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Sign of peace at Mass: Vatican says it stays put, but urges education (more details)
cns ^ | August 1, 2014 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 08/01/2014 3:52:44 PM PDT by NYer


Congregants exchange the sign of peace at a Mass in February before a charity motorcycle ride led by Miami Archbishop Thomas G. Wenski to benefit a Catholic Charities' center for alcohol and drug rehabilitation. (CNS/Tom Tracy)

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The sign of peace at Mass has not always led to serenity among liturgists or within the congregations gathered each Sunday in Catholic churches around the world.

After nine years of study and consultation, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments has told Latin-rite bishops around the world that the sign of peace will stay where it is in the Mass.

However, the congregation said, "if it is foreseen that it will not take place properly," it can be omitted. But when it is used, it must be done with dignity and awareness that it is not a liturgical form of "good morning," but a witness to the Christian belief that true peace is a gift of Christ's death and resurrection.

The text of the congregation's "circular letter" on "the ritual expression of the gift of peace at Mass," was approved by Pope Francis and posted in Spanish on the website of the Spanish bishops' conference. Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, Vatican spokesman, confirmed its authenticity Aug. 1.

Catholic News Service obtained a copy of the letter in English.

In 2005, members of the Synod of Bishops on the Eucharist adopted a formal proposition questioning whether the sign of peace might be better placed elsewhere in the Mass, for example at the end of the prayer of the faithful and before the offering of the gifts.

Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, current prefect of the congregation, and Archbishop Arthur Roche, the congregation's current secretary, said Pope Benedict XVI had asked the congregation to study the matter and, after doing so, in 2008 it asked bishops' conferences around the world whether to keep the sign of peace where it is or move it to another moment "with a view to improving the understanding and carrying out of this gesture."

"After further reflection," the letter said, "it was considered appropriate to retain the rite of peace in its traditional place in the Roman liturgy and not to introduce structural changes in the Roman Missal."

But that does not exclude the need for new or renewed efforts to explain the importance of the sign of peace so that the faithful understand it and participate in it correctly, the congregation's letter said.

It asked bishops to study whether it might be time to find "more appropriate gestures" to replace a sign of peace using "familiar and profane gestures of greeting."

And, it said, they should do everything possible to end "abuses" such as:

-- "The introduction of a 'song for peace,' which is nonexistent in the Roman rite."

-- "The movement of the faithful from their places to exchange the sign of peace amongst themselves."

-- "The departure of the priest from the altar in order to give the sign of peace to some of the faithful."

-- People using the sign of peace at Christmas, Easter, baptisms, weddings, ordinations and funerals to offer holiday greetings, congratulations or condolences.

"Christ is our peace, the divine peace, announced by the prophets and by the angels, and which he brought to the world by means of his paschal mystery," the letter said. "This peace of the risen Lord is invoked, preached and spread in the celebration (of Mass), even by means of a human gesture lifted up to the realm of the sacred."

In some Catholic liturgical traditions, it said, the exchange of peace occurs before the offering in response to Jesus' exhortation in Matthew 5:23-24: "If you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you, leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift."

But in the Latin rite, the letter said, the exchange of peace comes after the consecration because it refers to "the 'paschal kiss' of the risen Christ present on the altar." It comes just before the breaking of the bread during which "the Lamb of God is implored to gives us his peace."



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1 posted on 08/01/2014 3:52:44 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/01/2014 3:53:07 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

In the Spanish Mass, it’s common to have a song during the sign of peace, often one that segues smoothly into the Cordero de Dios.

I suppose we’ll have to stop that in a decade or so, if this suggestion filters down to the parish level. Won’t bother me - I like to use that time to threaten my kids with death and dismemberment.


3 posted on 08/01/2014 4:01:55 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: NYer

Pope Benedict once expressed a desire that Catholics return to receiving Holy Communion on the tongue while kneeling, at least in his presence.

That didn’t take too well and I don’t expect this “recommendation” will either.


4 posted on 08/01/2014 4:05:27 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NYer

Barbarians at the gate. And this garbage. How many angels fit on the head of a pin?


5 posted on 08/01/2014 4:30:54 PM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: NYer

I want nothing to do with this fraud part of mass.
Stop it now.


6 posted on 08/01/2014 4:36:06 PM PDT by Post5203 (For the first time in my life, I despise this country.)
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To: NYer
...the letter said, "it was considered appropriate to retain the rite of peace in its traditional place in the Roman liturgy and not to introduce structural changes..."
But that does not exclude the need for new or renewed efforts to explain the importance of the sign of peace so that the faithful understand it and participate in it correctly, the congregation's letter said.

This is key. I remember being a somewhat quizzical if not sometimes stingy giver until our pastor took the time to explain the spiritual foundations and results of tithing in great detail over several weeks. It was life-changing, sort of like when doctors discovered hand-washing before surgery. Now it is a much more spiritually profitable investment.

7 posted on 08/01/2014 4:49:07 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: NYer
It's good to get the official word from Rome.
And it's fun to await for the usual Pope bashers and Catholic haters to add their 2 cents.
How empty and vapid their lives must be.
8 posted on 08/01/2014 4:55:59 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Post5203

I agree. It’s the part of the Mass that has never set right with me.


9 posted on 08/01/2014 5:11:15 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa

“I agree. It’s the part of the Mass that has never set right with me.”

Good to have standards, even if based on personal feelings. Sola Feela.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 5:13:06 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I long to hear a Mass in Latin.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 5:14:05 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa

“I long to hear a Mass in Latin.”

My dad always said the same thing. I long to visit my grandparents home where I spent so many significant times as a kid. Sold long ago.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 5:16:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I hear you. “The Trip To Bountifull’’.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 5:18:54 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa
Come to my parish it's probably no where near you but people move here from across the country just to be a part of it.
14 posted on 08/01/2014 5:19:33 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: NYer

Originally from the title, I thought it had to do with Ebola transmission or communicable disease threats from UACs...


15 posted on 08/01/2014 5:20:36 PM PDT by mikrofon (Catholic BUMP)
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To: Legatus

Thank you so much friend in Christ for your generous invitation. However I live and work in NJ.


16 posted on 08/01/2014 5:21:40 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa

Being philosophical for a brief frmoment in time... I’ve begun to think the yearning for cherished memories, places and relationships is part of the yearning for eternity God places in the heart of every human... A desire for whole ness, perfection, lasting fulfillment, etc., that will only be satisfied in His presence.

“... He has set eternity in their hearts.” Eccles. 3:11

St. Augustine’s Confessions (Lib 1,1-2,2.5,5: CSEL 33, 1-5) “You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it rests in you.”

Blessings to your heart...


17 posted on 08/01/2014 5:27:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: jmacusa
However I live and work in NJ.

Lol yeah I understand. We did just have a man call from Kansas who is looking to move his family here for the parish. About one family a month or so move here for that reason.

Metro Greenville has never stopped booming, there are lots of employment opportunities. Gas is only $3.15 a gallon here right now too. Anyone who is looking to rediscover Catholicism is welcome to come to the buckle of the Bible Belt to find it. :)

18 posted on 08/01/2014 5:34:27 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: jmacusa

“I long to hear a Mass in Latin.”

You and me both.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 5:38:15 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Post5203

Amen!!!


20 posted on 08/01/2014 5:40:43 PM PDT by coloradomomba (Lord God...please use me.)
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To: NYer

I hate it, hate hate it, hate it. It brings me no peace. It is disruptive and phony. If we must greet one another with peace, it should be done at the beginning of Mass.


21 posted on 08/01/2014 6:06:17 PM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Make that 3 of us.


22 posted on 08/01/2014 6:09:02 PM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: NYer

For this Catholic, I find it so misplaced. If we are going to have the so called sign of peace, then why not at the very beginning of the Mass. Where it is now, it is quite disruptive to the liturgy. All of a sudden, we stop at just about the most sacred parts of the Mass. Then we are supposed to pick up again, almost as if nothing had happened when we should have been paying attention to the priest who is about to commence the celebration of the Holy Eucharist distribution.

Oh, and by the way, doesn’t anyone in this Vatican have something more important to be emphasizing every hour of every day, that being the slaughter of thousands of Christians in the Middle East and Africa by Muslim fanatics.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 6:26:02 PM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: Tax-chick
I like to use that time to threaten my kids with death and dismemberment.

You are a GOOD mother!

24 posted on 08/01/2014 6:27:09 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NYer
it was considered appropriate to retain the rite of peace in its traditional place in the Roman liturgy

This is where the priest offers the deacon (if any) the Sign of Peace, and that's it. Anything else/more is bogus and an error.

25 posted on 08/01/2014 6:32:19 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: cloudmountain

I have the point, the snap, the hiss, the throat-cutting gesture, the mock gunshot ... as I stand there in front of God and everyone leading the choir.


26 posted on 08/01/2014 6:32:34 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: CdMGuy
Since we go to Mass to hear the Word of God and MOST importantly to receive the BODY, BLOOD, SOUL and DIVINITY of our Lord, Jesus Christ, anything else is "chump change" and not worth or worthy getting one's shorts all bunched up.

WHO CARES about the sign of peace?
The BODY, BLOOD, SOUL and DIVINITY of our Lord, Jesus Christ, is what is crucial!

PRIORITIES!

27 posted on 08/01/2014 6:36:15 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Tax-chick
I have the point, the snap, the hiss, the throat-cutting gesture, the mock gunshot ... as I stand there in front of God and everyone leading the choir.

HAHAHA! I gotcha!
I would be MEZMERIZED by your antics.

I can tell that you LOVE it.

28 posted on 08/01/2014 6:38:35 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

In our “multipurpose parochial facility,” not a canonical church, the side where the choir is located gets the families who need a quick exit when one or more of their children stages a disaster. All the parents are in sympathy!

Sometimes everyone just throws up their hands and hopes Father is lost in contemplation (or dozing). When you’ve got 4, 6, 8 children all perpetrating a catastrophe, sometimes you just have to suffer.

Our previous pastor was nearly deaf; that helped.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 6:42:55 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: cloudmountain
WHO CARES about the sign of peace?

It's part of the lex orandi/lex credendi thing. How we worship God (or don't as the case may be) is important. I can barely remember the sign of peace it's been so long since I attended a New Mass but I do remember it being very jarring and disorienting.

30 posted on 08/01/2014 6:43:41 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: cloudmountain
anything else is "chump change"

So no issue of liturgical compliance has any importance whatsoever? Each priest and parish is free to experiment, innovate, 'progress'? Why not just serve the Hosts in a drive-though? You're protestant not Catholic.

31 posted on 08/01/2014 6:44:00 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: NYer

If anyone looking like that approached me at a Mass I would assume it was a black mass and run the other direction.

32 posted on 08/01/2014 6:46:04 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

I would say, “Peace be with you, sir. Cool jacket!”


33 posted on 08/01/2014 6:47:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Tax-chick

I would say something nice to you no matter how you were dressed.


34 posted on 08/01/2014 6:50:33 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

That’s good, because I buy clothes at The Salvation Army.


35 posted on 08/01/2014 6:51:18 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: steve86

But seriously, if I had weird piercings, tattoos, and a hair color not found in nature, like Jamie-my-Hairdresser, I hope you’d still smile and say, “Peace of Christ.”


36 posted on 08/01/2014 6:52:47 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Tax-chick
Cool jacket!”

Which is exactly why the entire rite should be eliminated, I don't have a horse in the novus ordo race anymore but I think the idea that you're suddenly focused on the man's jacket is proof that the situation has gotten completely out of hand.

37 posted on 08/01/2014 6:53:26 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: Legatus

I think it’s a way of making a person feel welcome, as an individual, in our parish, just as I would say, “Your daughters look adorable today!” to one of the mothers.

But whatever ... until someone with the ultimate authority says we all have to be the same, we don’t all have to be the same.


38 posted on 08/01/2014 6:55:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Tax-chick
I wouldn't be at the New Mass.

But I realize people go through phases and sometimes unusual dress or accoutrements may be part of that. I do not assume that individual is a bad person, but sometimes questionable for parenting (like a relative you've heard about).

39 posted on 08/01/2014 6:56:44 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Tax-chick
That’s good, because I buy clothes at The Salvation Army.

60-80% of mine from one thrift store or another, or in the closet since the 80s.

40 posted on 08/01/2014 6:58:28 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Lots of weirdness going on in life, that’s for sure.


41 posted on 08/01/2014 6:58:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: steve86

I have a pair of shoes from the 80s.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 6:59:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Tax-chick

My wife just told me not more than 30 minutes ago that a friend’s daughter (similar to my wife’s problem daughter) has started growling and threatening to kill her mother and has more or less abandoned her children. Sounds like demonic possession or a good imitation, but the daughter had a brain injury a year ago so who knows. Lots of weird stuff.


43 posted on 08/01/2014 7:03:00 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: NYer

Two weeks ago I heard a nice historical lesson on the kiss of peace, and how it was symbolic, and had to be dispensed with in congregations of both sexes. The placement in the liturgy was also discussed. The priest mentioned “reaching across the pews” as being particularly out of character. A Pius X service with a brilliant sermon to boot.


44 posted on 08/01/2014 7:03:46 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: steve86

Oh, gosh. I’ll pray for those people tonight.


45 posted on 08/01/2014 7:03:51 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: NYer

**And, it said, they should do everything possible to end “abuses” such as:

— “The introduction of a ‘song for peace,’ which is nonexistent in the Roman rite.”

— “The movement of the faithful from their places to exchange the sign of peace amongst themselves.”

— “The departure of the priest from the altar in order to give the sign of peace to some of the faithful.”**

End the abuses!


46 posted on 08/01/2014 7:05:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tax-chick
I think it’s a way of making a person feel welcome, as an individual, in our parish

Different people react differently to "reaching out". I, like many trads and more reticent people in general, react poorly. Generally the most we do is a slight nod in the parking lot, although some of the ladies visit with each other and their kids after Mass.

47 posted on 08/01/2014 7:07:14 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Prayers for this woman.

Do you have an exorcist in your diocese?


48 posted on 08/01/2014 7:08:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: steve86
Different people react differently to "reaching out".

That's certainly true, and it's why I'm happy that there are traditional groups as well as parishes like mine, where all the kids want to see the guy's motorcycle after Mass.

49 posted on 08/01/2014 7:09:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks, The mother and father are actually extremely nice people and attend church regularly. The father actually just published a nice Christian book.


50 posted on 08/01/2014 7:10:27 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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