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Muslim movement accepts once-taboo causes
Associated Press ^ | Aug 2, 2014 9:20 AM EDT | Gillian Flaccus

Posted on 08/02/2014 7:34:31 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Omar Akersim prays regularly and observes the dawn-to-dusk Ramadan fast. He is also openly gay.

Akersim, 26, is part of a small but growing number of American Muslims challenging the long-standing interpretations of Islam that defined their parents’ world. They believe that one can be gay and Muslim; that the sexes can pray shoulder-to-shoulder; that females can preach and that Muslim women can marry outside the faith—and they point to Quran passages to back them up.

The shift comes as young American Muslims work to reshape the faith they grew up with so it fits better with their complex, dual identity, with one foot in the world of their parents’ immigrant beliefs and one foot in the ever-shifting cultural landscape of America. The result has been a growing internal dialogue about what it means to be Muslim, as well as a scholarly effort to re-examine the Quran for new interpretations that challenge rules that had seemed set in stone. …

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Islam; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: femaleclerics; homosexualagenda; rop; taqiyyah
FTR, the word “jihad” was curiously omitted.
1 posted on 08/02/2014 7:34:31 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“we are very much welcoming de women to be participating in jeeeehad”


2 posted on 08/02/2014 7:36:14 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: Olog-hai

If you can “reshape” a face then it is not Faith.


3 posted on 08/02/2014 7:36:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Olog-hai

**They believe that one can be gay and Muslim; that the sexes can pray shoulder-to-shoulder; that females can preach and that Muslim women can marry outside the faith—and they point to Quran passages to back them up. **

Getting out the popcorn.


4 posted on 08/02/2014 7:37:32 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Olog-hai
Islam has a place for gay men.

Ironically, it's under a stonewall.

5 posted on 08/02/2014 7:38:44 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Olog-hai

“Moderate” Muslims are Muslim the way most of the UCC and UMC are Christian.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 7:41:53 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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To: Olog-hai

That’s because it is okay under Muslim law to “be gay” when you are on a Jihad.


7 posted on 08/02/2014 7:45:43 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: arthurus

I agree with your statement but freedom of religion means they can worship as they wish. Though I do not agree with their tenets, I see this as a good sign.

I see two paths for the world. Either there is a reform movement in Islam or at some time in the future an Islamic caliphate will drag us into WWIII.

Islam is a supremacist, totalitarian ideology. Hopefully this group will not be the only reform group.

The Christian parallel is the protestant movement which consists of many sects, Baptist, Methodist, etc.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 7:49:10 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: Olog-hai

the only movemment most of them need to make is back to Arabia


9 posted on 08/02/2014 8:01:59 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: Olog-hai

Omar Akersim needs to go to Saudi Arabia or Iran and be openly gay.... he’ll quickly retreat to conservative Islam.... just before he’s executed!


10 posted on 08/02/2014 8:05:53 AM PDT by Ranger Warrior
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To: Olog-hai

What a bunch of baloney. Sounds like something AP would promote, the idea that Muslims are assimilating by becoming liberals! Of course, secular liberals and Muslims work together because both groups hate traditional Western civilization. But if the Muslims take over, their former secular liberal allies would be the first to go. It’s likely to happen in Europe in a few decades.


11 posted on 08/02/2014 8:06:56 AM PDT by River Hawk
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To: Salvation
A Short Course on Shariah & the Muslim Brotherhood

1. What Is Shariah?

2. How Does Shariah Define Jihad?

3. ‘Civilization Jihad’ – the Muslim Brotherhood’s Potent Weapon

4. True Lies – the Paradox of Debating Shariah

5. Taqiyya – A Concept of Deceit that Security Professionals Must Know

6. Slander – How it is Used and Abused Under Shariah

7. How Shariah ‘Blasphemy’ Laws are Being Imposed On Us

8. What is the Muslim Brotherhood and How Does it Operate?

9. Genesis of the Muslim Brotherhood

10. Movement of the Muslim Brotherhood into the West

11. The Muslim Brotherhood’s Westward Infiltration

12. The Muslim Brotherhood in America

13. The Holy Land Trial: On the Trail of the Muslim Brotherhood

14. The Muslim Brotherhood’s ‘Strategic Plan’

15. Penetration of the US Government: A Case Study

16. Mapping the Muslim Brotherhood in America

17. Who’s Who in the American Muslim Brotherhood .

12 posted on 08/02/2014 8:08:29 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Olog-hai

Man on the run...

“Last year, he fled his parents’ home in the middle of the night after they called him at work and demanded to know when he was going to get married. He stays in touch with his mother, but hasn’t spoken to his father in a year and a half.”

“Now, he avoids mosques but prays privately. He has no regrets about coming out, he said.”


13 posted on 08/02/2014 8:41:13 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Olog-hai

I talk with people that travel the middle east regularly and they will tell you there is a huge number of gay men. They don’t advertise it but the percentage is much higher than it is here. This of course varies according to where they are.

Women are for marrying and producing offspring but that doesn’t slow them with their gay activities.


14 posted on 08/02/2014 8:44:58 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Olog-hai

Ironically, no amount of bombs and missiles can weaken Islam as much as the virus of liberalism. Nobody in power within Christiandom follow Bible literally after five hundred years of steady supply of liberalism. With the fast paced information age, Islam can be made impotent within decades.


15 posted on 08/02/2014 8:55:32 AM PDT by sagar
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To: boycott

Muslim saying: “For children a woman, for pleasure a boy”


16 posted on 08/02/2014 9:05:38 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Salvation

want me to bring the soda, butter, and salt?


17 posted on 08/02/2014 9:05:46 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: arthurus
If you can “reshape” a face then it is not Faith.

Faith and a faith are two different things, aren't they?

Faiths do morph in that new "inventions" occur. The Bible didn't have our vehicles, modern chemicals, travel abilities, etc. But the SINS involved in those things are still the same: PRIDE, greed, gluttony, etc., aren't they?

18 posted on 08/02/2014 9:12:53 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: sagar
I wonder what God's plan was/is in allowing Islam to even exist. He IS the Master Planner of the universe, so it WAS His will.

Well, I'm not second-guessing Our Lord, just musing.

19 posted on 08/02/2014 9:14:43 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: sagar

It’s the so-called “information” age that has helped Islam proliferate. Ever count the jihad websites out there?


20 posted on 08/02/2014 9:15:02 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: joshua c

“I see two paths for the world. Either there is a reform movement in Islam or at some time in the future an Islamic caliphate will drag us into WWIII.”

It’s been tried before. The Islamic caliphate. Big difference now is there will be Nukes involved. “We” will always have more than “them” tho.....But it will be ugly.

The first Nuke one of these idiots set off will bring new meaning to “bomb them back to the stone age.” Or at least it should. But, we get another one like Obama and they’ll probably just want to talk it out.......


21 posted on 08/02/2014 9:17:21 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: Gaffer

Taqiyya. Anything to fool the infidel. Even this putz.


22 posted on 08/02/2014 9:20:30 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Olog-hai

“It’s the so-called “information” age that has helped Islam proliferate. Ever count the jihad websites out there?”

Sorry, but Islam being a cancerous tumor, can spread with or without “information”. In fact, it spread from Atlantic to Pacific rapidly even 1500 years ago. My point is that Jihadists would have spread regardless.

With the information age, there are two things happening: first, non-muslims are aware of Islam and what it is capable of. Second, non-jihadi muslims are infected with western liberalism—ever seen Iranian, Egyptian, Lebanese, and Turkish pop culture? Just give time for the liberalism virus to spread internally — Islam will surely be de-fanged.


23 posted on 08/02/2014 9:28:30 AM PDT by sagar
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To: Olog-hai

Nice, they go from 1side of evil, right to another side. But this one sounds kindled and gentler, right? The path to hell is straight and easy, and the gateis wide.


24 posted on 08/02/2014 9:37:58 AM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: joshua c
Legitimate religion is based on objective truth. Any form of religion that serves to suppress and subdue through violence is not legitimate. If we posit that any religion is legitimate, what do we say when a tenant of one system calls for the annihilation of all others? Do we grant them that freedom? President Adams saw it coming, and properly characterized Islam.

Islam is losing its orthodoxy here in the states, because the states have no central institution of theology. There is no anchor. This results in a crisis of HERMENEUTICS. It is no different than Christian denominations losing their orthodoxy as a result of doing the same. We are not talking about preference in worship. We are talking about core doctrine.

Your hermeneutics dictates which flock you belong to. For example, a fundamental, orthodox Christian uses a LITERAL, GRAMMATICAL, and HISTORICAL approach to biblical interpretation, or LGH for short.

If you are not orthodox, you will have abandoned these simple rules.

Roy Zuck's "Basic Bible Interpretation" is a popular college text on the subject.

The Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, and Quakers (among others), all had in them (at their founding) a basic understanding of hermeneutics which led to a consistent core doctrine. Pentecostals for their part, are a good example of violating basic hermeneutics; although it must be stated that they have the MAIN THING correct: Jesus Christ.<[> Jehovas Witness and LDS are examples of hermeneutics so distorted, they have settled on damnable heresies. Not a good place to be. In Islam, you see the same thing. Many parts of Islam has mysticism. That speaks to their adopted hermeneutic: they invited folk religion into the mix. Given the poor quality of writing in the Quran and Hadiths, it is of no wonder.

25 posted on 08/02/2014 10:04:59 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: sagar

You’re hoping against hope, there. Never mind failing to acknowledge that the “information age” has strengthened jihad and will never “de-fang” it any more than it has “de-fanged” neo-Marxism and neo-fascism—all of the above sharing a virulent resurgence of antisemitism, in case you missed the headlines.


26 posted on 08/02/2014 10:11:31 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
The key words here are "American Muslims." Their life expectancy in Persia would be measured in minutes.

5.56mm

27 posted on 08/02/2014 10:19:29 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
American Muslims like Douglas Ibrahim Hooper, you mean? Or John Allen Muhammad?
28 posted on 08/02/2014 10:26:52 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: joshua c
I see two paths for the world. Either there is a reform movement in Islam or at some time in the future an Islamic caliphate will drag us into WWIII.

There can be no "reform Islam". Mohammed was the last prophet.

They get violent when you try to undue Mohammed's law. Imam will tell you that.

29 posted on 08/02/2014 10:40:08 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
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To: Olog-hai
If this is a fairly common viewpoint among US Muzzies look for a movement among US Iz Lame Ick folks that's killing fellow Muzzies for being heretics and betraying the faith followed by bragging about it to the media in order to maximize the intimidation value.

Wherever Iz Lame is "tainted" by anything else, Cultures of the Indian subcontinent, Chinese culture, Christendom, Western Secularism, anything, people start being slaughtered by the "faithful".

That's the history of Iz Lame and that's the way it'll always be until Christ returns.

Nasser and the Egyptian military all knew that because they knew just how often small groups of Muzzies went on minor rampages in various parts of Egypt even while the Brits were in charge.

It's no accident that Nasser threw the Muslim Brotherhood out and Assad nearly destroyed what's left of them but when His Majesty King Barry (steeped in "anti-colonialism" by his idiot papa in residence) comes along Barry is chomping at the bit to put the MB back in power in those two countries.

For Barry and other faithful Muzzies, or um, "anti-colonalists", Egypt and Syria are open insults to Iz Lame as was Libya. They have to be destroyed as they now exist because they retained a great many Western ways and haven't collapsed as a result. Anything that was once Iz Lame ground should always be Iz Lame ground and that means true, not watered down, Iz Lame to such folks.

The Assad and Nasser weren't power maddened by Western culture as Iz Lame and liberal American sophistry claim, they wanted to live the way modern advances in public health and science would allow them to live, not according to the daily life rules from centuries ago. But, the US "cultural specialists" have always been so open minded that their brains eventually fall out and they soak up what closet Islamofascists like Barry's dad pass of as a form of "culturally appropriate enlightened socialism".

Such folks point to socialist concessions to reality people like Nasser and Assad made to keep the masses from revolting over their straying too far from Iz Lame commanding that the leaders take care of the tribe as "proof" of their theory that only socialism work in the Iz Lame Ick world. When you follow the money, though, there's always Capitalist reality as the core of the regime even if it's limited to the "nobility" the same way Barry sees crony capitalism as good and all other capitalism as bad.

But, I digress. We'll know how common this view is among US Muzzies by whether or not a lot more than the occasional beheading of a wife or daughter starts happening in the US. Real, "kill the heretics who abandoned true Iz Lame" blood and guts, not the timid murder of their own family members.

JMHO

30 posted on 08/02/2014 10:55:21 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: joshua c

It won’t take a Khalif. We are at war with Islam, or rather, Islam is at war with us. Islam has been at war with the rest of the world for 1400 years and the numbers show that Islam is winning this war, slowly, slowly, but winning nevertheless.


31 posted on 08/02/2014 11:15:11 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: arthurus

Numbers from where?


32 posted on 08/02/2014 12:12:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The Muslim-in-Chief seems to have swayed their thinking.


33 posted on 08/02/2014 2:14:16 PM PDT by madprof98
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34 posted on 08/02/2014 2:14:48 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: joshua c

Reform groups don’t promote sodomy.


35 posted on 08/02/2014 6:16:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah Fubar.)
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To: cloudmountain
Thwere's a difference between God's ordaining will and God;s permissive will.

His ordaining will produces nothing but Good.

The paradox is that free will in his rational creatures is a Good, but can be used for evil. The evil is something God permits, because of the greater good: free men, even flawed, are better than flawless robots.

God's permissive will is exercised because he can bring about good way, way beyond the evil that men and demons intend. In the end this will be manifested: "you meant it for evil, but God meant it for good." (Gen. 50:20)

36 posted on 08/02/2014 6:23:27 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Praise God from Whom all blessings flow, / Praise Him all people here below.)
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To: arthurus
Amount of territory. Number of converts vs number of apostates. Diminution of Christian populations, etc. Onlỳ in Africa is the West i.e. Christianity breaking even in number of converts while the paynim are gaining territory. Territory gained is territory that is slowly or quickly emptied of Christians and other kafirs.
37 posted on 08/02/2014 8:34:55 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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