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Vatican Urges Priests To Clamp Down On Excessive Emotions During The Sign of Peace
Washington Post ^ | August 1, 2014 | Josephine Mckenna

Posted on 08/02/2014 10:31:19 AM PDT by Steelfish

Vatican Urges Priests To Clamp Down On Excessive Emotions During The Sign of Peace

By Josephine Mckenna | August 1 VATICAN CITY — In an effort to insure a more sober ritual, the Vatican has urged bishops to clamp down on singing, moving around and other casual expressions of affection when the sign of peace is exchanged during Mass.

The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments led by Spanish Cardinal Antonio Canizares Llovera, has sent a letter to bishops around the world expressing concern about what it considers to be ritual abuses.

Among them, he said, were turning the sign of peace into a “song of peace,” the priest leaving the altar during the interlude, or use of the ritual to offer congratulations at weddings or condolences at funerals.

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This is a good development. The Catholic Mass since the time of the Apostles is unique. We must Catholics must pull back from the vacuous Protestant practice where "services" are reduced to a form of entertainment, a kind of clubhouse "Joel Osteen" atmosphere.
1 posted on 08/02/2014 10:31:19 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Now if they would only issue a statement that contrary to the assertions of Nancy Pelosi, abortion is not sacred to the Roman Catholic Church.


2 posted on 08/02/2014 10:33:59 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Steelfish

What do they want, the Muslim sign of peace....chop off your neighbors hand or ear or even his head?


3 posted on 08/02/2014 10:41:31 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Steelfish

The article didn’t appear to mention other “abuses” that some have pointed out, such as high-fives, fist-bumps, and other now-common but non-conventional greetings ... Also, with the celebrant & congregants roaming the aisles as it were, it’s felt that the focus is being removed from the consecrated Christ on the altar.

As to the claim that hand-shaking or simply acknowledging your neighbor is going to result in rampant spreading of disease, you’ll probably get as many germs just from handling things around the pews at the service…


4 posted on 08/02/2014 10:53:48 AM PDT by mikrofon (Catholic BUMP)
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To: Steelfish

I agree wholeheartedly. Which is one reason I’d like to have at least the option of a Latin Mass every week.


5 posted on 08/02/2014 10:54:48 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Steelfish

I agree, but it’s being taken two ways: either rein it in, or go on with what you’re doing, because the Vatican is so indirect and “sensitive” that it now no longer gives clear guidance.

However, that said, I hate the “Grip and Grin,” and I wish they had at least moved it to the Offertory, which was the suggestion they rejected. There’s usually some goofy woman who will come swimming up to you, clutch your hand moistly, and try to stare deep into your eyes...ick.

I’d like to get rid of the whole thing - it is optional, btw - but if they have to have it, it would have been much better if they’d accepted the suggestion of moving it to the Offertory.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 11:07:02 AM PDT by livius
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It would help if the Church explained to the members the ritual significance of The Peace of the Lord in preparation for the Eucharist. It is not meant to be merely a casual social minute. Then again, maybe some priests need to find out as well.
7 posted on 08/02/2014 11:08:24 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Steelfish

Yes, stop this heartfelt nonsense. Keep it phony.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 11:32:11 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Dr. Thorne
There is a time for solemnity. Every minute is not meant to be a slaphappy joke-fest to entertain the simple-minded.

A pity you can't seem to grasp that.

9 posted on 08/02/2014 11:59:24 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Steelfish

They don’t show any “peace sign” at daily Mass on EWTN.


10 posted on 08/02/2014 12:21:01 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Steelfish

**Among them, he said, were turning the sign of peace into a “song of peace,” the priest leaving the altar during the interlude, or use of the ritual to offer congratulations at weddings or condolences at funerals.**

Wish peace to one or two people only. They are stand-ins for someone you really do need to make peace with.


11 posted on 08/02/2014 12:33:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MichaelCorleone

it never hurts to sit by yourself either — especially at daily Mass.


12 posted on 08/02/2014 12:34:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: hinckley buzzard

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3188164/posts?page=11#11

The real meaning for us.

And we must remember that the “Peace be with you.” was spoken to the apostles and disciples who were hidden away after his death.


13 posted on 08/02/2014 12:37:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Funny you mention that. I do attend daily Mass (when I can) and I find the experience more meaningful because I can sit alone.

On Sunday or Holy Days of Obligation it's virtually impossible to not only sit alone (for one thing I have the family with me), but most times there are infants crying or people fidgeting around, causing a distraction. Also, it the times we so sit away from others, most times the late comers ten to sit pretty close for some reason.

I do notice, however, that there is almost always near silence when the Priest is breaking the Bread to prepare for Holy Communion. Interesting. You may have noticed the same.

14 posted on 08/02/2014 12:46:17 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Salvation

This is supposed to say:

Also, at the times we do sit away from others, most times the late comers tend to sit pretty close for some reason

Sorry for the typo’s.


15 posted on 08/02/2014 12:51:57 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Salvation

I always liked daily Mass - no sermon and very few people around to annoy me. And if you’re lucky enough to be in an old church, you have the beneficial effects of beauty, quiet and lovely meditation.


16 posted on 08/02/2014 1:25:26 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: MichaelCorleone

People do that at movies, as well. Herding instinct, I guess.


17 posted on 08/02/2014 1:26:08 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

We have a short sermon and a new church, but the setting doesn’t really matter, unless the building was falling down like in our previous church.


18 posted on 08/02/2014 5:53:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MichaelCorleone

I remember those days with five children. We sat right in front of the cry room so we could retreat quickly with a child when they were misbehaving.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 5:55:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Well, setting is very important to me. I do seek out very old dark churches with red stained glass windows and the heavy velvet on the drapes of the confessional. I imagine this is very generational. I was in school prior to Vatican 2 in a very urban environment; most of the churches were built by Italian-Americans!


20 posted on 08/02/2014 5:58:20 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Don Corleone

What does who want?


21 posted on 08/02/2014 6:11:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Praise God from Whom all blessings flow, / Praise Him all people here below.)
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To: Steelfish
Why don't they just abolish it? It was a bad idea to start with, and hasn't improved any. At daily Mass I try to sit as far away from anyone else as possible. I may have to wave at them, but I don't want the flurry of hand-grabbing that goes on at Sunday Mass.
22 posted on 08/02/2014 7:02:36 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Agree. I simply fold my hands.


23 posted on 08/02/2014 8:32:12 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
This is a good development. The Catholic Mass since the time of the Apostles is unique. We must Catholics must pull back from the vacuous Protestant practice where "services" are reduced to a form of entertainment, a kind of clubhouse "Joel Osteen" atmosphere.

2 Samuel has some interesting takes on such "displays"
14 Wearing a linen ephod, David was dancing before the Lord with all his might, 15 while he and all Israel were bringing up the ark of the Lord with shouts and the sound of trumpets.
20 When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!”
21 David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22 I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”
23 And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

Trying to maintain personal decorum when worshiping the Lord is a fools errand and diminishes the value of the worship. Not all can allow themselves to let awe of God to take them to special places of worship - no sense in curbing those who do.

24 posted on 08/03/2014 1:51:13 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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I am suspicious of the citations to fragmentary pieces of Scripture. Scripture must be taken as as a whole with tradition, ritual, and revelation. While the inculturation of local customs and practices into liturgical worship is understandable, the central point of the Catholic Mass, is the Eucharist. The very presence of Christ- body, blood, soul, and Divinity. No Eucharist, no Church. Hence reverence and decorum are indispensable to worship. This is not a form of “Joel Osteen” entertainment.


25 posted on 08/03/2014 9:06:01 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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I am suspicious of the citations to fragmentary pieces of Scripture. Scripture must be taken as as a whole with tradition, ritual, and revelation. While the inculturation of local customs and practices into liturgical worship is understandable, the central point of the Catholic Mass, is the Eucharist. The very presence of Christ- body, blood, soul, and Divinity. No Eucharist, no Church. Hence reverence and decorum are indispensable to worship. This is not a form of “Joel Osteen” entertainment.

I have to admit I'm a bit surprised. Many here won't hesitate to quote the Old Covenant. I guess when David asserted that he would worship God with all he had, even if it was perceived as undignified by those who watched, he was just getting in touch with his inner clown. Perhaps you should go and read the whole bit to keep it from appearing to be a "fragmentary piece of Scripture. On the other hand, Jesus did berate the Pharisees for trying to appear to be way too pious for "show and decorum".

If you feel the Holy Spirit moving you to worship, I say you should follow where it leads you. One must assume that, being the most loving Father imaginable, God wants us to rejoice in body and soul when we honor Him. Those who think different either miss the message of His Grace, or take themselves way too seriously.

Just my opinion - not a Theologian, but I have been through Scripture - both in-whole and in fragments (like those who have some favorite pieces of Scripture to keep them company while walking past the graveyard of Satan's domain we live in.). I've been known to toss out the occasional "AMEN!" and to raise my hands in praise and worship myself - my early Catholic upbringing made me feel self conscious at first, but I got over it. Won't be rolling in the aisles or speaking in tongues, but I find an unabashed (ala David) rejoicing during worship to be refreshing and uplifting.

26 posted on 08/03/2014 10:14:03 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

Context matters. The Mass is a re-enactment of the Last Supper. The eve of His death and Crucifixion. There is nothing to suggest backslapping festivity in commemorating this Divine sacrifice.


27 posted on 08/03/2014 10:23:18 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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