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In 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger admitted Russia has not been consecrated
Summorum Pontificum blog ^ | 8/8/14

Posted on 08/07/2014 9:10:35 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Friday, August 8, 2014

In 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger admitted Russia has not been consecrated

By Brian Kopp


Despite all the claims to the contrary, Russia has not been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as requested at Fatima. Cardinal Ratzinger himself admitted this at the press conference in the year 2000 at the Vatican when the "Third Secret" was "revealed."

Here's the video in which Chris Ferrara reads Cardinal Ratzinger's own words regarding the consecration, from the transcript of that news conference, beginning at 48:50 but especially right at 50:00 minutes into the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxgDQZCrhLg


Regarding a question about Fr. Gruner, Cardinal Ratzinger answers the reporter:


"I think that he should conform himself to the magisterium of the Church, recognizing that the Consecration of Russia is done according to the will of the Madonna, and that he should leave it to the Magisterium of the Church to find the right moment."

He was saying in the year 2000 that the Magisterium had not yet found the right moment, that the Consecration of Russia has not yet been done.

Cardinal Ratzinger goes on (in the transcript):

"He could make this proposal [i.e., the Consecration of Russia] but he should also be capable of being sufficiently generous to accept that the Magisterium has her reasons to not do it immediately, but to wait a little, and above all for the maturation of the process [of canonization] of the three shepherds."​




TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: fatima
This may not mean much to many outside the Catholic Church, or for that matter to many within the Catholic Church, but for any committed Catholic paying close attention to Russia, it will have very deep meaning.
1 posted on 08/07/2014 9:10:35 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Probably the most important thing posted here today, if not this week.


2 posted on 08/07/2014 9:13:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
** process [of canonization] of the three shepherds."​** Hmmm
3 posted on 08/07/2014 9:17:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Expect chastisement.


4 posted on 08/07/2014 9:20:16 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I searched, and have not found this information posted anywhere on the Internet. For Catholics, it has immense importance.


5 posted on 08/07/2014 9:20:57 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: steve86

Any moment now...


6 posted on 08/07/2014 9:23:34 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Not just RC. Fatima was a human event and is still causing repercussions. Even the “Ancient Alien” type people know of it and study it, much less religious of all kinds. Do you think the great Spanish Flu epidemic (the worst in the history of mankind, as far as we know) is somehow connected? Many do.


7 posted on 08/07/2014 9:25:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Wednesday, July 14, 2010

Fatima and the 2009 H1N1 Flu Pandemic

Fatima and the 2009 H1N1 Flu Pandemic

In the fall of 1918, two young Portuguese shepherds contracted a virulent form of swine flu during a global pandemic that took the lives of 50 to 100 million. Francisco Marto barely survived the flu and died of complications, most likely a secondary bacterial infection, in April 1919. His sister Jacinta subsequently developed tuberculosis and died in February of 1920. With their cousin Lucia dos Santos, they are better known today for having witnessed the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima.

Francisco and Jacinta likely would have survived the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic if modern antibiotics had been available. Science has subsequently assembled an impressive database for virology and immunology as well as more effective vaccines, antiviral medications and intensive care interventions for flu complications. Despite these advances there are increasing deaths, especially among pregnant women, the young and the healthy due to the current swine H1N1 pandemic, which has striking similarities to the Influenza A (H1N1) virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic. Both are noted for precipitating “cytokine storm,” an overreaction of the immune system that floods the lungs and can lead to multi-organ failure and death. Unlike 1918, the feared second wave during September of 2009 failed to produce a massive surge in fatalities. Complicating the debate, the scientific world is split on the implications of recent minor genetic changes in the virus and the best available options for prevention and treatment in the face of a possible third wave later this winter.

A good illustration of the dissension within the scientific community can be seen in the work of David Fedson, MD. Specializing in the epidemiology of influenza and vaccination, Fedson served as Director of Medical Affairs for Aventis Pasteur MSD and was a member of numerous US and World Health Organization (WHO) committees on influenza immunization. Having worked extensively within the field, he continues to believe that safe effective vaccines are the gold standard in preventing deaths from pandemic flu, but also grasps the inherent shortcomings of our reliance on flu vaccines and antiviral medications such as Tamiflu. A December study in the British Medical Journal has drawn into question the general effectiveness of Tamiflu, and due to a minor genetic mutation (known as H274Y) seasonal H1N1 flu is now 99% resistant to Tamiflu. There have been increasing reports of the H274Y mutation in 2009 swine H1N1 samples. Viral genetic drift, which helps a virus evade a host’s immune response, can also render pandemic vaccines ineffective, and global pandemic vaccine production capacity is only sufficient to immunize approximately a billion people, less than 1 in 7 of the world’s population. Fedson is an ardent promoter of adjuvants as an essential antigen sparing method to stretch limited supplies to vaccinate as many as four times as many individuals.

An interview with Fedson exploring these issues was published in July in L'Osservatore Romano as part of their coverage of the G8 Summit meeting. For over five years Fedson has been campaigning for research on the use of currently available generic medications to help control the “cytokine storm” precipitated by novel influenza strains. Targeted drugs include statins and fibrates (currently used for lowering cholesterol and triglycerides), glitizones (used in managing diabetes) and Resveratrol (a chemical in red wines and peanuts thought to be responsible for lowering rates of heart disease). Until recently, his pleas fell on deaf ears at the CDC, WHO, The Gates Foundation, and other major philanthropic organizations. Headlines this fall finally vindicated his efforts. Research funded by the CDC indicated that among people hospitalized with seasonal influenza, those taking statins were 50% less likely to die.

Susan Chu, MD was a cosigner of Fedson’s seminal 2006 letter to The Times (UK) urging research on this issue. An editor of the popular newfluwiki2.com website, Chu parts company with Fedson when it comes to the use of adjuvants in flu vaccines. Chu has posted a series of essays at newfluwiki2.com about the possibility of adjuvants causing autoimmune disease and spontaneous miscarriages. The medical literature and vaccine manufacturers simply have not provided adequate documentation to allay Chu’s concerns, though Fedson maintains that, with 40 million adjuvanted vaccines administered so far in Europe, such complications would already have been widely reported. Adjuvant promoters also point to a possible additional benefit, the potential of cross protection via broader immunity to pandemic viruses that displays genetic drift away from the original vaccine target. Recent minor genetic mutations (known as D225G) that have been noted in samples from the Ukraine and Norway were also seen in the 1918 and H5N1 influenza strains. These mutations are associated with infections that strike deeper in the lungs, causing widespread damage to alveolar cells and triggering cytokine storm, increasing virulence and death rates. One Ukraine specimen with this minor genetic mutation was characterized as a low reactor, indicating that current vaccines might not be as effective against strains with this mutation.

An additional concern is an immunological concept called, ironically, Original Antigenic Sin (OAS). According to the OAS theory the immune system will create a robust immune response to a novel virus, but if the individual is subsequently infected with a strain of virus closely related to the first strain, the body reacts as if it were being reinfected with the original strain, failing to confront the mutated virus. This could have implications for the minor genetic variations noted between waves of any given pandemic flu. Individuals infected with the spring 1918 pandemic wave had at least partial immunity to the fall 1918 wave, but little or none to the Winter 1918/1919 wave. Fortunately, the 2009 H1N1 Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine (LAIV) nasal spray appears to have included the D225G variant. The injectable inactivated vaccines do not, and no one in the medical community can foretell the significance of this at present.

The evolutionary explanations for these mutations are being hotly debated among the scientific community and point to one of the greatest controversies among virologists. The current genetic theories of random mutation and viral reassortment, representing the reigning orthodoxy at the CDC and WHO, simply cannot explain the appearance of some of these mutations among widespread samples and differing genetic backgrounds. Henry Niman, PhD, is the leading proponent of a relatively new theory of homologous recombination to explain and predict such mutations, and his company, Recombinomics, hopes to cash in on the ability to predict such changes to better guide vaccine production. By shear tenacity he has managed to drive the online flu community towards his point of view, and in the process has precipitated wider access to genetic sequence data online. His signature comments, “Release of sequences would be useful” and “[the genetic mutation du jour] is cause for concern” have become both a thorn in the side of mainstream science as well as a rallying cry among the online flu community seeking transparency from government labs and influenza researchers.

The scientific establishment points to a lack of peer reviewed publications supporting Niman’s theory of recombination, but the recent ClimateGate controversy has illustrated the tyranny and political correctness of the peer review process. As in the global warming debate, the mainstream position isn’t holding up to scrutiny. Tamiflu resistance is becoming too widespread to continue to claim it is randomly popping up in multiple patients simultaneously, or that resistance to Tamilflu makes the virus less able to spread. In France, one fatal case contained both D225G and Tamiflu resistance mutations. According to Niman, low reactors to current vaccines due to the virulent D225G mutation along with increasing prevalence of Tamiflu resistance could create the perfect storm for a deadly third or fourth pandemic wave later in 2010.

Fortunately, some common concerns expressed since early in the pandemic cycle have been settled. Current pandemic vaccines do not utilize any technologies that are intrinsically objectionable from a pro-life perspective, and there never was any validity to claims that current pandemic vaccines might be used for population control purposes. Brian Clowes, PhD, is director of research at Human Life International, and exposed the use of abortifacient hCG hormone-linked Tetanus vaccines in third world countries in the early 1990's. When asked if current pandemic vaccines might be used for population control purposes, he stated that although sterilization vaccines are still being researched, they are only used by western nations against the third world countries targeted in the 1974 National Security Study Memorandum 200.

By mid December, at least 200 million doses of pandemic flu vaccine had been administered globally, and the complications that were feared, based on the infamous 1976 Swine Flu vaccine campaign, have simply failed to materialize. Though Guillain–Barré syndrome has not become an issue in the current vaccine campaign, there have been some credible reports of increased allergic reactions and anecdotal reports of miscarriages associated with adjuvanted vaccines. The non-adjuvanted pandemic vaccines have displayed a safety level similar to seasonal flu vaccines, but it is still too early to tell whether current vaccines will actually prevent deadly infections during subsequent waves of influenza.

Most of the hysterical claims regarding the current pandemic have originated among promoters of alternative medicine, who insist that herbs, vitamins and other natural remedies can prevent and cure influenza. While proclaiming that the pandemic declaration itself is a hoax or conspiracy, they’ll be happy to sell supplements to the credulous, and adjust their flow of energy for optimum immune response. A central theme of the new age Gnostic alternative health field is the notion that the human body should be symptom and disease free, simply as a result of living a "healthy" lifestyle, and therefore able to overcome any illness. Unfortunately, this concept implicitly denies that disease entered human history as a result of Original Sin and continues due to personal sin. Gluttony and sloth aren’t bad lifestyle choices because they disturb karma or displease Gaia, they are cardinal sins that have temporal consequences. Obesity, diabetes and heart disease are the highest risk factors in the current pandemic.

Mainstream medicine has been neutered in its ability to address modern lifestyle choices, be they nutritional, behavioral, or sexual, because the “scientism” that animates modern medicine is non-judgmental. This “scientism” promised a utopia of health, happiness, and freedom from disease, and eventually the answers to all human questions and problems, but also forbids the intrusion of traditional morality into modern mainstream medicine.

December’s headlines, “H1N1 Pandemic a Dud,” may be true. Or the mounting viral mutations could cause a brutal third wave later this winter. Regardless, it is apparent that scientism has failed to deliver on its grand promises, at least in this current pandemic. The new age Gnosticism inherent in the alternative medicine industry is blind to the reality that human suffering comes from The Fall, the answers to which can be found only in the Cross. Disease will not be eliminated by science or by a healthy lifestyle. It will only end in that place where all tears are wiped away.

There are messages for us in the midst of this pandemic, in the message of Our Lady of Fatima. Blessed Francisco and Jacinta, please pray for us, and help us discern.


8 posted on 08/07/2014 9:28:18 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

“No groveling! I hate groveling.” ...... G_d


9 posted on 08/07/2014 9:31:02 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Our Lady of Fatima warned us in 1917 of the terrible changes that were coming to Russia during those times.

I grew up saying the Prayers for Russia at the conclusion of every Mass. The horror of the Soviet Union and its war against Christianity were obvious to even Catholic children at that time.

Before Pope Benedict XVI, there was Pope John Paul II waging war with the USSR, which ended with its defeat. As for the present state of the Russian Orthodox Church & whether or not it is in communion with the greater body of Christianity, I defer to more learned minds.

The current Russian regime of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is no more friend to Christians of this world than that of Josef Vissarionovich Stalin.


10 posted on 08/07/2014 9:31:30 PM PDT by elcid1970 (ass)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

I’m not catholic. What does this mean?


11 posted on 08/07/2014 9:39:37 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
The links I have about the Third Secret.

Original Manuscript of Fatima's 'Third Secret' Will Soon be Part of an Exhibit
Pope Benedict XVI and the 'Third Secret' of Fatima (surprisingly fair article)
Fatima debate: Some say 'third secret' is still secret
The Third Secret (of Fatima) - Did The Pope Lie?

12 posted on 08/07/2014 9:40:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MNDude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecration_of_Russia


13 posted on 08/07/2014 9:46:45 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: elcid1970

I don't know that it is quite *that* bad, but I do not acept Putin as the religious and "Christian" hero he enjoys portraying himself to be, either

It is as put on 'plastic' as the rebuilt Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow is in many ways (other than just in physical properties of the replica, ornate moldings and trim).

How real is it?

To many in Russia today it is real enough, both the (Russian Orthodox) Church itself, and Putin's alleged turn towards Christian faith (be that what it may).

To others the blending of Church and State leaves them colder to both than they may have been before, and perplexed that what they themselves saw as peaceful & positive be highjacked by the chief enabler of the oligarchs who more or less own Russia today as modern fiefdom distributed among those who are "made men" (sort-of like mafia dons only BIGGER).

In between are the honest souls(?) who prefer Christ to nationalism, even as the original was something of a Russian nationalist shrine as much as a genuine church...?

Layers & layers of onion to the various onion domes in the vicinity of the place, and the domes on it's own spires too.

Peel the layers back, to find yet more sharp & pungent onion...and sometimes a bit of mold?

Where is Jesus in all that?

Is He -->in the minds of many (if that is actually Jesus) and the hearts of some? I don't know how many for sure...at this distance from it I am at, it can be difficult to tell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesaropapism

14 posted on 08/07/2014 10:06:30 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Gamecock; metmom
Despite all the claims to the contrary, Russia has not been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as requested at Fatima. at the press conference in the year 2000 at the Vatican when the "Third Secret" was "revealed."

Well, I don't see how this can end well. As Catholics are fond of telling us, "Jesus doesn't like it when you diss His mother."

15 posted on 08/07/2014 10:30:18 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

It happens that the Church has declared that Fatima is worthy of belief.

But we are not required to believe in it.

It is not a dogma without which it is not possible to be saved.


16 posted on 08/07/2014 11:39:44 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: elcid1970

I wonder why it still hasn’t been done.


17 posted on 08/07/2014 11:40:12 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

1. Whosoever shall faithfully SERVE me( Mary) by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces

Luke 4:8
8 And Yahshua answered and said unto him, “Get thee behind Me, Satan! For it is written: ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him ONLY shall hou SERVE’”

With this spirit’s first promise she gives for praying the rosary, she is shown to be a liar.
On the very witness of His Son’s Word which He, the living Oracles, quoted from His written Oracles.

Lies never point to the Truth... ever..

Flee and reject this greco roman latin lie and turn back to the Elohim of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and His only beloved Son,The Messiah of Israel.


18 posted on 08/07/2014 11:52:46 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

What does this nonsense have to do with Christianity? hmmm


19 posted on 08/08/2014 1:43:09 AM PDT by Long Jon No Silver
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To: BlueDragon

Plus there is a claim that in the Middle East, the Christians who are right now are suffering under a growing Islamofacist threat it is supposed that the Russian Orthodox Church is protecting them from what I have heard.


20 posted on 08/08/2014 3:20:01 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: delchiante

I thought that passage of scripture was ONLY found in Mathew’s Gospel, just wondering or correcting.


21 posted on 08/08/2014 3:21:21 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Long Jon No Silver

Nothing. What really gives me the giggles is the comparison of Putin to Stalin while their infallible voodoo doctor is a straight up commie.


22 posted on 08/08/2014 3:24:51 AM PDT by cizinec ( For the Republic!)
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To: Biggirl
I think that has less to do with religion and more to do with geopolitics. In Syria, we trained, armed and provided support for ISIS. The Russians supported Assad, an Alawite who generally protected religious minorities, including Christians, from the Sunnis.
23 posted on 08/08/2014 3:33:30 AM PDT by cizinec ( For the Republic!)
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To: cizinec

Thanks for the info!


24 posted on 08/08/2014 3:35:43 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Long Jon No Silver

One of the prayers of Fatima:

“Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of Hell. Lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy Mercy”.

It has a great deal to do with Christianity. It’s the Gospel message-”Unless you repent, you shall perish”. Doesn’t get more basic than that, and there many non Catholic Christians who respect Fatima, even if they don’t believe it or understand it fully.


25 posted on 08/08/2014 8:15:06 AM PDT by Bridesheadfan
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To: Biggirl

In KJV and Geneva Bible, each show it in Luke 4:8 too.

But do one of those bible verse searches with the major translations and they are all over the map with wording in part- but they all have the concept of ‘only’ that was added by Messiah (compared to the verse in Deuteronomy)

‘Only’ is a rather important word that Messiah uses that makes the test of the spirit easy if one is honestly proving all things... any spirit telling anyone to serve them and not YHWH ‘only’ is lying.

And anybody who has read down far enough in those promises, number 14 is a concern..


26 posted on 08/08/2014 1:10:58 PM PDT by delchiante
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