary as an idol.


43 posted on 08/03/2014 6:57:10 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; metmom

Do you pray the Hail Mary?


44 posted on 08/03/2014 6:58:58 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: ebb tide

though?


45 posted on 08/03/2014 6:59:54 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: ebb tide; metmom

Osteen?

Bwahaaa! The man is a motivation speaker imitating a preacher.

I assure you I have not given the man one cent. Suggest you do the keyword search YBPDLN. You will see exactly how many FR folks support his work.


46 posted on 08/03/2014 7:01:50 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: ebb tide

I didn’t say anything about worshiping. All Catholics deny worshiping Mary. Accusing a Catholic of worshiping Mary is an exercise in futility and is unprovable as no one can mind read.

However, that wasn’t my point. The point is bowing down, and lots of Catholics bow down.

Bowing down is breaking the second commandment. God says not to bow down to images.

So, if you immediately equate bowing down with worshiping as a default reaction, then it really does reinforce our point, that it IS worship and that by bowing down, Catholics, along with everyone else, recognize that bowing down IS worshiping.


47 posted on 08/03/2014 7:22:41 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide
I will; as soon as you name one Catholic who worships Mary as an idol.

I asked first.

After you......

Because otherwise, it is just deflection to get it off topic and avoid answering the question asked of you.

48 posted on 08/03/2014 7:24:45 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

So who is bowing down? And who are they bowing towards?

It sounds like you’re making things up.

I bow my head whenever I say or hear Jesus’s name; and that’s it.


49 posted on 08/03/2014 7:27:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Gamecock

“throw”

Thanks for the correction.


50 posted on 08/03/2014 7:28:12 PM PDT by ebb tide
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