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Cardinal Schönborn: There Will Be "Signs and Wonders" From the Pope
The Eponymous Flower ^ | August 14, 2014 | Giuseppe Nardi

Posted on 08/15/2014 4:08:49 PM PDT by ebb tide

"Reforms", the magical magic word was actively worked from Vienna's archbishop in this interview. "Changes" and "pace of change" would also be the "hot potatoes" like the approval of remarried divorcees to Communion and the abolition of priestly celibacy, says the Cardinal. With the only restriction of the little word "perhaps". Schönborn, is so certain of the papal reforms that he spoke of "signs and wonders" that will be "done" by Pope Francis.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francis; schnborn

1 posted on 08/15/2014 4:08:49 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

“Signs and Wonders” from the Pope?

Interesting choice of words.

The term “signs and wonders” is already mentioned in the Bible and they are not necessarily a good thing.


2 posted on 08/15/2014 4:14:27 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn
The term “signs and wonders” is already mentioned in the Bible and they are not necessarily a good thing.

True, makes me want to stay at least the width of a continent away from this guy.

3 posted on 08/15/2014 4:16:53 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: ebb tide

God is punishing the West. Obama and Francis are the chosen instruments, chosen by the very self-designated elite who hate God.


4 posted on 08/15/2014 4:18:42 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: rdcbn

“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.”—2 Thess.

As you said, not necessarily a good thing.


5 posted on 08/15/2014 4:37:26 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: avenir

I’m taking it as fair warning, intentional or otherwise


6 posted on 08/15/2014 5:00:07 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: ebb tide

“... abolition of priestly celibacy, ...”

The priests have done that already, but will the Pope allow the priests to marry each other or nuns to wed each other (in states where queer marriage is allowed)?


7 posted on 08/15/2014 5:09:22 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (His Arrogance would love to replace John Kerry-Heinz but all the trained monkeys turned him down.)
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To: ebb tide

It is Cardinal Schonberg I wonder about. All signs point that he should exit the Catholic Church, since he doesn’t follow the Church’s teaching on marriage and most likely more.


8 posted on 08/15/2014 5:20:05 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: Arthur McGowan
God is punishing the West. Obama and Francis are the chosen instruments, chosen by the very self-designated elite who hate God.

You might be interested in the Louis DeBoer article excerpt on "tyranny" that I have on my profile page.

9 posted on 08/15/2014 6:13:38 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: RetiredTexasVet

As Pope Francis would say, “Who am I to judge?”


10 posted on 08/15/2014 6:29:41 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Alex Murphy

Interesting.

I note your comments on the meaning of the words “an establishment of religion.”

99.9999% of the time, these words are said to mean that “the government may not establish a church.”

I have long suspected, in light of the fact that many or most of the states in 1789 had an established church, that Congress may not make any law respecting any of THOSE churches. I.e., Congress is prohibited from DISestablishing any church. Which means that, through the 1920s doctrine of “incorporation,” by which the First Amendment forbids any state from establishing a church, the First Amendment has been stood on its head—in this and many other respects.


11 posted on 08/15/2014 10:57:50 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ebb tide

The Cardinal says it is “frightening” that Western governments are looking “inward” suspicious of their own people. It is frightening. With the continuing decline of morality, countries move closer and closer to dictatorship because their populaces are increasingly untamed by the pursuit of virtue. Our founders knew our founding documents were made only for an upright, moral citizenry. Perverse freedom, license, ironically leads to a new slavery.
As Pope Benedict said and Pope Francis has repeated, “a dictatorship of relativism is being formed”.


12 posted on 08/16/2014 3:36:11 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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As Pope Benedict said and Pope Francis has repeated, “a dictatorship of relativism is being formed”.

Yes! Just look at Pope Francis and his treatment of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate.

And then look at the drunkard Timothy Dolan's treatment of Holy Innocents Church and their now ex-pastor, Rev. Justin Wylie.

13 posted on 08/16/2014 4:53:40 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Could u please give a short description of those two situations


14 posted on 08/16/2014 4:58:32 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/08/12/pope-francis-effect-war-on-conservative-catholics-in-new-york/

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-passion-of-franciscans-of.html


15 posted on 08/16/2014 5:12:11 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Thanx


16 posted on 08/16/2014 5:20:35 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: ebb tide

The charge against the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate was that a cult of personality was forming around their leader. I like the Latin Mass but don’t find it sufficient evidence that Pope Francis is fighting against it because of one incident. Some are taking the election of Francis as a sign to war against tradition(sort of the same way they hijacked Vatican II for their agenda).But I don’t think it’s fair to ascribe their actions to Francis. Dolan disappointed me with his positive statement about the person who came out as gay.


17 posted on 08/18/2014 9:55:22 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: MDLION

All charges against the FFOTI were false. With the leader under house arrest, there was no reason to continue to suppress the offerings of TLMs.

And as far as Dolan, Pope Francis is even more positive about homos.


18 posted on 08/18/2014 6:01:08 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I didn’t care for Francis’ early “Who am I to judge?” comment but his first encyclical “Lumen Fidei” does say marriage is between a man and a woman in section 52.


19 posted on 08/20/2014 11:21:27 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: MDLION

But as an archbishop, he encouraged his fellow Argentinian bishops to not challenge a motion for the state to recognize “homosexual unions” in that country.

His fellow bishops rebuffed him; but the law still passed.


20 posted on 08/20/2014 5:07:39 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

He advised the bishops not to oppose civil unions but to oppose gay marriage. I think he made an error in judgment in that case but as you said, the bishops overruled him. And then Argentina went on to legalize gay marriage.


21 posted on 08/21/2014 9:08:40 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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