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Pope Francis And Ecumenicide
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Posted on 08/02/2014 12:23:09 PM PDT by ebb tide

Ecumenicide - any dialogue between Catholics and those of other faiths in which Catholics participate without the express purpose of converting those of other faiths to the Roman Catholic Church, that is, the One True Church.

I cannot claim credit for coining that term. I saw that on the facebook wall of Pat Archibald, one of the bloggers of Creative Minority Report. It is a brilliant term and it is an accurate description of what politically correct Catholics do when they "dialog" with no intent of bringing others home to Rome.

Here is a curious and telling post from Rorate Caeli. CMR commented on it too. It seems that some Italian Pentecostals and Evangelicals held a round-table discussion on July 19th as they discussed "contemporary Catholicism". In their statement, they list key differences between them and us; I urge you to read it. While they obviously fail to accept that the errors behind the differences lie squarely on their shoulders, at least they acknowledge the significance of the differences and that these differences render impossible any real "ecumenical opening" with the Church. On that score they understand that error needs to be addressed first before any talk of unity can occur, for unity must be based on the whole truth.

This past Monday the Pope went to Caserta and visited several Italian Pentecostals. He made the statement that "the Holy Spirit is the source of diversity in the Church. This diversity is very rich and beautiful. But then the same Holy Spirit creates unity. And in this way the Church is one in diversity. To use a beautiful Gospel phrase that I love very much, reconciled diversity is the gift of the Holy Spirit." Forgive me, but who can make sense out of this glop? We're talking about breaks in the Body of Christ, breaks occurring due to heresy and dissidence from the One True Church. That is not "rich and beautiful". And as far as that "gospel phrase" goes, can anyone cite chapter-and-verse the phrase "reconciled diversity"? I've read through the Bible several times and have never come across that one.

Here are some more relevant details. Apparently the local bishop of Caserta was never advised of the pope's visit to his diocese. The Holy Father also scheduled his visit on the Feast of St Anne, a saint held in high honor in that town. Why would it have taken much persuasion to convince the Holy Father to celebrate a Mass in honor of the grandmother of Our Lord? Considering both these facts, we see here on the part of the pope an apparent downplaying of the Catholic church in that town.

Most distressing, especially from the Chief Shepherd of the Church, is this statement: "I’m not interested in converting Evangelicals to Catholicism. There are so many doctrines we will never agree on. Let’s be about showing the love of Jesus.” If he, the Successor of Peter is not interested in conversions to Catholicism, he is not showing any "love of Jesus", but rather a feel-good, shallow counterfeit of the same. Our Lord's commission to his Apostles was to baptize the nations and to "teach them all that I have commanded you". He does them, and all the world, a gross disservice to dismiss Catholic truth as "doctrines we'll never agree on". One of the Spiritual Works of Mercy is to "instruct the ignorant". Did that happen? All indications point to "no".

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is ECUMENICIDE.


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1 posted on 08/02/2014 12:23:09 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Catholics are going to have a very hard time “converting” those who have received the Holy Spirit as they are unlikely to engage in the bizarre pagan practices inherent in Catholicism.


2 posted on 08/02/2014 12:30:44 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: metmom; Alex Murphy

“the Holy Spirit is the source of diversity in the Church. This diversity is very rich and beautiful. But then the same Holy Spirit creates unity. And in this way the Church is one in diversity. To use a beautiful Gospel phrase that I love very much, reconciled diversity is the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

Frank said that????
Next thing you know Protestants will be welcomed at Catholic Communion!


3 posted on 08/02/2014 12:34:50 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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To: Dr. Thorne

No worries, Doc. If the good Catholics could convert the blood-thirsty Aztecs, they can convert anyone.


4 posted on 08/02/2014 12:37:13 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Gamecock
Next thing you know Protestants will be welcomed at Catholic Communion!

Don't laugh:

Anglicans could receive Roman Catholic communion, Archbishop suggests

5 posted on 08/02/2014 12:44:33 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I can not believe they are wanting converting to being Catholic instead of being followers of Christ. They are very odd. No where in the Bible does it say accept the pope to get to heaven. Leading people astray.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 1:07:30 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: ebb tide
Ecumenicide - any dialogue between Catholics and those of other faiths in which Catholics participate without the express purpose of converting those of other faiths to the Roman Catholic Church, that is, the One True Church.

Well, so much for live and let live.

7 posted on 08/02/2014 1:43:11 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: MamaB
No where in the Bible does it say accept the pope to get to heaven. Leading people astray.

And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18

8 posted on 08/02/2014 1:45:22 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
If the good Catholics could convert the blood-thirsty Aztecs, they can convert anyone.

True, they made Mexico about 99% Catholic and everything south of the American border Catholic, and even required by law in many of the nations there.

In fact the biggest Catholic nations in the world are just south of the united States.

9 posted on 08/02/2014 1:56:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Dr. Thorne; x_plus_one; Patton@Bastogne; Oldeconomybuyer; RightField; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; ...

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Pope Francis And Ecumenicide, Dr. Thorne wrote:

Catholics are going to have a very hard time “converting” those who have received the Holy Spirit as they are unlikely to engage in the bizarre pagan practices inherent in Catholicism.


10 posted on 08/02/2014 1:58:36 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: ebb tide

...the ebb and tide of CONSTANT criticism...


11 posted on 08/02/2014 2:00:08 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: MamaB

Catholics follow Christ and the Bible. Probably a lot more closely that most non-Catholics.

John_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


12 posted on 08/02/2014 2:07:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SumProVita

Criticism?

Have you seen Francis’ Little Book of Insults?
“Old maid!”

“Specialist of the Logos!”

“Rosary counter!”

“Functionary!”

“Self-absorbed, Promethean neo-Pelagian!”

“Restorationist!”

“Ideological Christians!”

“Pelagian!”

“Mr and Mrs Whiner!”

“Triumphalist!”

“Rigid Christians!”

“Modern gnostics!”

“Liquid Christian!”

“Superficial Christians!”

“Slaves of superficiality!”

“Museum mummy!”

“Renaissance prince!”

“Airport Bishop!”

“Leprous courtier!”

“Idealogue!”

“Long-faced, mournful funeral Christian!”

“Gnostic!”

“Careerist Bishop!”

“Sourpuss!”

“Authoritarian!”

“Elitist!”

“Querulous and disillusioned pessimist!”

“Sad Christian!”

“Pickled pepper-faced Christian!”

“Children! Afraid to dance! To cry! Afraid of everything!”

“Asker for certainty in all things!”

“Christians allergic to preaching!”

“Closed, sad, trapped Christian who is not a free Christian!”

“Pagan Christian!”

“Little monster!”

“Defeated Christian!”

“Creed-reciting, parrot Christian!”

“Watered-down faith, weak-hoped Christian!”

“Inquisitorial beater!”

“Seminarians who grit their teeth and wait to finish,
follow rules and smile [who] reveal the hypocrisy of clericalism - one of the worst evils!”

“Abstract ideologue!”

“Fundamentalist!”

“Smarmy, idolator priest!”

“Worshiper of the god Narcissus!”

“Vain, butterfly-priest!”

“Priest-wheeler dealer!”

“Priest-tycoon!”

“Religious who have a heart as sour as vinegar!”

“Promoter of the poison of immanence!”

“Those closed in the formality of a prayer that is cold, stingy [who]
might end up as Michal, in the sterility of her formality.”

“Older people nostalgic for structures and customs which are no longer life-giving in today’s world!”

“Young people addicted to fashion!”

“Pastry-Shop Christians!”

“Luscious cakes, sweet dainties. Delectable, but not real Christians!”

“Existential tourist!”

Anesthetised Christian!

“Christian hypocrites only interested in their formalities!”

“They disguise themselves, they disguise themselves as good people: they make themselves up like little holy cards, looking up at heaven as they pray, making sure they are seen—they believe they are more righteous than others, they despise others!”

‘Mah,’ they say, “I’m very Catholic, because my uncle was a great benefactor, my family is this, I’m that… I’ve learned... I know this bishop, this Cardinal, this priest... I am this or that...’ They think they are better than others. This is hypocrisy!”

“Sloth-diseased, acedic Christians!”

“I think of many Christians, of many Catholics: yes, they are Catholics, but without enthusiasm, even embittered!”

“They are people without light – real downers!”

“And how many Christians are like this?” he asked, “selfish, out for themselves.”

“Christians who do not leave space for the grace of God – and the Christian life, the life of these people, consists in having all the paperwork, all the certificates, in order!”

“The theologian satisfied that his thought is complete and conclusive is mediocre.”

“The theologian who does not pray and does not adore God ends up drowning in
the most disgusting narcissism.”

“This is an ecclesiastical sickness.
The narcissism of theologians and thinkers does such harm; it’s disgusting.”

“Your institutions are not machines for producing theologians and philosophers.”

“There are Christian bats who prefer the shadows to the light of the presence of the Lord!”

“Starched Christians, too polite, who speak of theology calmly over tea!”

We have heard of so many good Catholics, good Christians, friends and benefactors of the Church that – it has been revealed - acted for personal profit. They presented themselves as benefactors of the Church and made money on the side…”

And in the Church there are climbers, people driven by ambition! There are many of them! But if you like climbing go to the mountains and climb them: it is healthier! Do not come to Church to climb!

A simple numerary in this sect!

>>Not one of the above criticisms is directed towards Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Evangelicals or atheisists. They are all directed towards the Pope’s fellow Catholics. I think he is more anti-Catholic than some Protestants are.<<


13 posted on 08/02/2014 2:26:53 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: SumProVita

It’s “ebb and flow”.

Stop making things up.


14 posted on 08/02/2014 2:29:27 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Nah...all I see is your constant parade of negativity and criticism as I read through the headlines. I honestly feel some compassion for you ...as that must be a horrendous weight to carry around. It reminds me a little of this movie scene(except that the guy carrying this weight had confessed and made reparation):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoJKszzC7L0

(...and he was eventually healed.)


15 posted on 08/02/2014 2:36:23 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

Aw....c’mon...just a little play on words. ;-)


16 posted on 08/02/2014 2:39:12 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: ebb tide

Wow...that weight is much larger than I realized. ;-o


17 posted on 08/02/2014 2:41:54 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

I omitted his more vulgar criticisms.


18 posted on 08/02/2014 2:42:49 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

There’s always hope, ebb tide. There is ALWAYS hope.

;-)


19 posted on 08/02/2014 2:46:42 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: Dr. Thorne

There are those who hate what they think Catholicism is, and there are those who know what Catholicism is but continue to spit and hiss and lie because living a lie is easier than admitting that they have been wrong.


20 posted on 08/02/2014 2:53:32 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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